Makhtar Gueye

[KentExile]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Was it Mowbray? I dont ever recall it coming from anything public. Wasnt the context that scouts were at our games but had been told either we wouldnt entertain below £10m or thats what he would be in the future?

Either way, whoever said it was way off.

Something along those lines

Edited February 13 by KentExile

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not about specifically saying you are wrong, more not stubbornly sticking by your initial impression. Case in point, RevidgeBlue about Tronstad. But on Gueye, I struggled to even see him getting 5 league goals and I didnt see him performing as he currently is so I was wrong on both.

On the 2 examples you gave, Paul Mani never said he thought Buckley was worth £10m. Assuming someone did, whoever (and where) came out with that, it was clearly ridiculous. But it would be comparable if he did say that and continued to stick by it. Equally, roversclitheroe seemed to take a dislike to Hyam and even in the last couple of weeks implied that he shouldnt be playing for us at this level. So no acknowledgement that he is doing well.

Going back to my point though, if you dont rate a player, or if you do rate a player highly, go to town, dont hold back. As long as if your impression turns out to be wrong, you dont just stick to that opinion. The "dont write players off" rhetoric, I dont agree with. Equally, most of us though Cantwell would be really good for us. Hes been crap. So it works both ways.

You have name dropped a few people since Gueye showed you he has the ability to kick a ball roversfan. That's at least 3. Do you want to drag the crew down with you? 😄

I do agree with football being subjective. Crack on and say what you want. But then be prepared to be told you got it wrong.

There's also a massive difference between commenting on somebodies form and calling them awful footballers - which was what was being said about Gueye

Gueye has all of the traits to be a dominant centre forward and he showed it yesterday. He will go on from strength to strength in this team

Edited February 13 by Dreams of 1995

[Admiral Nelsen]

Absolutely delighted with Gueye's turnaround.

 

I'd like to think I was always in the 'let's wait and see' camp, but I didn't in my wildest dreams expect as good an all round performance as we saw last night. As recently as a month ago I was worried he could end up being a total disaster, so I'm not going to criticise anyone who wrote him off.

 

Funnily enough if we were going to be comparing him to Rovers' horror strikers of yester year, he's sort of the anti-Chris Brown. Brown's ability was extremely limited and we signed him at a time when his body was letting him down, *but* at least he knew the position and could bring others into play.

 

Gueye's ability to bring the ball under control was on show from that first friendly. The main issue is that he looked like he'd never played the game in terms of knowing where to run, how to spot the movement of others, general game awareness. 

 

The development of that side of his game has been massive and means that he's worth his place in the team even when he doesn't offer much of a goal threat. If he can do all that whilst scoring 10+ goals a year, then what a bargain he'll turn out to be.

[Leonard Venkhater]

3 hours ago, philipl said:

The Sky commentary I heard was talking about Gueye as the complete all round centre forward and the expert summariser went into raptures at some of Gueye's close control.

Points made above about him striking the ball powerfully and cleanly are well made. For a while I wondered if he had ever struck a ball cleanly in his life but now, wow!

Got ourselves a 20m+ striker...

 

Our next big sale-August?

[Groundhog]

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

You have name dropped a few people since Gueye showed you he has the ability to kick a ball roversfan. That's at least 3. Do you want to drag the crew down with you? 😄

I do agree with football being subjective. Crack on and say what you want. But then be prepared to be told you got it wrong.

There's also a massive difference between commenting on somebodies form and calling them awful footballers - which was what was being said about Gueye

Gueye has all of the traits to be a dominant centre forward and he showed it yesterday. He will go on from strength to strength in this team

Great technique, control, and spatial awareness for the second goal. Any top striker would have been proud of that one. The scissor volley wasn’t bad either.

Edited February 13 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

Absolutely delighted with Gueye's turnaround.

 

I'd like to think I was always in the 'let's wait and see' camp, but I didn't in my wildest dreams expect as good an all round performance as we saw last night. As recently as a month ago I was worried he could end up being a total disaster, so I'm not going to criticise anyone who wrote him off.

 

Funnily enough if we were going to be comparing him to Rovers' horror strikers of yester year, he's sort of the anti-Chris Brown. Brown's ability was extremely limited and we signed him at a time when his body was letting him down, *but* at least he knew the position and could bring others into play.

 

Gueye's ability to bring the ball under control was on show from that first friendly. The main issue is that he looked like he'd never played the game in terms of knowing where to run, how to spot the movement of others, general game awareness. 

 

The development of that side of his game has been massive and means that he's worth his place in the team even when he doesn't offer much of a goal threat. If he can do all that whilst scoring 10+ goals a year, then what a bargain he'll turn out to be.

He's easily been our best player for about 6 weeks.

[CottonTownBoy]

A few years ago, I was a Lancs U16 cup final, where one team had a spine of big, strong lads who were dominating the game. The rest of them played off them. I was stood near a Rovers scout, so I wandered over and started talking to him. When I mentioned that these "big strong lads" must have caught his attention, he replied "No, Academy's don't want them any more, as they are seen as too big and heavy and it's all about being as light as possible these days. We are tasked with looking for little Lionel Messi types. These lads might be better footballers and win you games but the Academy's are not interested and would turn them away if I brought them in. The last manager we had who liked big, strong players was Allardyce."

So now we have a big, strong lad upfront who has come from Africa and is coming on a treat and might be worth a small fortune someday, might our Academy think twice about turning away big, strong footballers or will the current malaise continue. Answers on a postcard.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He's easily been our best player for about 6 weeks.

And most enthusiastic.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, CottonTownBoy said:

A few years ago, I was a Lancs U16 cup final, where one team had a spine of big, strong lads who were dominating the game. The rest of them played off them. I was stood near a Rovers scout, so I wandered over and started talking to him. When I mentioned that these "big strong lads" must have caught his attention, he replied "No, Academy's don't want them any more, as they are seen as too big and heavy and it's all about being as light as possible these days. We are tasked with looking for little Lionel Messi types. These lads might be better footballers and win you games but the Academy's are not interested and would turn them away if I brought them in. The last manager we had who liked big, strong players was Allardyce."

So now we have a big, strong lad upfront who has come from Africa and is coming on a treat and might be worth a small fortune someday, might our Academy think twice about turning away big, strong footballers or will the current malaise continue. Answers on a postcard.

 

ACD in a nutshell.

[Exiled_Rover]

 

The thing with Gueye was he was clearly always a bugger to play against - 6'5", strong and didn't shirk a challenge. He's added goals to his game now too to go with his assists.

I had to laugh at the WBA player trying to get him sent off last night because he clearly couldn't handle the physical battle - he absolutely bullies CBs. Same as how Beck bullies RW. I've seen multiple RWs visibly quit when playing against Beck.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

29 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

 

The thing with Gueye was he was clearly always a bugger to play against - 6'5", strong and didn't shirk a challenge. He's added goals to his game now too to go with his assists.

I had to laugh at the WBA player trying to get him sent off last night because he clearly couldn't handle the physical battle - he absolutely bullies CBs. Same as how Beck bullies RW. I've seen multiple RWs visibly quit when playing against Beck.

Gueye is an unselfish player as well. When he passes the ball to a team mate he’s always looking to get it to where you want it. The right amount of pace on the ball so you can make the best of it. He’s not like some players, even at pro level, who only “ lend you “ the ball. I E they aren’t bothered until they get the ball back.

Edited February 13 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[chaddyrovers]

23 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

 

The thing with Gueye was he was clearly always a bugger to play against - 6'5", strong and didn't shirk a challenge. He's added goals to his game now too to go with his assists.

I had to laugh at the WBA player trying to get him sent off last night because he clearly couldn't handle the physical battle - he absolutely bullies CBs. Same as how Beck bullies RW. I've seen multiple RWs visibly quit when playing against Beck.

@roversfan99 did you think it was wrong to write him off too quickly and what was needed was time and patience plus abit of coaching and learning for him? 

Looking good for at least 10 goals this season so would you say you would be happy with that return from him considering what we spent on him?

[ben_the_beast]

Still buzzing after this fellas performance last night!

[Ferrit]

Fucking legend Big Mak is, gives it his all and is really starting to show some genuine quality in front of goal. 

Needs to watch the elbows though, some refs will start looking for it.

[Plastics]

There seems to be a few refs who don't want to give him anything, as happened last night. Wonderful to reply with the blistering second half performance. Would have been easy to sulk with the lack of protection from the ref but he came out in the second half with a bang. Real maturity.

 

The referee seemed to have a bad game for both teams, us getting things we shouldn't have got, too. But his one consistency was ignoring any foul on Gueye, including the obvious penalty.

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

 

The thing with Gueye was he was clearly always a bugger to play against - 6'5", strong and didn't shirk a challenge. He's added goals to his game now too to go with his assists.

I had to laugh at the WBA player trying to get him sent off last night because he clearly couldn't handle the physical battle - he absolutely bullies CBs. Same as how Beck bullies RW. I've seen multiple RWs visibly quit when playing against Beck.

On the subject of "£10m players" - Beck is one of them for me

He has all the attributes to be a top wing back for a long time to come. If he had more composure in the wide areas he would be in the Premier League already - he tends to flash it across the box a lot without looking up

 

[bluebruce]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

On the 2 examples you gave, Paul Mani never said he thought Buckley was worth £10m. Assuming someone did, whoever (and where) came out with that, it was clearly ridiculous. But it would be comparable if he did say that and continued to stick by it.

Whilst Mani did always say he was only getting that opinion from a member of staff at the club, and has subsequently admitted he doesn't think the lad is as good as all that, he made it clear he was wholesale buying into the validity of that opinion* and went to lengths to mock those who thought it was a right load of old bollocks. If Buckley finally finds form for an extended period and realises his initial potential, I'm sure he will be along with some more 'I told you so' fun.

*(comments like, IIRC, I don't see it myself but they know more than us, and essentially shouting down the contrary opinions due to our supposed lack of knowledge...we were right, these experts were wrong)

Edited February 13 by bluebruce

[bluebruce]

The only time Big Mak doesn't smile is when you don't let him take a penalty.

And tbh, it's been understandable he didn't get to take the last two, his goals had all come from headers really, and his shooting with his feet had often been poor. After those last two finishes, with the form he's in, if we get one in the next game I'd let him take it.

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

@roversfan99 did you think it was wrong to write him off too quickly and what was needed was time and patience plus abit of coaching and learning for him? 

Looking good for at least 10 goals this season so would you say you would be happy with that return from him considering what we spent on him?

You say that chaddy, but you was also very critical of him and seemed happy to move him on.

And to be fair, he looked very poor for quite a while. Offered absolutely no goal threat, technically poor and his hold up play was nowhere near what it has become.

One thing that pleased me in particular last night that might sound strange was that his 2 goals and his shot off the bar all came from his feet. Hes always clearly been a threat in the air but you cant just rely on that and up to now his finishing with his feet has been so poor. Either scuffed/miscued or not in the corner and telrgraphed to the keeper. All of his goals up to now have been headers but you cant just solely rely on that and it was good to see him finishing the ball so cleanly. He probably wont ever be prolific but with what else he brings, to go from seldom if ever scoring even to scoring say 10 a season (might struggle to get that many this season) and doing the other things he does makes him a good option to have for sure.

I was certainly like you wrong for thinking he had nothing to offer at this level. I was only judging based on what I was seeing but thankfully hes come on leaps and bounds and has added goals to his game.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

The only time Big Mak doesn't smile is when you don't let him take a penalty.

And tbh, it's been understandable he didn't get to take the last two, his goals had all come from headers really, and his shooting with his feet had often been poor. After those last two finishes, with the form he's in, if we get one in the next game I'd let him take it.

If Cantwell is on the pitch I wouldn't go away from what's worked.

[onlyonejackwalker]

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If Cantwell is on the pitch I wouldn't go away from what's worked.

Dolan scored the last one. 

[bluebruce]

13 hours ago, KentExile said:

I do, so that I can watch them live when I am in mainland Europe 😉

but I was under the impression that the replays were free if you were registered (appreciate I may be wrong now you mention that).

Suppose you could check by registering as a free user and seeing if you can watch one of the replays from last week

I already have an account, and it looks like that does indeed work, thanks! I'm pretty busy until Monday but if my spirit hasn't been crushed by the Plymouth result by then, I'll give it a watch. Thanks, that'll be a useful resource since I have to miss a lot of Saturdays in particular. Not as exciting when you already know the score, but when I miss a good 'un it'll still be worth it.

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[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

I can’t recall ever seeing such a dominant performance at both ends of the pitch.