Makhtar Gueye

[windymiller7]

4 hours ago, DE. said:

Delighted for the big man. Proper cult hero type of player. 

Just posted a very similar comment on the match thread, my final comment was: if anyone wants to know what a cult hero is, it's our Big Mak!

Edited February 13 by windymiller7
Really doesn't like the word 'cult' it's fine with an 'n' though strangely!😅

[bluebruce]

On 06/11/2024 at 22:13, Trinidad Rover said:

Can anyone think of a worse striker to play for us?

I can barely remember Chris Brown and my dad tells me Ashley Ward was crap.

Any other offers?

 

On 07/11/2024 at 09:12, Lancaster Rover said:

Chris Brown is a million times better than Gueye, he at least could control the ball and bring others in. His total lack of understanding of the game was shown again with the Leonard effort, any forward worth their salt is in that space for the ball being sent back across. Where is Gueye, hiding behind their CB toward the touch line. I'm sure he tries hard and is a nice lad but I wouldn't be unhappy if I never say him in a Rovers shirt again, it's like playing with 10 men. 

 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

When?

(Apologies to those I'm quoting from ages ago)

Whilst these don't explicitly say he is the worst striker to ever play for us, Trinidad asked the question, which is an implication in itself (though he admits his memory isn't too long). The main suggestion was Chris Brown, understandably, who most would use as their go-to example of our worst ever striker, and LR said Brown was a million times better. Again by implication this makes Gueye our worst ever, as even if Brown is only in your top 3 worst, being a million times worse than him makes him our worst.

Other comments I didn't quote in the discussion include 'Chris Brown and Fode Koita were better', 'it certainly feels like Chris Brown II', and ruggles1995 saying 'I'd still have Brown down as worse at the moment'...'Brown still tops the list for me atm' (so although he does think Brown is worse for now, it sounded close.

Oh and Ward was mentioned by TR, which elicited 'Ward...was crap, but this chap is in a league of his own' (which also implies worst ever if he has a league of his own for crapness) and 'Ward was crap but fucking leagues above this guy'.

Point is, it was being discussed whether he was the worst, even if nobody explicitly said he was. I'd say Lancaster Rover was definitely saying he was our worst ever, unless he wants to tell us about another striker who was more than a million times worse than Chris Brown.

I also distinctly remember having to quote someone months ago (not in this thread apparently, dunno where) and point out that Brown scored 0 goals in 41 games for us, so Gueye had already outscored him. I don't remember if that was explicitly in response to them saying worst ever, but again they were definitely saying he was worse than Brown.

[BRFC4EVA]

4 hours ago, roverandout said:

Ghueye is everything that Gallagher isn't. Strong good in the air.  Hard working and a goal threat

To think that Ennis and Gally have scored the same amount of goals combined in a year at Stoke that the Mak scored in 1 half vs Wba. 

Thanks Stoke you utter mugs 😂😂

[BRFC4EVA]

10 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

 

 

(Apologies to those I'm quoting from ages ago)

Whilst these don't explicitly say he is the worst striker to ever play for us, Trinidad asked the question, which is an implication in itself (though he admits his memory isn't too long). The main suggestion was Chris Brown, understandably, who most would use as their go-to example of our worst ever striker, and LR said Brown was a million times better. Again by implication this makes Gueye our worst ever, as even if Brown is only in your top 3 worst, being a million times worse than him makes him our worst.

Other comments I didn't quote in the discussion include 'Chris Brown and Fode Koita were better', 'it certainly feels like Chris Brown II', and ruggles1995 saying 'I'd still have Brown down as worse at the moment'...'Brown still tops the list for me atm' (so although he does think Brown is worse for now, it sounded close.

Oh and Ward was mentioned by TR, which elicited 'Ward...was crap, but this chap is in a league of his own' (which also implies worst ever if he has a league of his own for crapness) and 'Ward was crap but fucking leagues above this guy'.

Point is, it was being discussed whether he was the worst, even if nobody explicitly said he was. I'd say Lancaster Rover was definitely saying he was our worst ever, unless he wants to tell us about another striker who was more than a million times worse than Chris Brown.

I also distinctly remember having to quote someone months ago (not in this thread apparently, dunno where) and point out that Brown scored 0 goals in 41 games for us, so Gueye had already outscored him. I don't remember if that was explicitly in response to them saying worst ever, but again they were definitely saying he was worse than Brown.

Nice job on keeping reciepts BB. Could do with someone like you at Trump's news conferences.

[bluebruce]

15 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

Nice job on keeping reciepts BB. Could do with someone like you at Trump's news conferences.

Just used the search function! (Not to bring us to a political talk at all, but as a one-off sidebar, it'd be nice if people could just do the equivalent for all info - Googling - at his conferences, but he spits out such a range of unexpected fabrications you can't really keep up that way and properly fact check in real time...maybe they should use AI at his conferences!)

Not casting shame on anybody who really wasn't rating Gueye back then btw. He looked very handy when he first arrived (which prompted a lot of 'great signing, everything Gally should've been' type comments, which I thought were premature), then looked really crap for a while and criticism was warranted (but again I thought long-term judgements were premature), and has been superb for about a month now, prompting people to think he's top class again (guess what...probably premature!).

People have jumped to some strong conclusions based on how he has been playing at the time, but that's just the nature of football fans really (and pundits etc!).

[bluebruce]

I sadly had to miss tonight's superb win over WBA, though I caught the last 10 minutes on the radio on my way home. From the way they were talking about him heading everything away at the back, and his heat map from the game, and the two excellent goals I've seen on the highlights...I'd imagine this was his best performance yet?

[Paul Mani]

There’s 100000% a player in Gueye, I saw it in 20 minutes, in his first game at Stockport, where interestingly he missed a boat load of chances but it was obvious that he had an ability to get into the right place at the right time. Added to his size, the use of that size and his link up play, It was obvious he was an upgrade on Gally. The ONLY thing he was missing was a finish. But his finishing seemed so bad that it had to be confidence, rather than ability. He thrives on being the man, the hero, and West Brom away gave him the chance to step up again, feel like it’s ‘all on me now’ and boy, did he step up.

In truth, he’s been good for a while after that rocky period following his dismissal at Burnley. As a talismanic presence, I would build the front four around him for this last 14 games. Tell him he’s the man and pray he puts 10+ performances in like last night. If he does, we’ll be in the playoffs. No doubts in my mind.

So, for now. I’m just gonna say it….I told you so! 😎

Edited February 13 by Paul Mani

[KentExile]

3 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I sadly had to miss tonight's superb win over WBA, though I caught the last 10 minutes on the radio on my way home. From the way they were talking about him heading everything away at the back, and his heat map from the game, and the two excellent goals I've seen on the highlights...I'd imagine this was his best performance yet?

Do yourself a favour and watch the full game back when Rovers post it on their website.  Really good team performance (hopefully a siege mentality that will carry on throughout the rest of the season), tactics spot on, & Gueye was immense, he was everywhere.

 

[bluebruce]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Do yourself a favour and watch the full game back when Rovers post it on their website.  Really good team performance (hopefully a siege mentality that will carry on throughout the rest of the season), tactics spot on, & Gueye was immense, he was everywhere.

 

Don't I have to be registered and pay a subscription to do that?

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Don't I have to be registered and pay a subscription to do that?

I do, so that I can watch them live when I am in mainland Europe 😉

but I was under the impression that the replays were free if you were registered (appreciate I may be wrong now you mention that).

Suppose you could check by registering as a free user and seeing if you can watch one of the replays from last week

Edited February 13 by KentExile

[Mattyblue]

Yeah only Mani saw something off the back off that famous friendly game 20 minutes. 

In reality most of us saw something pre the Dingle red card after which he lost his rhythm and his confidence drained away.

A confidence player - the Sheff Wed header was the catalyst.
 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Glad to have my comments shoved down my throat with this one...what the feck do I know anyway!!

[Lancaster Rover]

My point at the time re Brown was that whilst his (Browns) goal return was abysmal he did actually hold the ball reasonably well and do a lot of the dirty work required fairly competently, he just couldn't hit a cows are with a banjo at Rovers, compounded by the stupid sending off after being on the pitch about 5 minutes. The comparisons to Gueye were that post Burnley (and pre I'd argue) that he wasn't particularly effective in holding the ball, linking play or scoring although his movement to get in goal scoring positions was still fairly good.

I'm over the moon that Gueye has started to score goals and be effective. I still stand by for a period of 10 games he looked absolutely woeful, with a trampoline touch and the technique of someone striking the ball with their wrong foot, anyone with eyes would struggle to disagree. Whether it was confidence or not I don't really care, fact remains that anyone with eyes could see he was performing very poorly and his technical output at the time would have anyone struggling to think he was anything other than awful. Put it this way, if he was playing for someone else and he'd been suggested as a January signing prior to the last 4 games everyone on here would have been in uproar.

He has obviously been doing loads of work on his technique, his fitness and his ability to use his physical attributes the the maximum and over the last 4 games has not only looked a real handful, he's been decent with the ball, improving in that respect every game, his movement has been excellent and his ball striking has come on immeasurably again anyone with eyes would struggle to dispute that and long may this improvement continue.

Does his improvement make me think he's a reincarnation of Drogba or Haaland, no, do I think if his development trajectory continues at this rate he can be a good championship player, yes.  I also worry that he is just as likely to fall off a cliff and look like he's playing wearing shoeboxes, he's just one of those hard working, effective but not naturally gifted players IMO.

Edited February 13 by Lancaster Rover

[Mashed Potatoes]

Great work by Gestede to see what others did not that Gueye would be as effective as he is proving.

[Lancaster Rover]

1 minute ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Great work by Gestede to see what others did not that Gueye would be as effective as he is proving.

You're up early Suhail, I thought you'd have travelled back with the team last night

[sparky12]

6 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

You're up early Suhail, I thought you'd have travelled back with the team last night

I thought it was Steve?

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, sparky12 said:

I thought it was Steve?

No -it's Rudy.

[BRFC4EVA]

2 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Glad to have my comments shoved down my throat with this one...what the feck do I know anyway!!

Yeh well, at least you didn't start the Sam Szmod is a waste of time thread like some other plonker I know 🙃

Edited February 13 by BRFC4EVA

[ben_the_beast]

Always thought he had something about him. His performances at the start of the season were decent and couldn't have been a complete fluke.

Last night however, was one of the best individual performances I've seen of a player in a Rovers shirt for years. Absolutely unplayable, not only up top, but in our own box as well. In addition he was a complete leader on the pitch. Second half it was like we had prime Drogba on the pitch. Such a likeable bloke too.

[47er]

4 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

Always thought he had something about him. His performances at the start of the season were decent and couldn't have been a complete fluke.

Last night however, was one of the best individual performances I've seen of a player in a Rovers shirt for years. Absolutely unplayable, not only up top, but in our own box as well. In addition he was a complete leader on the pitch. Second half it was like we had prime Drogba on the pitch. Such a likeable bloke too.

Venkys rubbing their hands together in glee!

Edited February 13 by 47er

[roversfan99]

He would obviously not be the first to go from looking like a competition winner or at least being very underwhelming to a fairly quick transformation into a very competent player. Of course the key is to sustain and push on his recent form.

Doesnt mean that he didnt look worryingly bad for a spell before it though. Even chaddy had seemingly given up hope and was happy to see him moved on.

[KentExile]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Doesnt mean that he didnt look worryingly bad for a spell before it though. Even chaddy had seemingly given up hope and was happy to see him moved on.

That was the first and only instance I ever can recall being more optimistic about something Rovers related than Chaddy,  I had to do a lot of soul searching in those days and weeks, just to be sure that I had not gone off the deep end

Edited February 13 by KentExile

[Tom]

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He would obviously not be the first to go from looking like a competition winner or at least being very underwhelming to a fairly quick transformation into a very competent player. Of course the key is to sustain and push on his recent form.

Doesnt mean that he didnt look worryingly bad for a spell before it though. Even chaddy had seemingly given up hope and was happy to see him moved on.

Oh you’ve got to let us enjoy this one though there were a few victory laps and ‘I told you so’s’ after his shocker of a miss with his head when more started doubting he’d come good 

People are going to enjoy the flip side of that when they’ve backed him 

I thought there was a player there but did wobble when he lost confidence for an extended time 

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

Oh you’ve got to let us enjoy this one though there were a few victory laps and ‘I told you so’s’ after his shocker of a miss with his head when more started doubting he’d come good 

People are going to enjoy the flip side of that when they’ve backed him 

I thought there was a player there but did wobble when he lost confidence for an extended time 

We all are enjoying it and hopefully he can not only keep it up but get better.

Even people thinking they can say I told you so almost certainly didnt expect the Gueye we have seen recently.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Yeah only Mani saw something off the back off that famous friendly game 20 minutes. 

In reality most of us saw something pre the Dingle red card after which he lost his rhythm and his confidence drained away.

A confidence player - the Sheff Wed header was the catalyst.
 

Confidence is everything for a striker.

I remember seeing Ian Rush playing for Liverpool when everything was going for him. He was lurking on the left  of the penalty area when a long right wing cross came over. He instantly met it with a left foot volley over the keepers head into the far corner ! A jaw droppingly good goal. Then he went to Italy and struggled. 
When he came back I saw. him playing in another game. He got exactly the same ball in exactly the same position on the pitch. This time he brought the ball down and passed it back into midfield.    Confidence.