Makhtar Gueye

[MarkBRFC]

6 hours ago, Hasta said:

It’s hard to judge. After a promising August he then looked awful at Coventry and Plymouth. But so did every player who started those games and those who came on at Coventry (which the exception of ACD). It’s a bit unfair to dig him out from two games where the majority who played were awful.

Also really poor, ineffective sub appearances against Preston and QPR too.

Definitely been off since that sending off unfortunately.

[Eddie]

9 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Pace generally costs money.

Which we can't/won't/don't spend.

Look elsewhere in the Championship and you will see sides packed with pace. We just haven't made pace a priority in any of our signings.

[islander200]

Up to Burnley we were playing the ball into him and getting players around him and he looked decent,defenders where struggling to deal with him and he showed excellent awareness 

Apart from second half v QPR we haven't played to his strengths or Ohashi, it's been a famine for them in terms of chances created  or even getting them involved by playing decent balls into them 

We would have a player if Gueye had ohashis finishing ,if he is to be the starting player at CF then the 3 playing behind will need to be scoring a decent volume of goals ,I don't see him getting double figures  but other parts of his game do look excellent for this level but only any use if the rest of the team are at the races and the 3 behind are getting involved in the play.

 

[Nipper1875]

sam gallagher offers so much more than this dollop - i did say at the time becareful what we wish for. recruitment fail again 

[ruggles1995]

lose a couple games and now gueyes a donkey apparently....?
Hes been suspended recently, and the games hes started in we've picked up points....
Plymouth saturday he scored a good goal which was chalked out for offside, almost scored a header he had no right to get to. Then Plymouth battered us most the half down the other end. No runners to go in behind, no players got close to him, yet hes the donkey because we lost. Again needs certain players with the legs to go behind, and players around him with a brain to know where it will drop. I agree with the fact hes woeful at striking a ball, but hes shown good link up play in the games hes started, and we look way better with him as a focal point than Yuki. 
He needs players off him to score goals, and he needs actual deliveries of quality in the box. Id blame the others around him atm. Be nice to see Yuki play off him at times. Yuki or Cantwell in behind him would be good to see. 

[roverblue]

Gallagher had the same problem that Gueye and Ohashi are now having. You can't score loads of goals when the ball is pinged into orbit and you are stood on the halfway line. You can't score loads of goals when you find yourself isolated out wide on the touchline with 3 defenders in front of you (although Ohashi did manage this against Bristol!).

We are just turgid in our ability to create chances and support our strikers, for me it all comes down to pace/power/dribbling in the wide areas. All our attacking players want to come inside with the ball and nobody stays outside putting balls into the box.

Edited October 7 by roverblue

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, ruggles1995 said:

lose a couple games and now gueyes a donkey apparently....?
Hes been suspended recently, and the games hes started in we've picked up points....
Plymouth saturday he scored a good goal which was chalked out for offside, almost scored a header he had no right to get to. Then Plymouth battered us most the half down the other end. No runners to go in behind, no players got close to him, yet hes the donkey because we lost. Again needs certain players with the legs to go behind, and players around him with a brain to know where it will drop. I agree with the fact hes woeful at striking a ball, but hes shown good link up play in the games hes started, and we look way better with him as a focal point than Yuki. 
He needs players off him to score goals, and he needs actual deliveries of quality in the box. Id blame the others around him atm. Be nice to see Yuki play off him at times. Yuki or Cantwell in behind him would be good to see. 

People have said similar about Dolan, as if hes been scapegoated after the weekend. But fact is that a number of players have received plenty of justified criticism, the blame has been widespread not including the manager. Dolan, Gueye, Hyam, Carter, Batth, Hedges.

The question is, is anyone convinced that he is going to score a reasonable number of goals? Everyone seems to be in agreement that technically he is really poor.

There is no doubt that a forward is somewhat reliant on service, but there is also a responsibility on the player himself to be able to create chances through his movement and anticipation. Take Szmodics last season, the chances he had werent from a cohesive side creating loads of chances, his movement, his runs and his anticipation led to chances.

[roverblue]

He really needs a goal to get his season going, starting to look a poor signing. 

In his defence it’s not like he is missing loads of good chances but his general touch and technique looks on a par with Gallagher.

If we aren’t going to be getting balls pumped in the box for him then he seems like the wrong fit for the way the team is setup.

[roversfan99]

He doesnt get himself into goalscoring positions. 

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He doesnt get himself into goalscoring positions. 

And we didn't exactly provided loads of crosses for him to attack in games? Twice yesterday he positioned himself at the back post but the crosses never reach him, who fault is that? The player crossing the ball or Gueye? 

He is working on his game with Keith Downing each week and getting himself into goalscoring areas more(Source is Eustace previous comments on Gueye and Ohashi working with Downing on their games) 

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

And we didn't exactly provided loads of crosses for him to attack in games? Twice yesterday he positioned himself at the back post but the crosses never reach him, who fault is that? The player crossing the ball or Gueye? 

He is working on his game with Keith Downing each week and getting himself into goalscoring areas more(Source is Eustace previous comments on Gueye and Ohashi working with Downing on their games) 

His movement in the box is poor. He was static on the two incidents you have mentioned from yesterday. Good strikers work between the posts when anticipating a cross. He makes himself easy to mark with his lack of movement.

[Forever Blue]

I think Eustace had seen enough yesterday when, out of frustration, Gueye ran 30 yards to close down the left back and tried to clean him out. Luckily their lad was too quick for him and he missed. It would possibly have been a sending off. 

Still early days but Gueye doesn’t look up to scratch. The turn and boot out of play on the halfway line when he could have just laid it off ten yards summed him up really. He’s desperate to impress but makes poor decisions. 

If he was a Gestede signing then hopefully Geatede is removed from the transfer committee!

[Mattyblue]

His game has gone to pot post Dingles.

I doubt Eustsce will want to be starting him again any time soon. Alas his hands are tied when years of appalling recruitment up top has left us as thin as this.

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

If he was a Gestede signing then hopefully Geatede is removed from the transfer committee!

it was Rovers signing. They appears 4 or 5 people on this transfer committee including Eustace, Owen, Gestede and Park. 

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, arbitro said:

His movement in the box is poor. He was static on the two incidents you have mentioned from yesterday. Good strikers work between the posts when anticipating a cross. He makes himself easy to mark with his lack of movement.

Exactly this. If he’d attacked one of those crosses in particular he’d have had a fairly easy chance to score.  

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, arbitro said:

His movement in the box is poor. He was static on the two incidents you have mentioned from yesterday. Good strikers work between the posts when anticipating a cross. He makes himself easy to mark with his lack of movement.

Its something he is working on Downing but we didn't the cross enough for me. 

Since his sending off his confidence has gone. Needs a game 

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was Rovers signing. They appears 4 or 5 people on this transfer committee including Eustace, Owen, Gestede and Park. 

I know it was a Rovers signing,and I know who is on the committee thanks, but  the initial recommendation would have been made by one of them, and we were told that Gestede knows the French and Belgian markets. So putting 2 and 2 together….

[Forever Blue]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its something he is working on Downing but we didn't the cross enough for me. 

Since his sending off his confidence has gone. Needs a game 

He’s a 26 year old experienced pro striker. He shouldn’t need to be told to make runs in the box. 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

I know it was a Rovers signing,and I know who is on the committee thanks, but  the initial recommendation would have been made by one of them, and we were told that Gestede knows the French and Belgian markets. So putting 2 and 2 together….

I would suggested Park and Gestede both have experience those markets and I would imagine John Park has loads of connects around the world. 

Just now, Forever Blue said:

He’s a 26 year old experienced pro striker. He shouldn’t need to be told to make runs in the box. 

Every player can always learn new things and understand what we want from him 

[arbitro]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its something he is working on Downing but we didn't the cross enough for me. 

Since his sending off his confidence has gone. Needs a game 

If he isn't doing it now given his age then I really don't think it can be coached into him. He shows no instinctive traits that a Championship striker should have.

[Wheelton Blue]

Using 'lack of crosses' as a means to excuse his lack of goals, is exactly that; it's excuse making.

Yes, he's feeding off scraps, but he needs to counter that with making far more effort.

He doesn't put himself about anywhere near enough; that's the top and bottom of it for me.

[Mattyblue]

‘There’s this thing in football called the 18 yard box, run into it.’

’Thank you, Keith’.

[arbitro]

I would play him in the under 21's for a few games to see if Downing's coaching is having any effect on his game. We simply can't afford him occupying a place in the match day squad particularly now Leonard is fit and a better option.

[Forever Blue]

‘just remind me again, Keith, where do I run’

[A Northern Horde...]

Simply not good enough.