Things we’d have missed if VAR had always existed

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

Some counter-histories to debate:

- Speedie’s playoff final penalty not given, possibly missing promotion. 

- Anfield ‘95 and VE Day: Berg not sent off, no penalty to ManYoo, we win the league at a boring canter at Upton Park.

- Furphy’s unbeaten run: MacNamee gets sent off every time he plays.

- Dunny’s Dingle Heartbreaker.

[Hasta]

When we kept winning 1-0 at Newcastle with handball goals in the noughties.

Half of the penalties Simon Garner won.

Martin Olson hating Burnley.

And, possibly, Shearer’s VE Day goal.

 

Edited September 1, 2024 by Hasta

[Herbie6590]

Two words - George Courtney...

 

He would have featured quite differently in our history... 😆

[Aqualung]

Winning the world Cup 66.we all know that  ball didn't cross the line. Not even close. 

Edited September 2, 2024 by Aqualung
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[AllRoverAsia]

VAR may have resulted in us winning the World Cup 3-2.

VAR may have removed Sir Geoff's hat trick but it wouldn't have stopped me having my first can of beer aged 14. Tennant's lager, the tall can with a bikini clad girl on it.

[Upside Down]

51 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

VAR may have resulted in us winning the World Cup 3-2.

VAR may have removed Sir Geoff's hat trick but it wouldn't have stopped me having my first can of beer aged 14. Tennant's lager, the tall can with a bikini clad girl on it.

If VAR was around back then England wouldn't have even got to the final.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 hours ago, Aqualung said:

Winning the world Cup 66.we all know that  ball didn't cross the line. Not even close. 

I’d agree, in my opinion not all of the ball crossed all of the line, but it was close. Scratch that off, the score was still 3-2 and the best team won. I speak as somebody who backed West Germany to win the cup after I saw them demolish Switzerland 5-0. I got 10-1 at the time. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, Upside Down said:

If VAR was around back then England wouldn't have even got to the final.

How do you work that one out ?

[Upside Down]

22 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

How do you work that one out ?

The winner in the quarter finals was offside and the Argentina captain was mysteriously sent off after 35 minutes.

Known in Argentina as the theft of the century.

[AllRoverAsia]

Rattin should have been off earlier.

Known in England as "tough fucking shit you cheating barstewards"

Edited September 2, 2024 by AllRoverAsia

[AllRoverAsia]

I've forgotten what the offside rules were in 1966 but Hurst was on a run into the box with an Argie ahead and to his right.

2.30 minutes

 

Edited September 2, 2024 by AllRoverAsia

[bboy]

That Tevez on the line Goal still winds me up.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

The winner in the quarter finals was offside and the Argentina captain was mysteriously sent off after 35 minutes.

Known in Argentina as the theft of the century.

Mysteriously ? Did you watch the game ? He wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in todays football. He wanted to referee the game as well as play in it.

Edited September 2, 2024 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

39 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I've forgotten what the offside rules were in 1966 but Hurst was on a run into the box with an Argie ahead and to his right.

2.30 minutes

 

The guy to his right in played him on. Argentina had some really good players but their discipline let them down badly that day.

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

The winner in the quarter finals was offside and the Argentina captain was mysteriously sent off after 35 minutes.

Known in Argentina as the theft of the century.

 

Rattin was a dirty player. He deserved to be sent off. 

Argentina got their own back with Maradona's handball goal. Now that was real theft

 

[wilsdenrover]

24 minutes ago, ruggles1995 said:

I accidentally walked in front of my own photo, I thought the photo had been taken, my phone delayed when i took it, mcfadzeen managed to stay still for it though 

Sometimes a defender’s lack of pace is a good thing 😁😁

Thanks for sharing 👍

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

The winner in the quarter finals was offside and the Argentina captain was mysteriously sent off after 35 minutes.

Known in Argentina as the theft of the century.

Whilst the true theft of the century from Maradona would never have stood and we'd have reached the semi final. Since Argentina won it, perhaps that would have been us and we wouldn't have been waiting since 66 for a trophy. No bullshit disallowing of Lampard's goal against Germany. Manure wouldn't have dominated the 90s as much, because the amount of decisions they got in their favour were an utter farce. We may have even won another title. No disgusting Tevez goal. We would have beat the Dingles yesterday.

See, for everything we would have lost, we would have gained something else, and then some I'd argue, as we have had a lot more BS decisions against us than for us, for my money. And both categories would have been fairer.

[lraC]

United would have been a few titles short and maybe one of them, would have gone to us. 

[wilsdenrover]

37 minutes ago, lraC said:

United would have been a few titles short and maybe one of them, would have gone to us. 

I’ve a feeling a lot of VAR decisions would have gone Fergie’s way.

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

I’ve a feeling a lot of VAR decisions would have gone Fergie’s way.

Manure were clearly bribing the refs back then, nobody can convince me otherwise, so perhaps. But I doubt they would have been as blatant. It's much easier to say 'oh the ref and linesman missed it/saw it differently' than it is to say 'the ref, linesman and a whole panel of officials missed it/saw it differently after watching slow-motion replays from numerous angles, the same ones you saw, and after using line technology'. Of course we still get mistakes and controversies, but if one club was to consistently get far more of them in their favour than the others, for such a sustained period, with such oversight in place, I think there'd at least be serious investigations.

[Ianrally]

9 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mysteriously ? Did you watch the game ? He wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in todays football. He wanted to referee the game as well as play in it.

What did Alf call them? “Animals” and he was totally right.

Don’t forget also the whimpy FA told him to apologise and he said he would resign if he was forced into it. A man of principles. 

[Ianrally]

42 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Manure were clearly bribing the refs back then.

It would appear they’re still at it. Yesterday’s ref for the Manu v Liverpool game, Antony Taylor, is from Wythenshaw.
Imagine if the ref for our game at the Dingledome came from Rose Hill !

[K-Hod]

39 minutes ago, Ianrally said:

It would appear they’re still at it. Yesterday’s ref for the Manu v Liverpool game, Antony Taylor, is from Wythenshaw.
Imagine if the ref for our game at the Dingledome came from Rose Hill !

This comes up every now and then, but he’s an Altrincham fan…

Plus, don’t think they needed a ref in their corner, when they had three assists from their own centre mids 😅.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

This comes up every now and then, but he’s an Altrincham fan…

Plus, don’t think they needed a ref in their corner, when they had three assists from their own centre mids 😅.

Not sure him supporting a Manchester club and being from Manchester means he won't have any bias to a Manchester club. Maybe Altrincham hate Manure, I dunno or care, but if they do then that's also a bias.

IMO a ref shouldn't have any geographical or supporter connection to the clubs involved, including rivalries. Not saying this chap is biased, and I didn't watch that game, but just seems the best way for avoidance of doubt.

[arbitro]

9 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Not sure him supporting a Manchester club and being from Manchester means he won't have any bias to a Manchester club. Maybe Altrincham hate Manure, I dunno or care, but if they do then that's also a bias.

IMO a ref shouldn't have any geographical or supporter connection to the clubs involved, including rivalries. Not saying this chap is biased, and I didn't watch that game, but just seems the best way for avoidance of doubt.

It should also be about protecting the referee. He has to live in an area populated by Rags and will have to go about his daily business. There will always be the odd nutjob who bears a grudge should they perceive a decision has gone against them. The rule of thumb when I was on that you wouldn't referee a team from your home county unless it was a local derby. One of the reasons I believe they do it now is because there are only a handful of referees who are good enough to do the top games.