v QPR (h) - 28/09/24

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its hard to pick an attack as Baker clearly cant play from the left and Hedges and Dolan havent earnt their place in the team.

Pears

Carter Batth Hyam Pickering

Tronstad Travis

Cozier Duberry Cantwell Weimann

Ohashi

Is Baker even going to fit the game? 

Is Cantwell even fit enough to start the game? 

Do we need Gueye up front as focal point of the attack? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Baker even going to fit the game? 

Is Cantwell even fit enough to start the game? 

Do we need Gueye up front as focal point of the attack? 

Not out wide, especially on the left.

No.

Yes.

[Forever Blue]

31 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its hard to pick an attack as Baker clearly cant play from the left

He can play from the left in the role Eustace wants him to play. You keep making the mistake of thinking he is being played as a traditional wide mid/winger. He isn’t.

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

He can play from the left in the role Eustace wants him to play. You keep making the mistake of thinking he is being played as a traditional wide mid/winger. He isn’t.

No I dont, you keep wrongly interpreting that I must simply not understand what is being asked of him.

He has been ineffective in both games.

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

He can play from the left in the role Eustace wants him to play. You keep making the mistake of thinking he is being played as a traditional wide mid/winger. He isn’t.

Defending he fill in on the left and attacking he moved inside to the 10 role like JRC did previously from the right. 

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

No I dont, you keep wrongly interpreting that I must simply not understand what is being asked of him.

He has been ineffective in both games.

I thought he had good solid game against Bristol City. Don't get how he was ineffective in that game? 

Edited September 23, 2024 by chaddyrovers

[Forever Blue]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

No I dont, you keep wrongly interpreting that I must simply not understand what is being asked of him.

He has been ineffective in both games.

If you don’t understand what he’s doing you can’t decide if he’s effective or not. You say you understand and then say he can’t play wide left without any context. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Defending he fill in on the left and attacking he moved inside to the 10 role like JRC did previously from the right. 

 

Yeah, I know, it’s obvious what his role is. He opens up the flank by dropping inside into the pockets of space so that Beck can attack. Then he defends like a normal wide mid when we don’t have the ball. 
 

Saying he can’t play wide mid when he’s doing the job he’s asked to do is just silly.

whether it’s the best use of a wide mid is really the question. RF99 will get there in the end.

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Yeah, I know, it’s obvious what his role is. He opens up the flank by dropping inside into the pockets of space so that Beck can attack. Then he defends like a normal wide mid when we don’t have the ball. 
 

Exactly 💯 %

6 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

whether it’s the best use of a wide mid is really the question.

For me, it's isn't unless we are down to 10 men and just solid defending for a point or win. Then fair enough. I thought Weimann would have been a better option to be honest. 

I could understand it if Baker played as number 10/box to box midfielder with Dolan playing wide left. In a 4-5-1 formation. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by chaddyrovers

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Exactly 💯 %

For me, it's isn't unless we are down to 10 men and just solid defending for a point or win. Then fair enough. I thought Weimann would have been a better option to be honest. 

I could understand it if Baker played as number 10/box to box midfielder with Dolan playing wide left. In a 4-5-1 formation. 

I can’t remember if Eustace played 2 out and out wingers at Bham but he doesn’t seem to favour it here. I don’t think we have 1 good winger let alone 2 so maybe it’s just horses for courses. Maybe the Brighton lad will prove himself over the season but Dolan and Hedges are poor at Championship level as wingers.

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

I can’t remember if Eustace played 2 out and out wingers at Bham but he doesn’t seem to favour it here. I don’t think we have 1 good winger let alone 2 so maybe it’s just horses for courses. Maybe the Brighton lad will prove himself over the season but Dolan and Hedges are poor at Championship level as wingers.

Think it always depends on team selection, tactics, etc but sometimes he did I remember 

Big fan of Dolan and I rated Hedges aswell. Both would start at the weekend for me 

[Paul Mani]

                     Pears

Brittain. Carter.  Hyam.  Pickering

               Trav.     Sonny

      ACD.       Dolan.      Hedges

                     Gueye

Subs - Toth, Batth, Mcfadz, Buckley, JRC, Baker, Cantwell, Ohashi

Rovers 3-0

The only conundrum I see is dropping Batth with QPR being so strong in the air. But a back 4 with Batth and no Brittain hugely limits our forward play. 

[roversfan99]

44 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

If you don’t understand what he’s doing you can’t decide if he’s effective or not. You say you understand and then say he can’t play wide left without any context. 

 

 

Yeah, I know, it’s obvious what his role is. He opens up the flank by dropping inside into the pockets of space so that Beck can attack. Then he defends like a normal wide mid when we don’t have the ball. 
 

Saying he can’t play wide mid when he’s doing the job he’s asked to do is just silly.

whether it’s the best use of a wide mid is really the question. RF99 will get there in the end.

But that is quite clearly what I am saying, that it isnt the best of use of that wide midfielder position. I am unsure why you are being so pedantic and making out like I just must not understand what his role is, especially when you yourself dont seem too convinced by him playing there yourself.

He is playing on the left initially even if his role is clearly nothing like that of an orthodox wide man. But even drifting inside, I dont think that he has had any positive impact on the game in either of his first 2 appearances, he has been fairly anonymous. He also doesnt really provide any cover for Beck defensively and his set pieces (obviously irrelevant to his position) have been poor.

We do have a weakness in terms of personnel to play left and right, Hedges and Dolan have proven over a number of years that they are more often than not ineffective themselves.

[Forever Blue]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But that is quite clearly what I am saying, that it isnt the best of use of that wide midfielder position. I am unsure why you are being so pedantic and making out like I just must not understand what his role is, especially when you yourself dont seem too convinced by him playing there yourself.

He is playing on the left initially even if his role is clearly nothing like that of an orthodox wide man. But even drifting inside, I dont think that he has had any positive impact on the game in either of his first 2 appearances, he has been fairly anonymous. He also doesnt really provide any cover for Beck defensively and his set pieces (obviously irrelevant to his position) have been poor.

We do have a weakness in terms of personnel to play left and right, Hedges and Dolan have proven over a number of years that they are more often than not ineffective themselves.

So you accept our wingers are shit but want us to play traditional wingers. 

[London blue]

3 hours ago, Neal said:

Agree with all of this but despite ACD showing us nothing, he needs to be given a fair crack to actually show something, not fair to make any assumptions after a scrappy derby day draw coming on as a sub. Cantwell will probably be benched but wouldn't be surprised if he gets chucked in as a sink or swim from Eustace. 

I'd be incredibly surprised if Eustace exposed our key asset before he was 100% ready.

I thought ACD showed a good turn of pace and ball control. We're crying out for both of these, he starts for me.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

So you accept our wingers are shit but want us to play traditional wingers. 

I never said I wanted to play traditional wingers. I just think that even with limited choices from the wide roles, that Baker would certainly not be someone I would want to play from there.

[Forever Blue]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I never said I wanted to play traditional wingers. I just think that even with limited choices from the wide roles, that Baker would certainly not be someone I would want to play from there.

Well you would if you wanted someone to drift inside and open up the wing for the attacking fullback. There’s a bit more to it than just playing a left footed wide player on the left. 

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, London blue said:

I'd be incredibly surprised if Eustace exposed our key asset before he was 100% ready.

I thought ACD showed a good turn of pace and ball control. We're crying out for both of these, he starts for me.

I must have missed ACD showing a good turn of pace. The bloke next to me commented than ACD was too small to be fast.

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Cantwell even fit enough to start the game? 

 

He should be. He will have been in training with us for 28 days since he first signed.

Weimann had been in training with us for less when he started at Burnley, and he had played a lot less football at the end of last season than Cantwell.

 

Edited September 23, 2024 by Hasta

[Hasta]

15 minutes ago, rigger said:

I must have missed ACD showing a good turn of pace. The bloke next to me commented than ACD was too small to be fast.

Lol. He's the same height as Messi and a couple of cm shorter than Maurice Greene.

[BlackburnEnd75]

                Pears

Brittain Carter Hyam Pickering

        Travis tronstad

ACD.       Cantwell.     Dolan

        Gueye or ohashi

Subs:

Toth

Batth

JRC

Duru

Buckley

Baker

Hedges

Weimann

Gueye or ohashi

[London blue]

25 minutes ago, rigger said:

I must have missed ACD showing a good turn of pace. The bloke next to me commented than ACD was too small to be fast.

Granted he wasn't flying past defenders but I thought he picked the ball up and drove forward well a couple of times.

He would have been a far better option than Hedges for the long balls down the channels during the first half yesterday, that's for sure.

[BankEnd Rover]

22 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Lol. He's the same height as Messi and a couple of cm shorter than Maurice Greene.

Karamoko Dembele is also smaller and he's rapid! He will cause us issues this week.

[rigger]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

Lol. He's the same height as Messi and a couple of cm shorter than Maurice Greene.

But is he fast ?

[TheRovers1994]

There are gonna be off days so I won’t judge too much based off a cagey derby game against a dirty but determined Preston knob end 

however hedges and Dolan are not starters they are impact subs and maybe start the odd game types for rotation. 

cantwell is in his pre season I would give him 10-15 minutes that have him play 45 at Chorley against Preston 21s on Monday. 
 

woukd also considering giving toth, Buckley, jrc runs out over the coming weeks with the 21s to keep them match fit, there is plenty of competitions to do so in 

pears 

brittain 

carter 

hyam 

pickering

travis 

tronstad

ACD

ohashi 

weimann

geuye

Edited September 23, 2024 by TheRovers1994

[TheRovers1994]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Baker even going to fit the game? 

Is Cantwell even fit enough to start the game? 

Do we need Gueye up front as focal point of the attack? 

Baker isn’t a winger he’s a CM don’t get the doubters here 

[JamieUK]

I don't think any of Carter, Hyam or Batth can be dropped. Given Pickering will come in it's a very defensive backline so tactics will need to change with neither full back likely to be as attacking as Britain or Beck have been. For me:

Pears

Carter, Hyam, Batth, Pickering

Travis Tronstad

ACD Cantwell Sigurdsson

Gueye