v Plymouth Argyle (a) - 5/10/2024

[Upside Down]

6 minutes ago, ruggles1995 said:

Eustace got this one tactically wrong today. Plymouth had very quick front line, we played right into Plymouth’s trap, tried to press high they got in behind us high up. Our back 4 is so slow. I feel for Carter he was so exposed against a decent quick winger. Duru has to play right back, he is the only full back with the pace against those type of quick tricky wingers. 
hyam - poor. 
Carter and batth should have stayed on as cbs at the end. 
We were crying out for pace or a runner to go beyond Gueye all first half. Weiman has not got the legs. Dubbery has to be the answer for that. Cantwell was excellent when he came On. Has to start over Dolan. Not sure why Gueye and Yuki can’t play together. 
we got sucked into Plymouth’s game plan trying to press high with a slow back 4. This defeat is all down to eustace for me. Had the players to nullify Plymouth today and hurt them, and he decoded To be naive and stick with the same group as Tuesday. Faults totally on himself hope he learns from it. 

Getting tactically outfoxed by fat shrek is totally unacceptable.

Anything other than a win today was not good enough.

[ruggles1995]

5 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Getting tactically outfoxed by fat shrek is totally unacceptable.

Anything other than a win today was not good enough.

I wouldn’t have said win minimum. They’ve scored 3 goals in their last 2 home games and beat some good opposition at home. They’re going to pick up most of their wins at home. It’s just very frustrating we came close to getting something and when he finallY shuffled the team after 70 mins with the right subs we looked a different team causing Plymouth problems. If he got the team selection correct at the beginning today’s result could have been a better outcome. But I don’t think any away game in the championship is a guarantee win. Teams like Plymouth and Oxford will be forces at home. But today’s loss is firmlY on eustace. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

You were worried more than anybody about the home form,never stopped mentioning it, we've been 100% this season.

Now you're worried about the away fans. If only we could just win every match home and away. 

 

Things change. When we are really poor in a certain area, then of course it becomes concerning.

You would have more of a point if I had refused to acknowledge our home record but I have praised Eustace on a number of occasions for it this season.

But away from home, 3 points from 5 games is not something to brush over IMO. I found his comments strange that basically the gameplan was to go to Plymouth and "stay in the game for 60 minutes" and hope that subs can get us over the line. I would understand more at one of the top clubs but I dont feel like its constructive to be so passive and so it proved. We dont have that approach at home now, but we just invited too much pressure and were lucky to even be in the game when the subs came on. I feel that we need to be more aggressive, I am all for trying to build on a solid base but not only do I not think that you can wait two thirds of a game before really looking to attack, but inviting pressure made us anything but solid and Plymouth kept picking us apart.

[NeilInBristol]

Pears positioning for both goals is shocking. No wonder we can't keep a clean sheet at the moment. 

[WacoRover]

My earlier optimism for our season, has waned considerably. I think Beck & Brittain returning will benefit us, but the goals have all but dried up, and we seem somewhat lost at the moment. 

The next two at home vs strong teams will tell us much. Unfortunately, looking at the next three games, I think 3 points might be the best we can manage. 

[USABlue]

Anither awful performance...Very worriesome, the goal at the death was comical but I almost saw it coming, told the wife they'll score here.  That aside we should be concerned.  That is 3.out of 4 very flat, lethergic almost lazy performances.  Travis couldn't pass gas today.  It was bad to me nothing much to be positive about, JRC scoring?  I thought we.might go on and steal it but it took just a few.more.minutes.to see it was.not in the cards.  Really hope this is not the start of something bad.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 hours ago, LDRover said:

Yes, this is really poor stuff from the manager.

Turning up to a game to 'stay in it' just gives the initiative to the opposition and leaves you one mistake away from throwing Plan A out the window.

Gary Bower (in particular) and Mowbray used to come out with this crap about staying in the game until half time.

It's complete lunacy. Is it easier to win over 30 minutes or 60 minutes or 45 or 90? Obviously the latter in each case.

Surely the aim should be to be two or three goals up by half time or 60 mins and take the game completely away from the opposition as opposed to trying to hang on for the majority of the games then only giving yourself a relatively short amount of time to score a goal.

[Blow-in]

9 hours ago, DeeCee said:

First (and possibly last) time I've seen the team live this season.

Positives: Crab baguette for lunch.

Chatting and contributing with Wild Rover.

Meeting Stubbs UK then to find he was sitting next to me.

Seeing Rooney get sent off and giving him shit.

Being back in my local pub before 18:00.

Negatives: Everything else, with specific mention to Hyam and Dolan.

Getting a parking ticket.

👏 Safe journey home to the other  1090 brave souls who I shared this shit with.

Away fans were great.

[Blow-in]

Think Eustace should roll the dice go 442 Mak and Yuki up from in a classic big man little man.

 

Edited October 6 by Blow-in

[Mattyblue]

He’s a fella that just wants to ‘stay in the game’ against Plymouth, so there’ll be no dice rolling.

[MarkBRFC]

9 hours ago, DE. said:

 relative unknowns in this division (Cantwell, Gueye, Ohashi, Toth).

Not sure Cantwell is an unknown, he has 3 promotions from this division!

9 hours ago, G Somerset Rover said:

The complete lack of pace throughout the side is why I was so pissed off this Fulham lad didn’t happen at the end of the window. It was clear he was the type of wide profile that we needed. Why on earth we threw all our eggs solely in that basket though I do not know - surely pace was THE pre-requisite for the summer window, yet we allowed it to become a ‘nice to have’ on deadline day.

No doubt it’ll be all the talk once again come January yet we’ll still fail to do bugger all about it. 

Thing is he isn't, he's another in the ACD mould, moderately quick but another who comes inside all the time and never beats a man on the outside.

[Penwortham Blue]

The DNA of the last few seasons returns, conceding right at the death ! Wouldn’t it be nice to be on the other side of very late goals, every now again. The only positive I can find is that it came 300 miles away rather than 7 miles away at the Turd or Dumpdale.

[arbitro]

4 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

The DNA of the last few seasons returns, conceding right at the death ! Wouldn’t it be nice to be on the other side of very late goals, every now again. The only positive I can find is that it came 300 miles away rather than 7 miles away at the Turd or Dumpdale.

That was a negative - the drive home was a killer yesterday 😁

[MarkBRFC]

9 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

The DNA of the last few seasons returns, conceding right at the death ! Wouldn’t it be nice to be on the other side of very late goals, every now again. The only positive I can find is that it came 300 miles away rather than 7 miles away at the Turd or Dumpdale.

Our last injury time winner in front of fans was in November 2019.

[Penwortham Blue]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

That was a negative - the drive home was a killer yesterday 😁

Indeed, feel for you on that front. I’ve been a good number of times to Home Park and only seen one win. The one when Nicky Marker took Ossie out on his debut and we lost 3 0 remains a particularly painful match and homeward journey.

[arbitro]

I have just seen the winning goal and it looks like Hyam is jumping with divers boots on. A simple header into the box and we get done by it. Yesterday Plymouth played a really high line and the number of times Yuki angled his run to get in behind but wasn't seen was frustrating. The sideways passing becomes habitual and when another option is available invariably it just wasn't seen.

[arbitro]

5 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

Indeed, feel for you on that front. I’ve been a good number of times to Home Park and only seen one win. The one when Nicky Marker took Ossie out on his debut and we lost 3 0 remains a particularly painful match and homeward journey.

Coincidentally Nicky Marker was on the pitch at half time yesterday and looked really well. He spoke really fondly about his time at Rovers and how he was made welcome.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

10 hours ago, booth said:

We've pretty much performed the same in all five away games. A poor performance in the first half inviting pressure, second half improved. Try and snatch something.

At least we're at home next.

Didnt at Coventry....poor first even worse 2nd

[Penwortham Blue]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Coincidentally Nicky Marker was on the pitch at half time yesterday and looked really well. He spoke really fondly about his time at Rovers and how he was made welcome.

No doubt fared a lot better than the other signing from Argyle during the Kenny years, Crapper Morrison.

[Herbie6590]

13 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I have just seen the winning goal and it looks like Hyam is jumping with divers boots on. A simple header into the box and we get done by it. Yesterday Plymouth played a really high line and the number of times Yuki angled his run to get in behind but wasn't seen was frustrating. The sideways passing becomes habitual and when another option is available invariably it just wasn't seen.

We once had a kid who could spot those passes…*sigh* 

[Herbie6590]

11 hours ago, DeeCee said:

First (and possibly last) time I've seen the team live this season.

Positives: Crab baguette for lunch.

Chatting and contributing with Wild Rover.

Meeting Stubbs UK then to find he was sitting next to me.

Seeing Rooney get sent off and giving him shit.

Being back in my local pub before 18:00.

Negatives: Everything else, with specific mention to Hyam and Dolan.

Getting a parking ticket.

👏 Safe journey home to the other  1090 brave souls who I shared this shit with.

@StubbsUK complimented your dress sense as I understand it…😉

[Herbie6590]

Define “lack of ambition” 

[Penwortham Blue]

6 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

We once had a kid who could spot those passes…*sigh* 

Please don’t, I’m still trying to get over it 😡 

[RTM08]

6 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Define “lack of ambition” 

Explains why he fits Swag perfectly.

Someone explain to me why the club expects people to fork out hundreds if not thousands of pounds throughout the season when this attitude seeps out of every pore of the club.

Away at a team at the top of the league that would make sense, away at Plymouth though?

Then the second question comes - the plan was not to concede, and then we did anyway, but the plan stayed the same 1-0 down? Why?

[Wheelton Blue]

9 hours ago, arbitro said:

What an awful week as a Rovers fan.. Nigh on 1000 miles, a pitiful performance at Coventry and a defeat at Plymouth with a goal in the sixth minute of stoppage time. Eustace has to drop his nice guy image and add some players after today and sideline them for a while. Dolan had his one in ten game against QPR and then reverted to type. Awful decision making invariably loses possession and allows the opposition to counter. He needs dropping. I also think we need a specialist right back not a makeshift one. It seemed that Plymouth targeted Carter in the first half as he struggled against Cissoko. I don't blame him, it's on Eustace. Hyam is certainly the weakest link in a position where you need the strongest. His feeble attempt for their second goal should ensure a spell on the bench. Weimann and Hedges aren't contributing nearly enough. Ironically though I thought Pickering was one of the better players today and he will be a shoe-in to get dropped in favour of Beck. Up to Tuesday things were going ok but this week some of the misgivings from last season have resurfaced. Losing can quickly become a habit and Eustace, like all managers will be judged on results.

I didn't see the game yesterday, but I concur with your player assessments from what I've seen in games thus far.

We're relying on too many average - or worse - players to ever be a team that as a whole is more than average, certainly not a consistent one.

I think, though, that the recent changes to the back four have messed us up. We've regressed defensively from a team that was looking hard to beat. Eustace needs to get that solidity back as priority, or things could get sticky and we could tailspin. I'm not too despondent yet though, as I think he will.