January Transfer window

[Ossydave]

Taiwo Awoniyi looks to be surplus to requirements at forest, beg them to loan him to us to boost his fee, he'd rip the championship apart i reckon 🤔

[Forever Blue]

23 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

We are so unimaginative and boring in our transfer approach. Even if we don’t spend money, there’s ways to get round that with savvy, low money, investments.

 

Like Ohashi and Tronstad? 

[RevidgeBlue]

55 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He's just not the type of player we need. It's a sticking plaster (an expensive one if he wants a permanent contract at the end of the loan when he's 33) at best.

I can't see the problem with Schlupp on loan as cover down the left side as long as we also sign a striker and a winger (preferably permanently)

If Schlupp is so expensive to do in terms of wages he ends up being our marquee signing then that then becomes a problem and I wouldn't be enthusiastic about him getting a permanent deal either.

[simongarnerisgod]

apparently eustace went beserk at cantwell for his lazy offside and immediately after doing his press interviews went straight to gestede about "players,budgets and other stuff" rudi is now in charge of recruitment by all accounts,swag was nowhere to be seen after the final whistle,probably scoffing the left overs from the boardroom buffet,eustace is happy with the job and his players but definately wants 2/3 incomings ,he`s very easy going usually but can get quite testy if he does`nt get his own way on football matters

[bluebruce]

13 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Given all this support for the manager and plans for reinvestment how many of the last 15 years have Steve Gibson's Middlesbrough spent in the Premier League ?

One. Which is one more than us. Along with reaching the lottery of the playoffs 3 times, which is 3 more than us. And spending zero seasons in League One, which is one less than us. They've only finished in the bottom half of the Championship twice, which is four less than us.

Even taking out the fact that we have objectively performed worse than them in this period, I'm really not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting it would be best to not support the manager and to not reinvest?

[Forever Blue]

5 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

apparently eustace went beserk at cantwell for his lazy offside and immediately after doing his press interviews went straight to gestede about "players,budgets and other stuff" rudi is now in charge of recruitment by all accounts,swag was nowhere to be seen after the final whistle,probably scoffing the left overs from the boardroom buffet,eustace is happy with the job and his players but definately wants 2/3 incomings ,he`s very easy going usually but can get quite testy if he does`nt get his own way on football matters

Where’s all this info from?

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

 Are you suggesting it would be best to not support the manager and to not reinvest?

Of course not. He's trolling/being the Board contrarian as always.

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

Where’s all this info from?

source on the groundstaff🤐

[Mashed Potatoes]

5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

One. Which is one more than us. Along with reaching the lottery of the playoffs 3 times, which is 3 more than us. And spending zero seasons in League One, which is one less than us. They've only finished in the bottom half of the Championship twice, which is four less than us.

Even taking out the fact that we have objectively performed worse than them in this period, I'm really not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting it would be best to not support the manager and to not reinvest?

Perhaps you should take some maths lessons . We were in the Premier League for the seasons ending in 2010,2011 and 2012 which is 3 , 2 more than Steve Gibson's Middlesbrough.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

 rudi is now in charge of recruitment by all accounts

Do we think the fact we haven't brought in anyone to replace Park (was his official title Chief Scout?) will just melt slowly away into the background and be forgotten about?

[Tom]

So he went berserk about Cantwell then made 5 subs but left him on? 
 

Doubtful 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Tom said:

So he went berserk about Cantwell then made 5 subs but left him on? 
 

Doubtful 

Guessing he meant after the game.

[Forever Blue]

12 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

source on the groundstaff🤐

You’re well known for making stuff up for the LOLs in the transfer window

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Perhaps you should take some maths lessons . We were in the Premier League for the seasons ending in 2010,2011 and 2012 which is 3 , 2 more than Steve Gibson's Middlesbrough.

2009/10 was before Venky's even took over.

After that 15th and relegated. Compelling argument.

[chaddyrovers]

55 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

We are so unimaginative and boring in our transfer approach. Even if we don’t spend money, there’s ways to get round that with savvy, low money, investments. We simply don’t do enough with the limited resources we do have. Old, aging, slow players on 6/12 month deals. Sunderland are doing okay without the need for ‘championship experience’

 

Eustace wants experience championship players as he has said in interviews, should we ignore what he wants? 

Hasn't Batth been one of best players this season and for savvy, low money, investments, its a good job we signed Tronstad and Ohashi, Hyam and Brittain than

18 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

apparently eustace went beserk at cantwell for his lazy offside and immediately after doing his press interviews went straight to gestede about "players,budgets and other stuff" rudi is now in charge of recruitment by all accounts,swag was nowhere to be seen after the final whistle,probably scoffing the left overs from the boardroom buffet,eustace is happy with the job and his players but definately wants 2/3 incomings ,he`s very easy going usually but can get quite testy if he does`nt get his own way on football matters

thanks for sharing. 

Eustace is right to go to Gestede about new players wanting in as soon as possible. 

Rudy is the head of football operations so will run the recruitment side of the footballing operation, why wouldn't he not? Does Waggott really need to be involve? 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its one of them. I cant personally get excited about which Palace veteran utility man we might sign or which QPR squad player we could sign.

Because fundamentally, I know that working under such meagre resources will see us fall away, I know it isnt enough. History backs up that suggestion, the squad is already buckling. And longer term, it leaves us with big issues in the summer.

Do I think Schlupp solves one of the problems we have at the moment? No.

yes we all know what your view is on Schlupp. I don't think anyone has forgotten this. 

So if Eustace wants Schlupp, should we ignore what he wants or not? 

Should we not sign a striker because he is squad man at his current club? 

[Trinidad Rover]

Yuki out for a month which leaves us Leonard and Gueye. Eustace, rightly reiterating the need for new blood.

Desperate times - over to you Venkys! 

[MB Rover]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Eustace wants experience championship players as he has said in interviews, should we ignore what he wants? 

Hasn't Batth been one of best players this season and for savvy, low money, investments, its a good job we signed Tronstad and Ohashi, Hyam and Brittain than

thanks for sharing. 

Eustace is right to go to Gestede about new players wanting in as soon as possible. 

Rudy is the head of football operations so will run the recruitment side of the footballing operation, why wouldn't he not? Does Waggott really need to be involve? 

Eustace told me he doesn’t want that, had a brew with him this morning. 

[bluebruce]

29 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Perhaps you should take some maths lessons . We were in the Premier League for the seasons ending in 2010,2011 and 2012 which is 3 , 2 more than Steve Gibson's Middlesbrough.

Very good, nice and glib, well done. We're clearly talking about the Venkys effect vs the Gibson effect though. Our preexisting superior condition can't really be brought into that conversation. Since Boro finished 11th, 12th and 7th in the Championship in those seasons it didn't affect any of the stats I used. Arguably you could use the two Prem seasons under Venkys, the one where they nearly got us relegated from what was it about 8th place, then the one where they did get us relegated, but they don't reinforce any notion of them being capable owners as we were far stronger before then.

Gibson has been chairman of Boro since 1994, and formed a consortium to save the club in 1986. This has been the most successful period in their history, with a League Cup (their only major honour), an FA Cup final and a UEFA Cup final. I think Gibson's approach has done pretty well for Boro, yes.

But it's really only pertinent to compare the Boro and Rovers since Venkys took over, moreover since they got us relegated and how we have both dealt with being Championship clubs. In this period, his approach has been far more successful than our approach of mostly selling everything that's not bolted down and barely reinvesting apart from a couple of random flurries.

If you can't see that Venkys' ownership is shit and their lack of reinvestment is hampering us, then there's really nothing else to discuss.

Edited January 5 by bluebruce

[bluebruce]

20 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

You’re well known for making stuff up for the LOLs in the transfer window

And he is doing it again. Very odd behaviour. Usually gets mad when people point it out too.

[Leonard Venkhater]

28 minutes ago, Trinidad Rover said:

Yuki out for a month which leaves us Leonard and Gueye. Eustace, rightly reiterating the need for new blood.

Desperate times - over to you Venkys! 

OMG! What a thoroughly depressing last sentence!

[MB Rover]

31 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

yes we all know what your view is on Schlupp. I don't think anyone has forgotten this. 

So if Eustace wants Schlupp, should we ignore what he wants or not? 

Should we not sign a striker because he is squad man at his current club? 

Sorry I think I’m missing something here.

In his interviews on the public record, when he asks for ‘2/3 quality players that can make a difference’ do you honestly, hand on heart, believe he’s talking about 32 year old Jeffrey fucking Schlupp?

Honestly?

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

Sorry I think I’m missing something here.

In his interviews on the public record, when he asks for ‘2/3 quality players that can make a difference’ do you honestly, hand on heart, believe he’s talking about 32 year old Jeffrey fucking Schlupp?

Honestly?

If he wants to sign him then yes, obviously. 

[onlyonejackwalker]

31 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Very good, nice and glib, well done. We're clearly talking about the Venkys effect vs the Gibson effect though. Our preexisting superior condition can't really be brought into that conversation. Since Boro finished 11th, 12th and 7th in the Championship in those seasons it didn't affect any of the stats I used. Arguably you could use the two Prem seasons under Venkys, the one where they nearly got us relegated from what was it about 8th place, then the one where they did get us relegated, but they don't reinforce any notion of them being capable owners as we were far stronger before then.

Gibson has been chairman of Boro since 1994, and formed a consortium to save the club in 1986. This has been the most successful period in their history, with a League Cup (their only major honour), an FA Cup final and a UEFA Cup final. I think Gibson's approach has done pretty well for Boro, yes.

But it's really only pertinent to compare the Boro and Rovers since Venkys took over, moreover since they got us relegated and how we have both dealt with being Championship clubs. In this period, his approach has been far more successful than our approach of mostly selling everything that's not bolted down and barely reinvesting apart from a couple of random flurries.

If you can't see that Venkys' ownership is shit and their lack of reinvestment is hampering us, then there's really nothing else to discuss.

Gibson has lost similar amounts as the Venkys bankrolling his football club. And kept them marooned in the Championship for 14 of the last 15 years.

I'm unsure why he is constantly trotted out as a litmus test for the perfect football club owner. Perhaps because he bailed them out originally and is a fan?

Our owners lose 17 million a year. 50k a day! Only player trading keeps us liquid. They wiped 30 million off our turnover and created this mess, but sadly there is no easy fix once you go down. Unless you want to risk your own personal fortune or the financial viability of your football club.

As the respected Mr. Gibson will confirm.

[RoversClitheroe]

Am I right in thinking initially Schlupp was a striker for Palace?