January Transfer window

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

What is the beef with Schlupp?

Do people think you lose pace at 35? This isn’t the 90s. Footballers look after themselves. I am 31 and I reckon I’m as quick as when I was 21 - I drink pints every weekend and love a chinese

Schlupp will be fit and quick. He’s had premier league experience. He’s a winger. And a good one. What’s the problem?

For me the desirability of bringing Schlupp in entirely hinges on whether it leaves enough in the kitty to bring in what we need in the priority positions of striker and winger.

IF it does (Massive if) I can't see the problem.

Schlupp or Hedges. No brainer isn't it?

FWIW though I can't see Schlupp happening as

a) His wages will be too much

and 

b) The player himself will probably want to move to a Club who will guarantee him a permanent deal after the loan period ends.

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17 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

If there's nothing to report on then there's no news.

Not what I was asking but thanks 👍

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3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Even at his peak, Schlupp was more of a utility man than the type of winger that we are crying out for. One that will offer us a goal threat and provide some individuality. We would (if it happens, which is up in the air) be getting a jack of all trades who will do his hard work but wont add many goals, will only be here temporarily and will be on a physical decline.

 

Reminds me a little of Dolan nimble enough to switch direction but not much of a goal threat

[simongarnerisgod]

rovers being linked with free agent ryan kent,former team mate of cantwell

don`t see what the problem with schlupp is,he`s an imprvement on some of our players,same with ryan kent,they at least offer us some improvement on quality

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I never said either of those things.

I asked you 2 very simple questions 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Who Eustace wants is obviously most important. Although according to you on the topic of Rothwell, the owners should just sign whoever they want...

Not what I said about Rothwell, so don't want to invent points to suit your argument again. I said on Rothwell, the owners were right to stop selling Rothwell to a rival during that season that would strength them and weaken us. 

 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But if Eustace does want Schlupp or at least thinks he is the best option. That would probably be indicative of a very poor list of players due to budget restrictions. And also, I would disagree with him signing. Just because Eustace picks him doesnt mean I need to agree.

We know your opinion on Schlupp FFS, you told us all day long

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And also, my point was it is hard to be enthusiastic when so much money has vanished without reinvestment to be potentially signing players in the bargain basement of limited ability. Because these arent the sort of signings that will either get us into the top 6 or benefit us beyond this season. They may be the best we can afford, and better than nothing.

You deal with the situation we are in whilst we might not agree with what they have decide to do with the budget but it is what it is. 

Lets see who we sign by the end of the welcome 

[bluebruce]

16 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

What is the beef with Schlupp?

Do people think you lose pace at 32? This isn’t the 90s. Footballers look after themselves. I am 31 and I reckon I’m as quick as when I was 21 - I drink pints every weekend and love a chinese

Schlupp will be fit and quick. He’s had premier league experience. He’s a winger. And a good one. What’s the problem?

You're almost certainly not, then. Especially over 90 minutes. You might feel it, but I bet anything that if you had numbers from your fastest 100 metres when you were 21 and your fastest 100 metres now, and the same for running a mile, your figures now would be lower, particularly if you haven't been looking after yourself. I know at 40 I feel like I'm more or less the same speed as my youth for a short burst (but I flag quickly), and at 31 still felt pretty sharp and able to get about when I could stay injury-free long enough to get fit, but I bet there were still marginal differences. Which when playing top end football makes more than a marginal difference.

Absolutely though, pro players do look after themselves better than they used to. Some retain their speed to surprising ages. C. Ronaldo is 40 in February, but he's still quicker than most of our players. Of course, he is also a freak, genetically and in terms of how he looks after himself. And he's also slower than he used to be.

Schlupp may be in great nick and may have retained his pace. Or he may not. I've no idea as I haven't been watching. It increasingly becomes a risk in your 30s though. And even if you've kept it, it can start to go abruptly, especially if you get an injury.

[Rover1984]

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Edited January 5 by Rover1984

[Forever Blue]

2 minutes ago, Rover1984 said:

There’s a picture on Facebook with a PSG youngster on there apparently in Rovers Directors lounge Posted by Burnley fans. They reckon they are signing him,Parker and Rudy in photo too. Is it odd to have a potential signing at a Rivals ground?

Rudy having his photo taken with the Burnley manager and Burnley’s new signing?

Get fucking clowns like Gestede out of our club.

[Rover1984]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

Rudy having his photo taken with the Burnley manager and Burnley’s new signing?

Get fucking clowns like Gestede out of our club.

Edited the quote with the picture

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, Rover1984 said:

Edited the quote with the picture

I think they just took him cos he wanted to experience a big crowd. He won’t get that at Bonleh

Edited January 5 by Forever Blue

[ageoftherover]

43 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

That made me feel old 😁

Me too, but that's hardly a feat these days.

[BlackburnEnd75]

14 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

You're almost certainly not, then. Especially over 90 minutes. You might feel it, but I bet anything that if you had numbers from your fastest 100 metres when you were 21 and your fastest 100 metres now, and the same for running a mile, your figures now would be lower, particularly if you haven't been looking after yourself. I know at 40 I feel like I'm more or less the same speed as my youth for a short burst (but I flag quickly), and at 31 still felt pretty sharp and able to get about when I could stay injury-free long enough to get fit, but I bet there were still marginal differences. Which when playing top end football makes more than a marginal difference.

Absolutely though, pro players do look after themselves better than they used to. Some retain their speed to surprising ages. C. Ronaldo is 40 in February, but he's still quicker than most of our players. Of course, he is also a freak, genetically and in terms of how he looks after himself. And he's also slower than he used to be.

Schlupp may be in great nick and may have retained his pace. Or he may not. I've no idea as I haven't been watching. It increasingly becomes a risk in your 30s though. And even if you've kept it, it can start to go abruptly, especially if you get an injury.

How often do you run 100m in football, it's the drop in acceleration over 5-10m that is the killer. I'm still playing, my top pace isn't that much slower but my turn of pace is noticeably slower.

I'd be very interested in schlupp (should it be possible). If it was a loan until the end of the season. I wouldn't be guaranteeing a contract at the end of it. We'd need to have a look at him first.

From what I've seen of him he very much relies on his physical abilities. Quick, strong, great engine, not particularly technical at the top level but handy enough. Very versatile, would start wide left or deputise in cm in Travis absence. 

He might be keen to move back this way as I believe his wife is from preston.

[roversfan99]

33 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I asked you 2 very simple questions 

Not what I said about Rothwell, so don't want to invent points to suit your argument again. I said on Rothwell, the owners were right to stop selling Rothwell to a rival during that season that would strength them and weaken us. 

 

We know your opinion on Schlupp FFS, you told us all day long

You deal with the situation we are in whilst we might not agree with what they have decide to do with the budget but it is what it is. 

Lets see who we sign by the end of the welcome 

Middlesbrough come in for Dolan in this window, offering £3-4m. 

Eustace wants to sell and buy a couple of players, knowing he has a minimal budget otherwise, bur the owners refuse. Dolan stays, we arent selling him to a rival, he will leave for free in the summer instead.

Eustace then admits to the media that he is annoyed that he wasnt allowed to do it.

Would you agree with the owners and think that Eustace is wrong?

[47er]

45 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

rovers being linked with free agent ryan kent,former team mate of cantwell

don`t see what the problem with schlupp is,he`s an imprvement on some of our players,same with ryan kent,they at least offer us some improvement on quality

Its not a matter of whether any player is better than what we have, its about whether they are able to make the diifference and get us in the play-offs.

[Penwortham Blue]

45 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

rovers being linked with free agent ryan kent,former team mate of cantwell

don`t see what the problem with schlupp is,he`s an imprvement on some of our players,same with ryan kent,they at least offer us some improvement on quality

Wouldn’t be totally against Kent but he has played 8 games in 18 months and left his last club 10/12 weeks ago. My worry would be that he won’t be ‘oven ready’ and good to go straight in to tough Championship fixtures and that’s what we really need.

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Middlesbrough come in for Dolan in this window, offering £3-4m. 

Eustace wants to sell and buy a couple of players, knowing he has a minimal budget otherwise, bur the owners refuse. Dolan stays, we arent selling him to a rival, he will leave for free in the summer instead.

Eustace then admits to the media that he is annoyed that he wasnt allowed to do it.

Would you agree with the owners and think that Eustace is wrong?

plenty of flaws in your hypothetical question which I won't be answering cos I ain't playing your game. 

Time for you to accept that we have different opinions on whether Rothwell should have been sold to a direct rival at the time we were challenging for 2nd place, and also why we missed out of the playoffs that season. It is time to agree to disagree cos we have taking enough time to discuss and debate our opinions today. Time to move on 

[Hasta]

23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Middlesbrough come in for Dolan in this window, offering £3-4m. 

Eustace wants to sell and buy a couple of players, knowing he has a minimal budget otherwise, bur the owners refuse. Dolan stays, we arent selling him to a rival, he will leave for free in the summer instead.

Eustace then admits to the media that he is annoyed that he wasnt allowed to do it.

Would you agree with the owners and think that Eustace is wrong?

I’ve not been following the Rothwell discussion as it was painful to catch up on, but in this scenario if Eustace and Gestede both agreed then absolutely he should be sold. It’s a no brainier. You have to let the football people make the football decisions.

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, Hasta said:

I’ve not been following the Rothwell discussion as it was painful to catch up on, but in this scenario if Eustace and Gestede both agreed then absolutely he should be sold. It’s a no brainier. You have to let the football people make the football decisions.

100%. If they get it wrong they fall on their sword.

[Leonard Venkhater]

14 minutes ago, Hasta said:

I’ve not been following the Rothwell discussion as it was painful to catch up on, but in this scenario if Eustace and Gestede both agreed then absolutely he should be sold. It’s a no brainier. You have to let the football people make the football decisions.

I agreed with Mowbray, when it happened. He wanted to use the money to get Dembele, I think.

Venky's were wrong. Mowbray was right.

[bluebruce]

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Middlesbrough come in for Dolan in this window, offering £3-4m. 

Eustace wants to sell and buy a couple of players, knowing he has a minimal budget otherwise, bur the owners refuse. Dolan stays, we arent selling him to a rival, he will leave for free in the summer instead.

Eustace then admits to the media that he is annoyed that he wasnt allowed to do it.

Would you agree with the owners and think that Eustace is wrong?

It is worth repeating, as people keep forgetting, but Dolan will only move for free if he goes abroad. Otherwise we will be due compensation due to his age (unless we have offered him no, or a worse, contract, which I can't imagine we would even as incompetent as we are). I don't imagine he will move abroad either, though I guess you never know. I can't think what league he would attract interest from where they'd also pay a better wage. 2.Bundesliga maybe, or a very shit La Liga side (newly promoted maybe).

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I agreed with Mowbray, when it happened. He wanted to use the money to get Dembele, I think.

Venky's were wrong. Mowbray was right.

I disagree strongly. It would have been insanity to sell one of our best players to our main rivals for the 2nd promotion spot.

The fact Mowbray was up for it says everything about him.

[jim mk2]

Just caught the tailend of this conversation but if anyone, just anyone, is offering money for Dolan I'd take it.

Regarding ageing wingers, a a general rule they're not a good idea. Your body changes in your late 20s, the spring in the legs suddenly goes and with it the pace over 2-3 yards to beat defenders and get a cross in. 

Some folk would say Rovers signed Waggie at 32, and he proved to be an excellent player for us, albeit not as the flying winger he used to be. Schlupp's not in the same class, so it's a no from me.  

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

45 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Middlesbrough come in for Dolan in this window, offering £3-4m. 

Eustace wants to sell and buy a couple of players, knowing he has a minimal budget otherwise, bur the owners refuse. Dolan stays, we arent selling him to a rival, he will leave for free in the summer instead.

Eustace then admits to the media that he is annoyed that he wasnt allowed to do it.

Would you agree with the owners and think that Eustace is wrong?

Not really a valid comparison to Rothwell.  Most people don't rate Dolan anyway and arguably £4m is way above his market value.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, jim mk2 said:

Just caught the tailend of this conversation but if anyone, just anyone, is offering money for Dolan I'd take it.

Regarding ageing wingers, a a general rule they're not a good idea. Your body changes in your late 20s, the spring in the legs suddenly goes and with it the pace over 2-3 yards to beat defenders and get a cross in. 

Some folk would say Rovers signed Waggie at 32, and he proved to be an excellent player for us, albeit not as the flying winger he used to be. Schlupp's not in the same class, so it's a no from me.  

 

 

It was a hypothetical about Dolan jim.

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I disagree strongly. It would have been insanity to sell one of our best players to our main rivals for the 2nd promotion spot.

The fact Mowbray was up for it says everything about him.

What does "it says everything about him" even mean in this context?

Due to your dislike of him going well beyond unhealthy levels, you often suggest things about his integrity beyond his competence as a football manager. Im guessing this is similar but im struggling to work out the logic.

Selling Rothwell for a fee as opposed to letting him go for free and signing a couple of players on long contracts with the money would have not only potentially benefitted the team for the rest of the season (a wantaway player who then went on to play poorly and a couple of new signings to help to strengthen a shallow squad) but also whoever was to take over after him, leaving him with a couple of extra players to build around.

We needed some reasonable money to strengthen. Not only did they not provide it, but they wouldnt even allow him to trade to generate the funds we neeeed.

We then had similarly a lack of budget in the following 2 winter windows. In all 3 seasons our form dipped as our small squad caught up on us. Youve even started suggesting that the blame lies with Waggott for not asking in an attempt to again not blame the owners.