January Transfer window

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Pre Wharton, Buckley was internally revered as the ‘next big thing’. In truth, he has all the ingredients and in spite of what is said on here, his attitude is not in question.

It’s been re-written in here (more times than I’d care to say), but 6 months after he broke in, the season he was ‘Young player of the year’ there were literally scores of Premier League clubs coming to watch him. He was being touted as the next big thing. I posted in here that I was in the players lounge at half time and I spoke to the Everton scout who said there were “a dozen or so PL clubs looking at Buckley” and that Rovers had intimated it would be £10m to even start a conversation.

To qualify this, I also stated at the time that I didn’t actually rate Buckley ‘that’ highly… (A bit which is often left out by the dullards who bring this up, year after year 🤣).

Ultimately, Buckley had all the promise of Adam Wharton and never kicked on. It’s sad and he’s literally sat in last chance saloon. Weirdly, if he just showed some fuckin urgency and desire, I think he’s a FARRR better player than Baker and he’d have a career in the Championship, no problems.

I am pretty sure, i know the Everton scout you are referring to here, who is no longer there as it happens.

If it is the same one, he rated Buckley very highly and it is a shame that he has failed to live up to the hype around him, when he first broke through.

[TheRevAshton]

https://twitter.com/FootballLeagueW/status/1879150910062150084

Edited January 14 by TheRevAshton

[Ricceh]

Aren't Football league World awful for lying?

[BankEnd Rover]

Just now, Ricceh said:

Aren't Football league World awful for lying?

Yes 

[Lancaster Rover]

Buckley seems to be moulding himself as a deep lying playmaker type role, his abilities were always nipping in higher up rather than lying deep and seeing the game well. It's a real shame as I think he's the potential to be a cracking player but sadly he's hit the age where he really needs to have kicked on and this crisis of identity seems to be going against him more and more. 

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, Ricceh said:

Aren't Football league World awful for lying?

 

Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

Yes 

Swansea also one of the few Championship clubs that likely wont offer higher wages than Rovers

[Bbrovers2288]

Buckley would be great in Italy , not urgent enough for championship football 

[RoverTheWorst]

9 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

https://twitter.com/FootballLeagueW/status/1879150910062150084

What’s the point on selling, as we will never be given the money back to re invest 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Buckley would be great in Italy , not urgent enough for championship football 

Would he? Is he actually good enough and intelligent enough on the ball to be great?

[Mattyblue]

I've heard his attitude is very much in question when it comes to putting it in at Brockhall...

[Lancaster Rover]

I don't buy the attitude stuff, if that were the case I don't think JE would even have him on the bench regardless of how thin we are in that area. As someone who is all about the collective I just don't see him standing for a bad apple who isn't grafting when everyone else so clearly is.

[Madon]

7 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I've heard his attitude is very much in question when it comes to putting it in at Brockhall...

I very much doubt that's the case given that Buckley has had the captain's armband when coming off the bench this season. 

[Bbrovers2288]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Would he? Is he actually good enough and intelligent enough on the ball to be great?

I think he is, sees passes, just want more time on the ball that he is given 

[davulsukur]

29 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

https://twitter.com/FootballLeagueW/status/1879150910062150084

I think we've invested a good amount of time into Dolan and he's still only 23 years old. I'd prefer it, if he got a new contract and we could continue to develop him and actually reap the rewards. 

That said, if he won't sign a new deal we should be looking to move him on. At this point in time, he's wholly replaceable.

18 minutes ago, RoverTheWorst said:

What’s the point on selling, as we will never be given the money back to re invest 

👆 the main reason for keeping him on a new contract, we won't reinvest any money for a replacement and anyone who does come in is more likely to be a downgrade than upgrade.

[Rogerb]

Think Dolan is the new Hoillett.

[onlyonejackwalker]

41 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That's nonsense and I'm sure you know it. Running a successful professional  football Club is not simply covering the bills.

If the sole aim is indeed to get the Club to be largely self sufficient and "wash it's own face" as even Jack stated was his ultimate wish once upon a time, then anyone who's been watching the game for a long time such as you or I know full well that you have to recruit well and sell at a profit, rinse and repeat. 

The vast majority of the time this requires a reasonable amount of investment in the playing side because as a general rule of thumb quality doesn't come cheap.

This lot seem to think that we can just churn out an Adam Wharton every year to pay the bills and if anyone else is sold you don't have to reinvest anything into new players. Again an experienced observer such as yourself will know that genius's like Duff and Adam Wharton probably only come round once every 20 years or so and even finding a big profit maker like Szmodics can't be relied upon on an annual basis. And if you don't speculate to accumulate with your players in general the well is likely to eventually dry up as seems about to happen soon.

At the end of the day, if your recruitment is good, you will never lose out anyway - if you make a good signing you'll break even at worst and if it's really good as a whole you might actually achieve that dream of promotion.

You said I was talking nonsense, but I was just outlining were I believe our owners are up to. If every player recruited would generate a massive profit I guarantee these owners and every other owner would happily wax their savings buying them.

But that is aimply wishful thinking on your part. The truth is that most players are simply a huge cost to the business and ultimately have very little resale value. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Think Dolan is the new Hoillett.

Who was the new Franz Carr.

[Browjd]

It's a really good point, why sell if none of the proceeds are going towards transfers?! Yes I would sell Dolan for an acceptable fee in an instant but what's the point? 

Edited January 14 by Browjd

[Paul Mani]

16 minutes ago, Madon said:

I very much doubt that's the case given that Buckley has had the captain's armband when coming off the bench this season. 

Good point - I can’t see Eustace making the lad his vice captain if his attitude is in question. In fact, it would stand to reason, based on the fact that he’s playing little or no minutes and still got picked as vice captain over Hyam, Weimann, Batth, McFadz etc, that it’s very likely he’s seen as a model professional? 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

But that is aimply wishful thinking on your part. The truth is that most players are simply a huge cost to the business and ultimately have very little resale value. 

Well, they are if you don't invest in the right quality in the first place, you just end up paying their inflated wages for a period then lose them for nothing or a substantial loss.

[Rogerb]

4 minutes ago, Browjd said:

It's a really good point, why sell if none of the proceeds are going towards transfers?! Yes I would sell Dolan for an acceptable fee in an instant but what's the point? 

Money to pay the bills now or he walks away in the summer and any tribunal decision is considerably less than what is offered now.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Good point - I can’t see Eustace making the lad his vice captain if his attitude is in question. In fact, it would stand to reason, based on the fact that he’s playing little or no minutes and still got picked as vice captain over Hyam, Weimann, Batth, McFadz etc, that it’s very likely he’s seen as a model professional? 

If his attitude is right, then he's got even more of a problem than we on here think because he isn't performing is he?

Edited January 14 by RevidgeBlue

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Money to pay the bills now or he walks away in the summer and any tribunal decision is considerably less than what is offered now.

Thought we were meant to be strengthening the squad for an attempt at the play offs not losing players and weakening it?

As a matter of interest how much do people think Dolan fetches with just 6 months left to run on his contract. I've no idea but won't be much I wouldn't have thought.

£1m at best?

[Paul Mani]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If his attitude is right, then he's got even more of a problem than we on here think because he isn't performing is he?

Honestly, I’ve never heard a single negative about his attitude. In fact if / when anyone talks about him it’s all positive.

In my opinion, Bucko literally is a poor man’s Adam Wharton. He’s good on the ball, and plays on the half turn. He sees the pass, but he’s not quick enough to make it, then wants too much time and often loses it. When he does pass it isn’t as good as Wharton either, but then neither are most of the Premier league.

Bucko just hasn’t developed. He pissed the younger years in our academy by all accounts. He’s just not kicked on. It’s a shame.

[Old Codger]

31 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Who was the new Franz Carr.

Who wasn't the new Noel Brotherston.. but I get your point..