January Transfer window

[Ghost7]

A recurring theme is the more say Waggott has, the less planning there is for beyond the next 6 months. Although successful in parts, the transfer window lacked strategy in a number of ways... one being player registrations, another being positions signed and the length of contracts agreed.

Central midfield needed money spending on it early, and all of the players signed should have had more minutes in their legs this season to be able to make an impact 3 weeks ago... but minutes cost money... something the owners have still not provided. Even though there are "no restrictions for funding the club" only one permanent signing was made and for a nominal fee.

"Money can be spent freely if they provide a personal guarantee". Well then, I can only presume from the amount spent, they weren't willing to provide it again? It's the usual nonsense to keep the happy clappers busy for another 12 months until Steve retires.

You won't see this lack of funding at many other clubs when in the position we find/ found ourselves in (bearing in mind we are willing to do the same when 2nd in the league), a bit of investment might have seen us sitting more comfortably in the playoffs... A small amount early on. We had sold the players to be able to do it. Consequently it's feeling more and more unlikely and teams that spent more are now set to leapfrog us.

Contract renewals and any long term strategy, Waggott simply can't get right. Is that the CEO Rovers need to assure fans and maximise revenue? No.

Either way it doesn't really matter since a good CEO would struggle to work with the current owners... they will always be the real problem. Venky's have had all of the chances you can have now, we've seen every scenario in my opinion that might have resulted in them financially backing a manager and go for promotion. They have no interest and never will.

It's hard to get behind that as a player, an employee or fans and we'll see the effects of that in the coming seasons in my opinion until they go.

The only restrictions in place are Venky's, it's been that way since 2010. 

Edited February 8 by Ghost7

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

where are these question marks over Dennis's attitude coming from? 

We needed a left back cos Pickering is injured and Beck is looking tired and shattered every game, so do we not sign a left back in this window? 

And Can I asked how many signings you would have made and which positions they were? 

Watford fans said that he had a bad attitude when he had his unsuccessful loan spell there last season. And please dont tell me that you dont care what other fans think, I know you dont, in this instance you specifically asked.

I definitely didnt say that we didnt need a left back. We do need one.

The positions we have signed players in are the ones we needed to be filled. But...

The timing of the signings was terrible, most done right at the end of window with only 15 league games left, when we have continued to lose game after game in the meantime.

The lack of match sharpness is a concern coupled with the timing. Dennis and Woodrow in particular have played very little game time for so long. Getting them up to speed when we have only a third of the season left is a problem.

The quality is debatable and the jury is still out. It feels like it was a case of getting who we could in more than anything else, it didnt seem well planned and cant be hence the registration issue. We badly needed immediate cover for our main 2 midfielders. We failed there. We have brought in attackers and some pace in 2 of them,  but 2 of the 3 we signed have not done very much in a number of years and the third has only really excelled in Serie C. We can only hope at least one or two are game changers.

And the fact that all but one are short term sticking plasters is another concern. Thats what you get when the owners dont give a shit.

 

[neophox]

The way treating Sigurdsson....the club = a joke.....

"Then you get this in your face" - Player says Blackburn Rovers have put him in 'impossible position' - Sport Witness

Edited February 8 by neophox

[JHRover]

Isn't it a remarkable coincidence how we often have a player who is rumoured to be on the most money or worth money in the transfer market 'frozen out' of the club and offloaded?

 

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Watford fans said that he had a bad attitude when he had his unsuccessful loan spell there last season. And please dont tell me that you dont care what other fans think, I know you dont, in this instance you specifically asked.

ok thanks for explained where that come. 

no need for the last bit is there? 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I definitely didnt say that we didnt need a left back. We do need one.

ok fair enough

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The positions we have signed players in are the ones we needed to be filled. But...

The timing of the signings was terrible, most done right at the end of window with only 15 league games left, when we have continued to lose game after game in the meantime.

you could have signed players early but that's required spending some bloody money which is what we should have done this window and the past summer given what we taken from players sales. 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The lack of match sharpness is a concern coupled with the timing. Dennis and Woodrow in particular have played very little game time for so long. Getting them up to speed when we have only a third of the season left is a problem.

That is very understandable concern and a fair one 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The quality is debatable and the jury is still out. It feels like it was a case of getting who we could in more than anything else, it didnt seem well planned and cant be hence the registration issue. We badly needed immediate cover for our main 2 midfielders. We failed there. We have brought in attackers and some pace in 2 of them,  but 2 of the 3 we signed have not done very much in a number of years and the third has only really excelled in Serie C. We can only hope at least one or two are game changers.

We should have signed Baker on a permanent deal in the summer not a loan 

on Karbgo, he looks to have plenty of pace but we signed for around £1m, no criticism of him as player but Rovers couldn't have signed Dembele or Millar instead. 

on Dennis, I like that signing but could Rovers have not make the bid early

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

And the fact that all but one are short term sticking plasters is another concern. Thats what you get when the owners dont give a shit.

valid concern and I agree. There is not one signing on 4 year contract and that is concern of myself. Same as players like Hyam, Brittain, Travis and Tronstad not having their contract renew and even talks. 

[joey_big_nose]

16 hours ago, J*B said:

I’m not sure I buy into this Cantwell has been poor theory. He’s a playmaker, but he’s playing with Dolan, Hedges and Gueye. A playmaker relies on having options to play off. 

I don't think we accept any of our players being poor in their own right because of whose around them. Good players find ways to impact games. 

If he was making great passes or good movement and other players aren't linking up I would have some sympathy but he isnt.

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, neophox said:

The way treating Sigurdsson....the club = a joke.....

"Then you get this in your face" - Player says Blackburn Rovers have put him in 'impossible position' - Sport Witness

This lad is a fucking clown:

"I've always been a professional in this, always giving my all for the club, but then they decide to do it like this. Wait for the transfer window to close and then report it to me. They put me in a impossible situation."

Erm, Arnor:

The Icelandic international hasn't started this season and last featured for Blackburn Rovers against Watford on October 26th. He's been sidelined with an injury since. 

 

How can this have come as a surprise to him? It's such a disingenuous reaction by a player I really wanted to like. He's been unavailable for selection for the vast majority of this season - and is apparently still at least a month away from fitness (before he inevitably does his groin / calf again).

[roversfan99]

He has been a waste of space, but hes not wrong to be aggrieved. To be told he wont be registered after the window (another disorganised mess) is yet more shoddy treatment.

[DE.]

I can understand him being upset if we didn't inform him ahead of time that we were planning to bring in players to fill positions and there was a good chance he wouldn't be registered for the second half of the season as a result. The cynic in me wonders if they did this on purpose so that if a transfer did fall through we could still register him. One assumes so, as otherwise you have to imagine we would have wanted him and his agent to help us in moving him on before the window shut. It doesn't benefit us anymore than him to pay his wages to do nothing for months.

[Ghost7]

Likely that our transfer windows are so uncertain and chaotic that we can't tell our players the plan beforehand or even during.

That is Waggott and Venky's for you...

[JHRover]

Another player mucked around and kept in the dark. Textbook Venkys and Maggott.

Staggers me that there are still people telling themselves that the player is the issue here. We've seen this sort of thing so many times at this club in recent years and it's down to the poison at ownership and board level.

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Another player mucked around and kept in the dark. Textbook Venkys and Maggott.

Staggers me that there are still people telling themselves that the player is the issue here. We've seen this sort of thing so many times at this club in recent years and it's down to the poison at ownership and board level.

Wasn't there a report that he was asked to play a U21 game and refused ? If so the player is the issue.

[MarkBRFC]

27 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Wasn't there a report that he was asked to play a U21 game and refused ? If so the player is the issue.

Pure rumour.

[phili]

50 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Wasn't there a report that he was asked to play a U21 game and refused ? If so the player is the issue.

I always love how Waggot manages to spin himself out of his messes.

He didn't play the game as we didn't have insurance cover for senior players to play in U21 games due to cost cutting measures and he refused to sign a waiver.

[RevidgeBlue]

7 hours ago, neophox said:

The way treating Sigurdsson....the club = a joke.....

"Then you get this in your face" - Player says Blackburn Rovers have put him in 'impossible position' - Sport Witness

Loath as I am to defend the Club hierarchy this is absolute BS from Sigurdsson.

He isnt available for selection due to injury, wont be for some time, and hasnt been for even longer either.

Even if he'd been fit and available and had been playing well, if the Club thought they could bring someone better in and they wanted to de-register him, that would be entirely their prerogative as well.

You'd think from his comments that as a result of being de-registered he suddenly  ceases to get paid or something. The worst that can happen to him is he continues to get paid a fortune for doing fuck all until the end of his contract.

In reality its up to him now to stop swinging the lead, get fit and for him and his agent to pull their fingers out and negotiate a deal with someone else which will no doubt entail us having to pay him off in part to make up for the inevitable shortfall in wages.

[islander200]

1 hour ago, phili said:

I always love how Waggot manages to spin himself out of his messes.

He didn't play the game as we didn't have insurance cover for senior players to play in U21 games due to cost cutting measures and he refused to sign a waiver.

I find that extremely hard to believe. 

What about Riberio, Dennis and Woodraw the other night ?Dennis and Woodrow wouldn't be allowed to play by their parent clubs 

What was the waiver?If you get injured we don't pay the players wages?No senior player would play if that was the case 

There is enough problems at the club to be taking them to task for but I'm calling absolute nonsense on this one 

[SuperBrfc]

I'm not sure how Sigurdsson is supposed to be in the wrong here. Tell him in good time, with the window still open, that the club wish to move him on as he isn't part of the plans. No problem at all. Most players can accept that.

However, allow the manager and a clown above him, to tell Siggy he still has a future and can play an important role in the final run in this season. Then, suddenly omit him from the squad and break the news to him after the window has shut, meaning he is either forced into leaving or stuck in limbo. Absolute bastard move, IMO (not on Eustace's part).

He has every right to feel aggrieved. It doesn't matter if he has been injured or that he should have somehow anticipated this might happen. He was given hope of playing for the club again and it's been taken away on a whim, because it is likely that somebody, somewhere is sweating about saving a few quid.

There's a way of doing things and this is not it. It's classless stuff again from a bunch of amateurs which makes our club look even more of a joke under their watch.

Siggurdsson, just like JDT, just like Lambert, just like Mowbray (towards the end) is not wrong to call this lot out.

[roversfan99]

45 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Loath as I am to defend the Club hierarchy this is absolute BS from Sigurdsson.

He isnt available for selection due to injury, wont be for some time, and hasnt been for even longer either.

Even if he'd been fit and available and had been playing well, if the Club thought they could bring someone better in and they wanted to de-register him, that would be entirely their prerogative as well.

You'd think from his comments that as a result of being de-registered he suddenly  ceases to get paid or something. The worst that can happen to him is he continues to get paid a fortune for doing fuck all until the end of his contract.

In reality its up to him now to stop swinging the lead, get fit and for him and his agent to pull their fingers out and negotiate a deal with someone else which will no doubt entail us having to pay him off in part to make up for the inevitable shortfall in wages.

We could have told him prior to the end of the window that he was not going to be registered.

Even if we rip up his contract. Hes very limited in terms of which clubs he can play for this season. Only ones where the transfer window is still open.

[Commondore]

We all know Sigurdsson hasn't reached his full potential here, because of injuries or otherwise, but this situation is a shambles. Here we have a 25 year old attacker, entering what's usually the best years in his career, who a few seasons back scored against Roma and Real Madrid in the Champions League. Players like that need to be given time and chances, because he has the potential to both propel the team AND be sold for a substantial fee, which can (at least partly) be reinvested in the team. Now instead we're shunting him out to make place for three journeymen, out of match fitness loanees. 

[RevidgeBlue]

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We could have told him prior to the end of the window that he was not going to be registered.

Even if we rip up his contract. Hes very limited in terms of which clubs he can play for this season. Only ones where the transfer window is still open.

As far as Im aware free agents can sign any time as long as the buying Club have space in their squad.

All Rovers and Sigurdsson have to do is come to an agreement to terminate his contract. (Which will involve us paying all or part of it off)

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

As far as Im aware free agents can sign any time as long as the buying Club have space in their squad.

All Rovers and Sigurdsson have to do is come to an agreement to terminate his contract. (Which will involve us paying all or part of it off)

They cant, not if they are released outside of the transfer window. A club outside of a transfer window can only register free agents who were free agents during the last transfer window, not ones released since.

He could join a club in a country where the transfer window is still open, for example Scandanavia, but he hasnt got free reign.

The fact that he didnt know before the window closed and we hadnt decided before the window closed is piss poor.

[Penwortham Blue]

9 hours ago, JHRover said:

Isn't it a remarkable coincidence how we often have a player who is rumoured to be on the most money or worth money in the transfer market 'frozen out' of the club and offloaded?

 

But we are still paying him, either up front to terminate or until his contract ends, this one makes no sense whatsoever. 

[Eddie]

It's a bit of a tricky one.

I do feel sorry for him, but I'm not also sure how the club could have handled it better.

We didn't complete our signings until the very end of the window (that's a topic for another day) so we couldn't be certain that we didn't have space to register him until there was only a small bit of the window left - not long enough for him to be moved on.

They could have had a conversation with him ahead of time and informed him that he would not be registered if a certain number of players were signed, but then you run the risk of not signing those players and having a disgruntled player who knows that he's not really part of your plans.

The club make a mess of a lot of things, but he is just an unfortunate casualty in this situation and one that can't really complain that much given the fact that he has had such extensive injury problems. 

[RevidgeBlue]

48 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

They cant, not if they are released outside of the transfer window. A club outside of a transfer window can only register free agents who were free agents during the last transfer window, not ones released since.

He could join a club in a country where the transfer window is still open, for example Scandanavia, but he hasnt got free reign.

The fact that he didnt know before the window closed and we hadnt decided before the window closed is piss poor.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that.

I've still zero sympathy for him, he can join a Club where the window is still open if he wants and realistically it wouldnt have made that much difference in practice if we'd told him we were de-registering him in advance.

The regular season ends on May 3rd. He's not available  for another month and if it takes him a further month to get up to full match fitness he's only missing a month's football for which of course he's being fully compensated.

Needs to get over himself.

Great post by Eddie above as well.

[roversfan99]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Ok, thanks for clarifying that.

I've still zero sympathy for him, he can join a Club where the window is still open if he wants and realistically it wouldnt have made that much difference in practice if we'd told him we were de-registering him in advance.

The regular season ends on May 3rd. He's not available  for another month and if it takes him a further month to get up to full match fitness he's only missing a month's football for which of course he's being fully compensated.

Needs to get over himself.

Great post by Eddie above as well.

Its not a professional way to handle things.

If we had any semblance of order, we should have known that there was a chance that he wouldnt have been registered, even if he had been registered by default he cant be in the managers plans. He could have been told that, and then the options are to actively seek a move before the window closed, the more likely scenario was to come to an agreement to terminate his contract, or he could even say no I want to stay for the rest of my deal in which case hes got no reason to complain.