January Transfer window

[roverandout]

Just now, Scoobydo said:

It was the managers ambition to sign Sanderson. 

Only because there's no money to sign better

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[JHRover]

1 minute ago, Scoobydo said:

It was the managers ambition to sign Sanderson. 

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Did Eustace go running to the recruitment team and ask for Sanderson as his first choice CB signing having worked with him previously?

Or did the club tell Eustace we've got no money to play with and he's limited to low cost loans so he's making the best of a bad do by picking one he knows?

I think there is quite a big difference between the two. 

[roversfan99]

Loaning players from the division below again doesnt scream of a club or specifically owners bothered about any top 6 push.

Want players to slot straight in? Not played really all season, so thats a cross.

People keep saying "well Eustace must want him" as if that makes us exempt from being able to judge by ourselves. He presumably would try and get better players if he wasnt on such a pathetic budget.

Edited 5 hours ago by roversfan99

[Upside Down]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

No point trying to argue with someone who thinks £18m for Adam Wharton was good business and a player already on the books (Travis) and Cantwell are adequate replacement for a player of his calibre. 

Very weird bunch on the LT site. There was actually someone else arguing on there this morning that we were a "development" Club and they didn't want us spending any money in the transfer window in case it put the Club at risk.

No real fan would say that. Either not a Rovers supporter or a Club plant.

That comment section is full of venky plants and bots.

The other year someone posted a screenshot of about three pro venky comments and posted from different accounts within a few minutes of each other at some real random time of the night. Worked out to be mid afternoon or mid morning India time I think.

Facebook and twatter will also be infested with them. They try it on here sometimes but they always end up getting found out pretty quickly.

[Eddie]

I can live with Sanderson as extra defensive cover. The manager knows him, he has to be given a chance. He's young enough that you can view some of his more recent struggles as a blip and hope that he regains the form from earlier in his career. He's also far more athletic than more of our current central defensive options - so that's something we are missing.

But, going the cheap route on the defensive cover is only acceptable if money is going to be spent elsewhere. 

[roversfan99]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think its squad signing who will be back up to Travis and Tronstad. Similar to Baker. Championship experience. 

If Eustace behind the signing of Forshaw than I back his judgement, he has asked for experience Championship signings this window and he got them this summer. Its about now and present. 

So who would you have gone for instead? 

Who says his legs have gone? 

Are we likely to sign a better midfielder than Travis and Tronstad? Plus factoring in they are a key part of where we are league wise? 

I never said get a player better than Travis or Tronstad. But we need ones that can fill in and not cause a significant downgrade in the quality of the side. We have seen time and time again that its a squad game and you need squad players to be up to a good standard. Baker was a solid enough squad option, he wasnt as effective as Travis but he was good to have. We have Travis out and the other alternative is Buckley who isnt up to it.

The issue is money. There clearly isnt any hence taking players unwanted at a League 1 side and bottom of the Championship. Doesnt scream play off push does it.

Jason Lowe has Championship experience. He also knows the club which is a regular phrase of yours. Would you take him back?

I dont know which players I would sign as I am not a scout, that counter argument doesnt make my opinions invalid. Equally, I dont think that the one we have signed suggest that we will have the depth to sustain a play off push so unfortunately we might replicate previous seasons in which too small a number of players up to standard cause a second half of the season decline.

You keep talking about players being able to slot straight in. Neither has played much football in recent months, especially Sanderson. Does that worry you?

[superniko]

15 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Heard we’re also signing Eustace’s window cleaner to play on the left wing.

He's shite at footy, but you know… Eustace knows him.

(before anyone asks… yes, on loan obviously)

It’s bizarre as this was the shite that Mowbray was slated for (buying everyone from Boro) yet now it’s deemed good as it’s the ‘managers signing’

[alcd]

14 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

In case anyone needs cheering up, we’re case number 60 in the court on Monday…

If there are 59 cases to be heard earlier in the day before ours then another adjournment is a foregone conclusion. 

[booth]

18 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Heard we’re also signing Eustace’s window cleaner to play on the left wing.

He's shite at footy, but you know… Eustace knows him.

(before anyone asks… yes, on loan obviously)

A lot of people thought Fleck was a good signing even though Sheff Utd  fans were saying he’s only got one leg after breaking it twice in the same place.

Let’s hope Eustace’s window cleaner has two working legs.

[roversfan99]

The Sanderson signing is less of a concern than the potential Forshaw one because of the options we have in both positions I think. He also at least isnt over the hill.

We have injuries to Carter and Travis but at centre back, we have 2 good options so hopefully they stay fit until Carter is back when Sanderson can go to being 4th choice. In the nicest possible way, hopefully he never plays for us because it will mean that defenders we know are strong remain fit.

With midfield, we only have 1 capable fit options rather than 2 as Buckley isnt good enough. It means that Forshaw might be needed for the next month and I dont think hes capable, I forsee a big downgrade not only on Travis but also on Baker for a number of games.

People keep saying about saving our resources for a striker and out wide, lets see. Goes against anything we have learnt to expect that to be the case. And even if it is, we cant afford to be weak in other areas but we are going to be in midfield now in terms of quality.

As has been touched on, Eustace either knowing them or endorsing these deals doesnt automatically mean they are good. They scream all we can afford.

[LDRover]

Not sure what to make of the lad from Rage Against the Machine but I'll give him my full support.

[Ghost7]

If you're in a position where you think you might get promoted your loan signings are equally vital if not more so due to the limited space - and the potential to sign better than what you could afford to buy. I've no doubt Sanderson might be good cover and work well with Eustace but it isn't the kind of signing you make if you're serious about achieving something. You look at adding better than what you have in all positions, that's how cutthroat going for the Premier League is, it means we should be looking for all players to be an improvement on the starting 11. This signing further points me towards absolutely no serious amount of funds being made available either for top quality loans or permanent signings. Are there any funds is the question reporters SHOULD be asking? Again we haven't spent a permanent fee on a decent starting XI centre back since Hyam.

[roversfan99]

Not sure if someone said similar earlier but Ipswich were chasing promotion and lacking depth they loaned Lewis Travis. Would have cost them much more than a Plymouth reserve but you are loaning quality to really push.

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Not sure if someone said similar earlier but Ipswich were chasing promotion and lacking depth they loaned Lewis Travis. Would have cost them much more than a Plymouth reserve but you are loaning quality to really push.

You say that, but the equivalent of a Travis loan wouldn't get many on her particularly excited.

'Can't even get into the xxxx team'. 'Loaning players from a worse side in our same division?'.

 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Eddie said:

You say that, but the equivalent of a Travis loan wouldn't get many on her particularly excited.

'Can't even get into the xxxx team'. 'Loaning players from a worse side in our same division?'.

 

He was only available due to a fall out, in his prime years and the captain of a side that had been around the play offs for a couple of years.

When we signed Baker the reaction was not the same as it is to Forshaw and he didnt have the same credentials as Travis.

[Ghost7]

It meant Ipswich deemed themselves to have at least 2 starting central midfielders better than our captain. People need to realise we need better players in a lot of positions, it costs money and we have generated that money but it is not being reinvested in players.

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

He was only available due to a fall out, in his prime years and the captain of a side that had been around the play offs for a couple of years.

When we signed Baker the reaction was not the same as it is to Forshaw and he didnt have the same credentials as Travis.

I agree, I'm just saying. 

Many on here expect all of our loans to be coming from the Premier League. They then want them to be coming from 'big' Premier League clubs (otherwise we get the usual - 'can't believe we are loaning players from Bournemouth' talk). Then they want those players to be either incredibly highly rated talents or basically Premier League players (otherwise we get the usual - 'why are we developing players for another club?').

There's some validity in all of those arguments and I'm seriously depressed that we are signing players like Forshaw, but the club is just in a sorry state. 

Two decent windows with some reasonable investment (15-20 million total) and we could really find ourselves in a decent position. Instead, we will just limp our way to midtable mediocrity and our owners will continue to gradually piss money and value away. 

[BigHoz]

Can live with the Sanderson signing, I don’t like all this “back up” talk tho. Teams on the up always look for better players, players to improve the starting 11. Whether it’s CM, CB, ST, regardless how tronstad and travis are doing, we should be aiming for better, someone to fight for their position. Sunderland just pulled a cracking signing in, Burnley looking at shelvey even tho their CM’s are excellent. Get the money out you tight fisted chicken chokers . 

[JCRovers]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Having a problem. I dont see a good Championship striker we can sign on loan out there. I see Dennis at Forest or Ipswich striker as possibility but can we get them in. Massive question..

Can we buy what we need? Do we have budget to? 

 

Stop making excuses and defend the club for its (so far) mediocre transfer activity. Eustace has clearly stated that he want bodies in quickly who can make a impact and improve the squad. Dion Sanderson can't be seen as anything else than back-up to Hyam/Batth/Wharton/Carter as he has had limited minutes in L1. Sure, he has Championship experience but stats shows that he's low- to mid-level quality in this league at best. Don't really understand why the club is wasting a loan on a backup when it could've been used to sign a PL talent. Hopefully the links to Adam Forshaw are false as it will be a downgrade to Baker.

I can name a few PL young, good strikers/wingers who are hungry, eager to develop and need game time:

Marc Guiu, 19 (Chelsea, striker, represents Spain U19)

Will Lankshear, 19 (Tottenham, striker, represents England U20)

Mikey Moore, 17 (Tottenham, winger, represents England U19)

William Osula, 21 (Newcastle, striker, represents Denmark U21)

Samuel Amo-Ameyaw, 18 (Southampton, winger, represents England U19)

Luis Guilherme, 18 (West Ham, winger, represents Brazil U20)

Yes, you take a gamble on young players who might need some time to settle/adjust to tactics but I would rather do that than settle for mediocrity. The likes of J.P. van Hecke and H. Elliott turned out to be huge successes so sometimes it pays off. Scouting for players who are deemed surplus/not needed in Championship or L1 clubs is not the way forward.

 

[Southside Rover]

Controversial by the lokks of things but I've always liked Sanderson as a player. Whilst he's been around the Championship you get to see a lot of football and certain players just stick in your mind. I recall only a few months ago looking up where he was these days as I hadn't seen much of him. Is he going to take us to the play offs, no but as cover and backup even in midfield I think it's a good signing.

Forshaw also brings bags of experience so as cover I'm not overly concerned.

But and it's a big but...I agree with many other posts about funding so if the above allows a decent budget to bring in that striker that will get the goals we lack and the winger that will get us up the pitch and in behind, in other words both for the starting 11 then I think we'd have done some good business.

Do I sit here convinced that will happen? No as we've seen it all before but I would say that I think Eustace would be at West Brom by now if he didn't think he'd be backed for the push.

[BRFC4EVA]

Is this some kind of joke?

[islander200]

2 hours ago, superniko said:

Any reason why he has only played 2 games all season in League 1?

Probably because Birmingham went out and paid big money for centre halves

Sanderson knows the league ,the manager knows him and potentially any centre half we brought in this January will be fourth choice when Carter regains full fitness

The squad is stronger being able to call upon Sanderson rather than Mcfadz so in isolation its a good signing imo but we need money spent and first choicers brought in in the forward areas

[Roverthechimp]

2 hours ago, B16Rover said:

Knows Eustace but out and out cente back? 

Suggests McFaedz might be moved on or back 5 on radar…

I also wonder if o’riordan will be sold as we seem to have been the wrong move for him.

Short version: Sanderson as backup is upgrade (pacewise) from McFaedz. Probably available for perm in summer as well if JE still here/wants him.

Forshaw: absolutely no idea 

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

In case anyone needs cheering up, we’re case number 60 in the court on Monday…

Jesus fucking christ, how are we an even lower number than last time? There isn't a cat in hell's chance that case gets seen that low down the pecking order.

Venkys are absolute charlatans, but separate to that, the Indian court system is a total joke (including if Venkys have paid someone to put us that low and delay the case again, as that's of course corruption).