January Transfer window

[Trinidad Rover]

A signing would be nice.

Any concrete links or are Schlupp and Bamford it?

Slightly more optimistic based on Eustace's comments in the LT but time is ticking....

[Ricceh]

24 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Who was the new Franz Carr.

Now I have Feeder in my head

[Torgeir]

11 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Honestly, I’ve never heard a single negative about his attitude. In fact if / when anyone talks about him it’s all positive.

In my opinion, Bucko literally is a poor man’s Adam Wharton. He’s good on the ball, and plays on the half turn. He sees the pass, but he’s not quick enough to make it, then wants too much time and often loses it. When he does pass it isn’t as good as Wharton either, but then neither are most of the Premier league.

Bucko just hasn’t developed. He pissed the younger years in our academy by all accounts. He’s just not kicked on. It’s a shame.

Lacks range of passing and can't finish either, but is a decent backup and does well when he has time on the ball. Doesn't fit too well in our current system imho. 

[TheRevAshton]

Waggott: John, Swansea have bid £2m for Ty Dolan and he fancies the move. What you reckon?
Eustace: It'll be a shame to lose him, but if he wants it we shouldn't stop him. We can reinvest the money yeah?
Waggott: *distracted on his phone* What? Ohhh yeah yeah yeah, course John!
Eustace: Alright, get it done quickly then please - we'll need to replace him right away.
Waggott: Two steps ahead of you, he's already on his way for a medical!
Eustace: Wait wha... right, okay.

*Dolan sells for £2m. 2 weeks later...*

Eustace: Steve...
Waggott: Ah ah ah! What've I asked you to call me?
Eustace: *sighs*... Shaggott.
Waggott: Haha, yes John?
Eustace: Yeah um, I still need a winger and the window shuts in 4 days - what's going on?
Waggott: Don't worry John, Scott Sinclair is travelling up from Bristol right now - free transfer!
Eustace: He's 35! I need a proper replacement... When Tyrhys sold you said we'd reinvest the money?
Waggott: Who? *bites a Wagon Wheel* What money?

Edited 14 hours ago by TheRevAshton

[Torgeir]

Dolan will be on pennies so we won't replaced by anything other than a loan player.

[roversfan99]

40 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

You said I was talking nonsense, but I was just outlining were I believe our owners are up to. If every player recruited would generate a massive profit I guarantee these owners and every other owner would happily wax their savings buying them.

But that is aimply wishful thinking on your part. The truth is that most players are simply a huge cost to the business and ultimately have very little resale value. 

The thing is, and this also dispels the idea that theyve only stopped investing since the court case. Across Bowyer, Coyle, numerous Mowbray, Tomasson and now Eustace, there have have only been 2 reasonable patches of fees spent.

The main one was under Mowbray. We signed Brereton, Armstrong and Gallagher for £15m and also signed Rothwell during that time for a nominal fee. Armstrong's sale alone covered that, Brereton and Rothwell should have generated nearly that amount again if it wasnt for their own stupidity, and it all allowed for one of the signings not to lead to a potential big fee in, and even then we did claw a bit of the Gallagher fee back. We also lived off those goals between them for a number of years on the pitch. 

The second was £4m or so spent under Tomasson. Brittain and Hyam havent had resale value but are regulars in the side, but simply one of the 3 having resale led to a profit of about £5m.

Some players signed will not go on to have the resale they want and that has to be accepted. But in both cases, money has been spent, not perfectly and not solely on sellable assets, but its shown in both instances that it is not just a cost to the business to invest.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Waggott: John, Swansea have bid £2m for Ty Dolan and he fancies the move. What you reckon?
Eustace: It'll be a shame to lose him, but if he wants it we shouldn't stop him. We can reinvest the money yeah?
Waggott: *distracted on his phone* What? Ohhh yeah yeah yeah, course John!
Eustace: Alright, get it done quickly then please - we'll need to replace him right away.
Waggott: Two steps ahead of you, he's already on his way for a medical!
Eustace: Wait wha... right, okay.

*Dolan sells for £2m. 2 weeks later...*

Eustace: Steve...
Waggott: Ah ah ah! What've I asked you to call me?
Eustace: *sighs*... Shaggott.
Waggott: Haha, yes John?
Eustace: Yeah um, I still need a winger and the window shuts in 4 days - what's going on?
Waggott: Don't worry John, Scott Sinclair is travelling up from Bristol right now - free transfer!
Eustace: He's 35! I need a proper replacement... When Tyrhys sold you said we'd reinvest the money?
Waggott: Who? *bites a Wagon Wheel* What money?

I'm going to repeat my question earlier. How much do people think Dolan is worth with only 6 months to run on his contact?

Do you really think anyone would be bidding £2m for him?

[MarkBRFC]

I'd think Dolan will try his luck in the summer rather than jump to Swansea now, if the interest is genuine of course.

It's a dubious source at best.

[bluebruce]

45 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Money to pay the bills now or he walks away in the summer and any tribunal decision is considerably less than what is offered now.

Replacing two wide attackers with probably more or less the same budget...depends how likely we think promotion is.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The thing is, and this also dispels the idea that theyve only stopped investing since the court case. Across Bowyer, Coyle, numerous Mowbray, Tomasson and now Eustace, there have have only been 2 reasonable patches of fees spent.

The main one was under Mowbray. We signed Brereton, Armstrong and Gallagher for £15m and also signed Rothwell during that time for a nominal fee. Armstrong's sale alone covered that, Brereton and Rothwell should have generated nearly that amount again if it wasnt for their own stupidity, and it all allowed for one of the signings not to lead to a potential big fee in, and even then we did claw a bit of the Gallagher fee back. We also lived off those goals between them for a number of years on the pitch. 

The second was £4m or so spent under Tomasson. Brittain and Hyam havent had resale value but are regulars in the side, but simply one of the 3 having resale led to a profit of about £5m.

Some players signed will not go on to have the resale they want and that has to be accepted. But in both cases, money has been spent, not perfectly and not solely on sellable assets, but its shown in both instances that it is not just a cost to the business to invest.

There was also a very good period of canny relatively low cost investment under Bowyer when his Dad Ian was allegedly involved in the scouting.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

There was also a very good period of canny relatively low cost investment under Bowyer when his Dad Ian was allegedly involved in the scouting.

There was but as you say, low cost. The likes of Cairney, Gestede and Conway for really cheap. There has been bits of good recruitment at various points in spite of a lack of investment.

Point being, when you do invest, you often only need to strike gold on one and it more than covers a number of purchases. Both Mowbray and Broughton/JDT proved that, money spent and assets created well in excess of what was paid, even covering the odd dud which will happen wherever you are.

Venkys are too disinterested, ignorant and thick to realise.

[BigBar]

Buckley is 25. He is not a young boy anymore. He has been given loads of chances and has never looked good enough. Potential and a brief period of playing ok one time isn't good enough. Get rid of him if we can get anyone to take him. He is going to fall down the leagues once he leaves rovers. He is a nothing player. The scary thing is we are forced to play him more often than we should due to injury, suspension or squad depth. He has found himself out of the squad multiple times and it is not like he has been kept out by the best of competition at times. 

[Tom]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Would he? Is he actually good enough and intelligent enough on the ball to be great?

Yes he’d be decent in Italy. Not Serie A, maybe not Serie B but he’d be decent somewhere in Italy 

[Mattyblue]

His attitude is very much is in question as I've heard it directly from a member of the Brockhall medical staff that Eustace has been less than impressed with him - Tronstadt chucking him a piece of cloth for five minutes is neither here nor there.

That's what I've been told, take it or leave it.

[roversfan99]

It might be an attempt to keep him happy/to try and motivate him but either way, hes barely played which tells you all you need to know. Captain of our second team in the cup or not.

Hes not good enough but because we couldnt afford to sign any reasonable cover we now have to play him while Travis is out. Or likely will. Id play JRC there.

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes not good enough but because we couldnt afford to sign any reasonable cover we now have to play him while Travis is out. Or likely will. Id play JRC there.

Choose not to afford*

[sharpysharps86]

1 hour ago, Trinidad Rover said:

A signing would be nice.

Any concrete links or are Schlupp and Bamford it?

Slightly more optimistic based on Eustace's comments in the LT but time is ticking....

I'm not overly worried about a lack of links. As with Sanderson and Forshaw, deals will likely only come to light when they're practically done. Whether or not the incoming players are good enough is another question entirely 😂.

My gut tells me we'll end up with Godo on loan from Fulham alongside another young prem striker on loan. Would be very surprised if we bring in a striker of better quality than what we have on a permanent deal.

 

[MarkBRFC]

Two loan spots left, I imagine we will fill those with the two positions we need in the last week of the window.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

The thing is, and this also dispels the idea that theyve only stopped investing since the court case. Across Bowyer, Coyle, numerous Mowbray, Tomasson and now Eustace, there have have only been 2 reasonable patches of fees spent.

The main one was under Mowbray. We signed Brereton, Armstrong and Gallagher for £15m and also signed Rothwell during that time for a nominal fee. Armstrong's sale alone covered that, Brereton and Rothwell should have generated nearly that amount again if it wasnt for their own stupidity, and it all allowed for one of the signings not to lead to a potential big fee in, and even then we did claw a bit of the Gallagher fee back. We also lived off those goals between them for a number of years on the pitch. 

The second was £4m or so spent under Tomasson. Brittain and Hyam havent had resale value but are regulars in the side, but simply one of the 3 having resale led to a profit of about £5m.

Some players signed will not go on to have the resale they want and that has to be accepted. But in both cases, money has been spent, not perfectly and not solely on sellable assets, but its shown in both instances that it is not just a cost to the business to invest.

Rhodes cost more than Brittain and Hyam combined. Plus how much did Murphy, Best and Etuhu cost, considering wages etc and Dack arriving in the First Division.

I agree that they have resisted paying out generally but there are more than the two periods you mention when money has been forthcoming.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by dingles staying down 4ever

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Rhodes cost more than Brittain and Hyam combined. Plus how much did Murphy, Best and Etuhu cost, considering wages etc and Dack arriving in the First Division.

I agree that they have resisted paying out generally but there are more than the two periods you mention when money has been forthcoming.

 

I meant in those 11 years that I mentioned after those first couple of particularly odd years when there was still a novelty factor for them. In fact, since we got relegated after that initial summer. 

Dack may have been a big signing for League 1 but spending £750k on him is not investing much.

[Atko's Engine]

7 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Take Pompey game out it’s still and extremely important block of fixtures 

baker being recalled certainly wasn’t on the club - doesn’t mean from sept to now they shouldn’t have had targets in mind?

we should just have a 10 day window then really what’s the point in these first 14 days 

Well we've signed 2 players in these 14 days haven't we? Didn't we sign someone really early on last Jan too??

I'm sure we've had targets in mind for a long time, but think about it. In that time our needs have changed & other teams' needs have changed; players in mind will have hit form & gone above budget or no longer be obtainable, or will have lost form & not be such good value, or have gotten injured.

Rovers don't exist in a vacuum where we can click our fingers to make things happen when we want them to. Unless we're not rolling in cash to splurge & in prime position to start off a domino effect of transfers - & under these owners we never will be - then unfortunately we often have to play a waiting game for the players we want to become available within whatever budget is allocated. Nearly every team in the division will be looking for a pacey winger & a freescoring number 9...

[AVE1875]

1 hour ago, TheRevAshton said:

Waggott: John, Swansea have bid £2m for Ty Dolan and he fancies the move. What you reckon?
Eustace: It'll be a shame to lose him, but if he wants it we shouldn't stop him. We can reinvest the money yeah?
Waggott: *distracted on his phone* What? Ohhh yeah yeah yeah, course John!
Eustace: Alright, get it done quickly then please - we'll need to replace him right away.
Waggott: Two steps ahead of you, he's already on his way for a medical!
Eustace: Wait wha... right, okay.

*Dolan sells for £2m. 2 weeks later...*

Eustace: Steve...
Waggott: Ah ah ah! What've I asked you to call me?
Eustace: *sighs*... Shaggott.
Waggott: Haha, yes John?
Eustace: Yeah um, I still need a winger and the window shuts in 4 days - what's going on?
Waggott: Don't worry John, Scott Sinclair is travelling up from Bristol right now - free transfer!
Eustace: He's 35! I need a proper replacement... When Tyrhys sold you said we'd reinvest the money?
Waggott: Who? *bites a Wagon Wheel* What money?

Mystic Mash

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I wouldn't want to lose dolan anytime soon I think he offers a different dynamic to the squad

[Atko's Engine]

4 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

19 out of 20 premier league clubs lose money. They rely on owner top ups or player sales. The exception being West Ham largely because their stadium is subsidised. The average weekly loss in the Championship is 400k per week. 120k a week in League One.

The Venkys pay all the bills and prevent us going bust. In business terms that is classed as proper funding. What you class as proper funding is chasing their debts, gambling even more to get to the promised land.

When they bought the club we were losing circa 3 to 4m per year in the PL turning over roughly 50 million. 

A succession of disastrous decisions, the first being sacking Allardyce, resulted in relegation wiping 30 million off our turnover. Fourteen years later, with the current PL income that equates to north of 100 million turnover lost per year.

It's a situation of their own making, so there can be no excuses.

I just imagine now, having trusted a million and one managers and coaches, directors, executives, recruitment specialists, consultants, agents and supposed knowledgeable sporting folk and having watched these charlatans oversee huge losses in company turnover, the unforgiveable use of the parachute payments, two relegations etc whilst spunking huge money at all stages of this venture that the owners are well and truly LOST.

Some state their is a cunning Venky plan to keep us marooned at this level. Really? 

That doesn't make any sense to me or probably to many others.. I just think they hate everything they have to deal with concerning the Rovers and regret the purchase immensely. And they have no choice but to fund the operating costs whilst hoping and praying we magically get promoted to help relieve the nightmare.

They don't have a clue what they are doing. Or what to do. Or who to trust. Being good in one business doesn't make you good in all businesses.

 

So sell. Simple.

Good business people know when to get out & cut their losses.

[rossyste]

7 minutes ago, ... said:

I wouldn't want to lose dolan anytime soon I think he offers a different dynamic to the squad

Yes we don't have many others who promise so much and deliver so little !