January Transfer window

[Lancaster Rover]

37 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I'd imagine Beck would cost double that now. Ironically we've given him the platform to massively increase his sale price. The time to negotiate a fee was during the loan talks. We'd only be able to get him if we went up now I expect.

The general principle of investing in players like that though, I totally agree.

Talking of the opinions of fans on players, Bolton fans thought Beck was absolute garbage and look how he's turned out.

[RevidgeBlue]

10 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

if a team has their striker (who’s better) ie hagi wright

BTA has expressed his desire to play through the middle (according to som cov fans)

Lampard could cash in for couple mill and reinvest 

city sold Alvarez to Madrid simply because pep had haaland / Alvarez wanted more gametime. does that mean pep thinks Alvarez is poor? 

I had to look this one up.

Maybe City thought a £68m profit on the player in 30 months was too good to pass up given FFP considerations.

Coventry would be selling Asante  at a loss at the £1.75m fee quoted so presumably any decision from their end would be purely a footballing one not a financial one.

[roversfan99]

19 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Absolutely. Opinions are opinions…

But, Robins wanting to re-sign BTA is a far stronger indication that he’s worth a punt than Steve from British Gas, who’s watched the EFL highlights show twice and spent 10 minutes on TransferMarkt, saying his “Fukkin Shite”

If you catch my drift? 

I dont think these hyperbolic examples of supporters (similar to the one about twitter and doing terrible things to cats or whatever it was) do the situation justice and I dont get what you would gain from a supporters messageboard if you show such disregard for what people think. 

We dont know even if Robins is interested in him, and also as @RevidgeBlue touches on there is a manager in all potential transfers who has been watching the player at his most recent performance level every day and has decided that he is happy to let him go. So if you follow that line of thought, surely that would come into the thinking if your stance is, well I think the professionals know a little bit more than us?

Of course these professionals clearly know more than any of us, I dont think anyone has suggested otherwise. But nowadays, its so easy to see these players and lots including myself have seen Thomas Asante play on a number of occasions. Beyond highlights and transfermarkt. And enough to hold a respectable opinion as to what we think of him. If you was talking to someone at the game or down the pub, and they said well I dont think this player is what we need, would you turn round and shut them down by saying I think they know more than you, mock their job and exaggerate how little you think they have seen the player in question?

Another thing to consider is that these managers are working in conjunction with other staff members and under budgetary restrictions. It is feasible that he maybe is the best option for what we can afford and also not suitable to lead the line for the ambitions we should have. (Not that I personally am specifically saying that)

[roversfan99]

13 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

Talking of the opinions of fans on players, Bolton fans thought Beck was absolute garbage and look how he's turned out.

Edit: apologies, my mistake.

Edited Thursday at 15:43 by roversfan99

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

He has never played for them.

Played for them in the 22-23 season.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I had to look this one up.

Maybe City thought a £68m profit on the player in 30 months was too good to pass up given FFP considerations.

Coventry would be selling Asante  at a loss at the £1.75m fee quoted so presumably any decision from their end would be purely a footballing one not a financial one.

Alvarez asked for more minutes pep said they couldn’t be guaranteed then Alvarez asked if he could leave 

missing the point - just because a manager is willing to let go of a player doesn’t mean they are poor 

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

Played for them in the 22-23 season.

Only 5 times though strangely.

[Waggy76]

 Remember Jason Roberts missed 2 open goals in Leverkusen , amongst many others ..

Signed for Reading 13 years ago and tore up the Championship in less than half a season ..Reading got promoted !

Figure of fun at Rovers !

Wish we had him now !

[Emerald Isle Rover]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think these hyperbolic examples of supporters (similar to the one about twitter and doing terrible things to cats or whatever it was) do the situation justice and I dont get what you would gain from a supporters messageboard if you show such disregard for what people think. 

We dont know even if Robins is interested in him, and also as @RevidgeBlue touches on there is a manager in all potential transfers who has been watching the player at his most recent performance level every day and has decided that he is happy to let him go. So if you follow that line of thought, surely that would come into the thinking if your stance is, well I think the professionals know a little bit more than us?

Of course these professionals clearly know more than any of us, I dont think anyone has suggested otherwise. But nowadays, its so easy to see these players and lots including myself have seen Thomas Asante play on a number of occasions. Beyond highlights and transfermarkt. And enough to hold a respectable opinion as to what we think of him. If you was talking to someone at the game or down the pub, and they said well I dont think this player is what we need, would you turn round and shut them down by saying I think they know more than you, mock their job and exaggerate how little you think they have seen the player in question?

Another thing to consider is that these managers are working in conjunction with other staff members and under budgetary restrictions. It is feasible that he maybe is the best option for what we can afford and also not suitable to lead the line for the ambitions we should have. (Not that I personally am specifically saying that)

As stated there can be other reasons as to why a manager would sell a player it’s not always based on ability or lack of 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

missing the point - just because a manager is willing to let go of a player doesn’t mean they are poor 

I don't think I am, the proposition or at least an inference was being put forward that because another experienced EFL manager was allegedly after him that meant he must be a good player.

Whatever you might say about Robbins, he seemingly didn't rate Assante enough at Coventry to start him regularly in what is his  apparently the player's favoured position and if Lampard sells him then, obviously, he too favours other players in that position.

[roversfan99]

Just now, Emerald Isle Rover said:

As stated there can be other reasons as to why a manager would sell a player it’s not always based on ability or lack of 

 

Absolutely, reasons both for buying and selling a player alike. Finances a big one, interference/joint decisions from others especially nowadays etc.

And its not an exact science, judgements on a players ability is subjective. So there is no reason to disrespect supporter for having them.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I don't think I am, the proposition or at least an inference was being put forward that because another experienced EFL manager was allegedly after him that meant he must be a good player.

Whatever you might say about Robbins, he seemingly didn't rate Assante enough at Coventry to start him regularly in what is his  apparently the player's favoured position and if Lampard sells him then, obviously, he too favours other players in that position.

Yes and as alluded to hagi wright is/was simply better?

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Absolutely, reasons both for buying and selling a player alike. Finances a big one, interference/joint decisions from others especially nowadays etc.

And its not an exact science, judgements on a players ability is subjective. So there is no reason to disrespect supporter for having them.

I didn’t disrespect them I provided a counter argument is that not what debates and forums are for? 

[jim mk2]

22 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

Talking of the opinions of fans on players, Bolton fans thought Beck was absolute garbage and look how he's turned out.

Who would have thought that Branthwaite would be in the England squad after his time at Rovers? He looked like a lower league defender at best in his time with us, whereas Harwood-Bellis looked a class act and the reincarnation of Colin Todd, for those who remember him. 

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I didn’t disrespect them I provided a counter argument is that not what debates and forums are for? 

It wasnt aimed at you, was a general point. I agreed with your point.

[Bbrovers2288]

20 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

 Remember Jason Roberts missed 2 open goals in Leverkusen , amongst many others ..

Signed for Reading 13 years ago and tore up the Championship in less than half a season ..Reading got promoted !

Figure of fun at Rovers !

Wish we had him now !

That leverkuson tie broke my heart, thought we were the better team over the two legs but we missed a hatful, none more so than Robert’s as you said and they had that Harry Potter Ukrainian guy cheating like hell, so wanted to get it up him 

[bluebruce]

59 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If he is sold, then presumably that means Lampard (who should know a player when he sees one) doesn't rate him.

Or does his opinion not count?

Lampard is a crap manager.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Yes and as alluded to hagi wright is/was simply better?

This is going round in circles!

The fact someone else may or may not be better  than him is hardly an endorsement.

Should we just leave it as "

"Some managers may fancy certain players that other managers do not and the fact they might rate them doesn't necessarily mean they are particularly good. Similarly the opinions of a previous Club's supporters on a player don't always mean they are particularly poor or might not improve in a new environment"**

Lol.

(** Although if nearly everyone is unanimous that's generally a useful guide)

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, bluebruce said:

Lampard is a crap manager.

Agreed.

Should still be able to spot a player though.

[bluebruce]

44 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

Talking of the opinions of fans on players, Bolton fans thought Beck was absolute garbage and look how he's turned out.

Didn't know that. Mind, it was 2 seasons ago, he would have been just turning 20 and perhaps needed that first team experience to understand the game well enough. Given how he plays now I can easily imagine him being too rash back then. They also only gave him 5 league appearances to judge by and settle in. Mostly off the bench. When he did start, he played LM it seems. Same applies to his smattering of cup games. Also Bolton fans are generally bellends!

[bluebruce]

5 hours ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Sometimes it just doesn't work for a player at a certain club, but why where WBA happy to sell in the summer? Attitude? Or was the fee too good to turn down? I don't know what the fee Cov paid was, but it seemed a weird one to me as I always felt he did well against Rovers when playing for WBA and was one of their better players overall...not that I follow West Brom I might add!

That aside, Stoke are now shopping for a striker, and it will be difficult to compete with them financially.

 

Apologies if this has already been answered, but the fee Cov paid to WBA was reported as being 2.25 million, rising to 3 million with add-ons. He had been bought for just 300k from Salford, so it represented a decent profit, but also he was in the last year of his deal which would have brought his value down.

Thomas-Asante transfer fee revealed after West Brom exit

[B16Rover]

Pre empting summer here but does anyone watch the SPL? With the way Brittain has been playing of recent, should we need a replacement, I can see Liverpool have Stephenson on loan at Dundee Utd.  

 

With how well Beck has done, and him being at Dundee FC last year - might be one to explore 

[aletheia]

Rumour has it that we are trying to sign Farai Hallam.

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, aletheia said:

Rumour has it that we are trying to sign Farai Hallam.

 

He played a blinder to my admittedly biased eyes yesterday

Edited Thursday at 16:40 by KentExile

[Ricceh]

We already paid for him so it's a done deal.