January Transfer window

[G Somerset Rover]

8 minutes ago, Gav said:

Has anyone seen the latest episode of ‘Tippy tappy football’?

Ince sent scouts to watch Barcelona v Udinese in a pre-season friendly. Carlos Villanueva was the target, the scouts came back and recommended a 19yr old Alexis Sanchez, the rest is history….

In some parallel universe we won (further) multiple PL titles with Lewandowski and Sanchez up top.

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, G Somerset Rover said:

In some parallel universe we won (further) multiple PL titles with Lewandowski and Sanchez up top.

and zidane in midfield🙂

[SuperBrfc]

I get the sentiment of 'wait and see' or that 'the better deals normally turn up at the end of the window'. That would be a reasonable outlook from supporters of any normally ran club. That kind of expectation/hope reasonably applies to most normal clubs. We are anything but normal under this lot though.

Apart from Eustace, I have zero confidence in any of Owen, Gestede or this fabled recruitment team to come up with what we need. It's becoming clearer to me that John Park was the man we needed to be there to find us those bargains. His departure is a blow and speaks volumes about the joke setup.

I am already at the point of 'let Eustace decide who he wants, stfu Pasha/Swag/Gestede/Owen, sit down, and let the manager bring his targets in'. Eustace is the only one I trust in this setup.

Adam Owen, what effing pedigree does he have to be picking out players for Blackburn Rovers? He's lucky to be in this position, IMO. Same goes for Gestede, who is wet behind the ears and learning on the job.

Then you have the absurd situation where Pasha is giving thumbs up or down on important footballing matters. He knows nothing about football so who is he getting his advice from? We're expecting this lot to come up with the goods? Really? It's not a surprise our windows have generally been a joke for ages. All of us fans, the club, the town, we all deserve better than this shit.

Think back over the past two years on this forum...the very same points stated in my opening paragraph were being made by posters towards me and others here I.e 'just wait until the end of the window, be patient, the best deals are at the end of the window, we will bring in quality, I trust Broughton'.

Chaddy was one of those people and he is saying the exact same again this afternoon and evening. Positivity? Delusion? Wishful thinking? Call it whatever you want, but some people never learn.

The 'quality' that we were told to wait for contained the likes of Mola, Ennis, Telalovic, Hirst, Fleck, Wahlstedt. There were a couple of good 'uns in Hyam, Brittain fair enough, but we almost always end up with disappointment late on under this regime.

Surely, people can understand why there is some anger/unrest about our current lack of transfer activity? We've seen this play out so many times before. The same set of chancers are still sat at the top.

If this post is made to look stupid come the end of the window and they bring in some proper signings, I'll happily own up to that and give them credit. It's looking like more of the same now though, unless Eustace can keep the pressure on and get what he wants. He is the only professional in that upper corridor that I trust. The man wants to win, we are seeing it on the pitch and I seriously like that.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

You tell me what and who we need? Like it or not, you've got two million and about 30k a week for wages. Especially if Sigurdsson is staying. And we need a winger and a striker. 

Every player that gets mentioned, someone either drags out comments from fans of his previous club, recent stats, injury record, etc.

We aren't getting the finished article that's for sure, so you, we, me are relying on Eustace to find a diamond thst no one else has spotted. Or a player that's lost their way that he can re invigorate or improve.

I trust Eustace. You don't. But I don't know why.

Unless you think he recommended signing Gueye and Ohashi. If so i understand your concerns. But i dont think he identified them. Hence why he now wants proven Championship quality players that he knows can do a job for him. I think Eustace is looking no further than the end of this season. I think he is going to recruit the players now to try and get us in the play offs. 

And we are so close we can smell it. And no one likes playing us. And we are getting better. And we are better than we think.

It's ok. You are making sense. 

I havent said that I dont trust Eustace and you are purposely twisting my words to suggest as such.

I am saying is it possible/likely to get what we need to reach the play offs factoring in our likely small budget? And Eustace wont be the only one involved in deciding on who we go for. Weve spent probably a not dissimilar amount on 2 strikers already and the fact that we want another suggests that we didnt get it right on those occasions, and we are in a similar position in terms of finances. It is hard. 

I think the main fear is not having the requisite budget to improve sufficiently. That would be the most likely reason if we dont sign what we need, which isnt Eustace's fault.

I dont see why people shouldnt see what fans of previous clubs think, look at stats, comment on injury records and comment on seeing a player in question play previously, positive or negative should they choose. It cant just be a case of, well he must be good enough if hes being signed as Eustace as approved it.

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

no but they tend to happened the later half of the transfer window as history would time you. 

Who have other teams signed you actually thought I wish we had signed for us? 

so who? is this inside info from yourself? 

I have never heard of some of the players signed. So I dont know if they are good or not. And I am not saying that we should have signed those particular individuals. 

It goes back to the point about when you have a bit of money, it makes it easier to then go out and sign players quicker. Especially when you broaden your horizons and choose not just from the limited domestic pool.

We likely will be active in the loan market you would think, more likely than not.

Do you have faith that we get the players we need in this window?

[Herbie6590]

2 hours ago, aletheia said:

Herbie

Think I was suggesting that issuing shares to existing shareholders creates cash (at the expense of existing shareholders) but not really affecting personal wealth of directors as such. Cf most AIM shares.

For clarity…what they do is (in extremis) provide cash for working capital during the year to stop any threat of administration, then at the end of the year they regularise the loans by converting to share capital (exactly as Jack Walker used to).

Recently, the demands for working capital from India have reduced thanks to Raya, Wharton & Szmodics helping out…

But for absolute clarity, each time working capital (& ultimately share capital) increases - it comes from the Raos…possibly via intermediary companies but as all these companies are 100% family owned, at the end of the chain, it’s the Raos providing the money…ultimately.

That level of investment might very well not be noteworthy to them as it is lost in the roundings given the consolidated net worth of the group, there is that. 

[RevidgeBlue]

44 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

Not true at all from what I've seen (the fan part), they seem delighted

They're going to be sadly disappointed.

[Ossydave]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

They're going to be sadly disappointed.

I'm not so sure, not like they're at the foot of the table. If he strings a decent run together they're right in the play off picture. Emotion often gives added impetus and there's a lot of it about with this appointment...

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

. It's looking like more of the same now though, unless Eustace can keep the pressure on and get what he wants. He is the only professional in that upper corridor that I trust. 

Top and bottom of it.

Great post as a whole.

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I have never heard of some of the players signed. So I dont know if they are good or not. And I am not saying that we should have signed those particular individuals. 

So no one then  

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It goes back to the point about when you have a bit of money, it makes it easier to then go out and sign players quicker. Especially when you broaden your horizons and choose not just from the limited domestic pool.

Do Eustace want to buy players from overseas that will take time to settle sometimes or players from Championship who can hit the ground running? 

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We likely will be active in the loan market you would think, more likely than not.

Depends on a number of different factors. None we know about

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you have faith that we get the players we need in this window?

Yes. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So no one then  

Do Eustace want to buy players from overseas that will take time to settle sometimes or players from Championship who can hit the ground running? 

Depends on a number of different factors. None we know about

Yes. 

Like an injured bamford?

[chaddyrovers]

24 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Like an injured bamford?

Have we sign him???

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Have we sign him???

We haven't signed anyone. (in the priority positions)

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

We haven't signed anyone. (in the priority positions)

Have some patience FFS

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Have some patience FFS

OK. FFS.

[islander200]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Ask Suhail.

Suhail hasn't always had such a prominent role here.

Venkys ownership has been shite from day one.

Anyway I'm not having its all big bad Suhails fault.Suhail is on the ground here and would have been well aware of the terms of the Batth deal throughout,  again it was an ownership decision as to why that deal didn't go through 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

OK. FFS.

The quality signings will happened in the later days of the window. Never early window

[roverandout]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

The quality signings will happened in the later days of the window. Never early window

How do you know this 

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Suhail hasn't always had such a prominent role here.

Venkys ownership has been shite from day one.

Anyway I'm not having its all big bad Suhails fault.Suhail is on the ground here and would have been well aware of the terms of the Batth deal throughout,  again it was an ownership decision as to why that deal didn't go through 

So you think the owners ( who according to most are that disinterested they don't even know when we're playing) would be that interested or invested that they'd intervene in a potential transfer on the basis they thought he should have a one year deal instead of two?

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The quality signings will happened in the later days of the window. Never early window

*Cough*

Adam Armstrong 9th of Jan 2018.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

*Cough*

Adam Armstrong 9th of Jan 2018.

Look the first 2 weeks of window and is any player signing you wish we had signed here?.

[Upside Down]

13 hours ago, DuffsLeftPeg said:

He was awful. 5 Years of solid mediocrity with a minor high of getting out of League One at the first attempt, all be it trumped by an inferior Wigan side.

He is in my opinion a key reason for the current state of the club. His successors both show a HUGE improvement in ambition and respect for the fans. 

Agree completely with this.

Apart from the promotion from League One, a division we were relegated to whilst he was in charge, we dod absolutely nothing other than plod along.

There was no ambition, no drive, no expectations of anything better. He was constantly disrespectful to the club and fans. A prime example being him scoffing at the prospect of us getting promoted whilst we were sitting second place in January.

IMO he did more bad than good and is a big reason for the embarrassing lack of ambition and respect for this club from a large section of so called fans. He allowed the deliberate decline of this club to go unchallenged for years because he apparently brought 'stability'. Stability would be actually trying to get back to the Premier League, our natural historical level.

Cue all the Moggites losing their shit.

[islander200]

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So you think the owners ( who according to most are that disinterested they don't even know when we're playing) would be that interested or invested that they'd intervene in a potential transfer on the basis they thought he should have a one year deal instead of two?

I think the decision to only offer 1 year deal for 30+ year old came from the owners and their advisors yes.

Like I said Suhail hasn't always had such a prominent role, Steve Waggott wasn't always ceo,Gestede wasn't always in charge of recruitment but this happens every window regardless who the faces on the ground are.

Even way back when Mowbray was in charge and they did actually spend some money it was still a disorganised mess.Like deciding so late in the day to spend, then decide to spend on a teenage striker, the decision coming so late in window we couldn't even get it done in time and we had to take him In the loan window initially 

Iv seen you mention about Waggott only requesting funding in November, wouldn't matter if it was the beginning of September or the 31st of December we would still be waiting for clarity from those clowns in India 

[den]

2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

There's genuinely nothing wrong with Ohashi and Gueye. THEY. NEED. SERVICE.

Get some quick wingers in the transfer window and they'll both thrive. 

No they wont. Not in my opinion they wont.

Theyre both playing in a league that’s above their level.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

So no one then  

Do Eustace want to buy players from overseas that will take time to settle sometimes or players from Championship who can hit the ground running? 

Depends on a number of different factors. None we know about

Yes. 

May I ask why you have faith? So faith in there being enough money to suitably strengthen and Gestede heading our recruitment to get a goalscorer and some pace within that.

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look the first 2 weeks of window and is any player signing you wish we had signed here?.

You keep saying this but obviously none of us know who they are. No one has said I wish we signed them.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look the first 2 weeks of window and is any player signing you wish we had signed here?.

(Chaddy changes the subject seamlessly)

I don't know how good or bad the signings other Clubs have made are.You almost without exception. always deem players who are signed by other Clubs to be shit.

All I know is that those other Clubs have identified their targets, got themselves organised and made their move early. For once, just once I wish we'd done the same.

Have you EVER heard a manager say - "Yeah, well, I hope we don't sign anyone until right at the end of the window,  when we can be involved in a mad scrum with a whole load of other Clubs to try and  bring a few players in at the last minute by which time the selling Clubs will know full well we're desperate".

No. They all say.

"I'd like us to get our business sorted early and that will also  help the rest of the team during that period as well"

Just because it's often done the other way in practice doesn't make it right.