January Transfer window

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

15 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

We've just won the first !

We had to start with Weimann up front. That tells me we need a striker asap.

[philipl]

12 pages added in 13 hours. Who have we signed?

[Gav]

37 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

This time next year del boy..

He was right, £6.2million wasn't it?

We could do with that right now!

[Atko's Engine]

17 hours ago, pick32 said:

With the money we have brought in from Sales it’s 💯 our level if we had decent owners who don’t hide away in a different country 

Yeah but we do sadly, so the rest ofvtge club have to make do & mend as a consequence, hence to comments of Paul Mani & OOJW...

We all wish it were not so.

[onlyonejackwalker]

1 minute ago, Atko's Engine said:

Yeah but we do sadly, so the rest ofvtge club have to make do & mend as a consequence, hence to comments of Paul Mani & OOJW...

We all wish it were not so.

Morning. Yes we all wish it wasn't so. I'd love to take my grandson to the Rovers playing Premier League football.

However it is what it is.

The owners are currently owed circa £ 135 million by the club / company.

The owners commit to topping up a £ 21 million turnover business by £ 17.million to cover the operating losses each year,. 

The owners lose 45k per day keeping us operating at this level.

The owners do not make any money from the club. And never have, despite what folk would have you believe. If they can offset operating losses through the sale of assets they do so.

The Venkys will have spent north of £ 450 million in company and personal money since taking ownership.

Bradley Orr is happy, Danny Murphy is happy, Derek Shaw is happy, Owen Coyle is happy, Jerome Anderson is happy, Shebby Singh is happy,  Gary Bowyer is happy, Steve Kean is happy, Henning Berg is happy and a million and one other total wankers are happy as effing Larry with holiday homes in Portugal.

People who fleeced the club, contributed nothing and who never get mentioned anymore. A decades worth of incompetence. 30 million wiped off our turnover. 12,000 wiped off our crowds.

The owners are wholly to blame of course. They sacked Allardyce to save a million a year and because we got tonked at Old Trafford. They then recruited Kean. Thick as pig shit.

But the owners aren't happy. Nor are they secret Burnley fans being mean to us all. And we aren't happy. So we niggle each other on here because we don't sign 10 new players and turn £ 17 million losses into £ 37 million losses.

The business is not financially viable. We somehow need at £ 20 million player to sell each year to remain liquid. Its a financial shitstorm, there's no easy fix, there's no easy answers and there's no quick remedy.

Meanwhile, there are currently 24 better owners than ours in the footballing pyramid. And it could be argued there are currently 67 worse owners than ours. And they all lose money. 

Like everyone else, it's all on a wing and a prayer. We need a magician. Be it a low level signings, or a couple of loans, we need Eustace to pull rabbits out of his hat. We need a succession of astute decisions to try and nullify the gross negligence displayed for a decade or more.

I dont blame the owners for not trusting the idiots they recruit to manage their monies professionally. But they recruit them in the first place. And round and round we go.

Our captain earlier this year said if we had been a tad more clinical we'd be in the top two. This manager and group is targeting the play offs. I am certain we are going to get very close with our existing group of players. 

Eustace has helped me enjoy a football season again. 

[BigHoz]

47 minutes ago, philipl said:

12 pages added in 13 hours. Who have we signed?

Tony Mowbray 

[islander200]

Cornett is going to Genoa

[B16Rover]

3 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Cornett is going to Genoa

What does Boccadasse have over Brockhall?

[Mattyblue]

All gone a bit pear shaped for the owners, hasn’t it.. But no point changing course, just keep hold of it for another 15 years.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Cornett is going to Genoa

That’s ok by me. Just another quick player who’ll always be troubled by muscle injuries.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Was never a realistic target given his wages 

[roversfan99]

55 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Morning. Yes we all wish it wasn't so. I'd love to take my grandson to the Rovers playing Premier League football.

However it is what it is.

The owners are currently owed circa £ 135 million by the club / company.

The owners commit to topping up a £ 21 million turnover business by £ 17.million to cover the operating losses each year,. 

The owners lose 45k per day keeping us operating at this level.

The owners do not make any money from the club. And never have, despite what folk would have you believe. If they can offset operating losses through the sale of assets they do so.

The Venkys will have spent north of £ 450 million in company and personal money since taking ownership.

Bradley Orr is happy, Danny Murphy is happy, Derek Shaw is happy, Owen Coyle is happy, Jerome Anderson is happy, Shebby Singh is happy,  Gary Bowyer is happy, Steve Kean is happy, Henning Berg is happy and a million and one other total wankers are happy as effing Larry with holiday homes in Portugal.

People who fleeced the club, contributed nothing and who never get mentioned anymore. A decades worth of incompetence. 30 million wiped off our turnover. 12,000 wiped off our crowds.

The owners are wholly to blame of course. They sacked Allardyce to save a million a year and because we got tonked at Old Trafford. They then recruited Kean. Thick as pig shit.

But the owners aren't happy. Nor are they secret Burnley fans being mean to us all. And we aren't happy. So we niggle each other on here because we don't sign 10 new players and turn £ 17 million losses into £ 37 million losses.

The business is not financially viable. We somehow need at £ 20 million player to sell each year to remain liquid. Its a financial shitstorm, there's no easy fix, there's no easy answers and there's no quick remedy.

Meanwhile, there are currently 24 better owners than ours in the footballing pyramid. And it could be argued there are currently 67 worse owners than ours. And they all lose money. 

Like everyone else, it's all on a wing and a prayer. We need a magician. Be it a low level signings, or a couple of loans, we need Eustace to pull rabbits out of his hat. We need a succession of astute decisions to try and nullify the gross negligence displayed for a decade or more.

I dont blame the owners for not trusting the idiots they recruit to manage their monies professionally. But they recruit them in the first place. And round and round we go.

Our captain earlier this year said if we had been a tad more clinical we'd be in the top two. This manager and group is targeting the play offs. I am certain we are going to get very close with our existing group of players. 

Eustace has helped me enjoy a football season again. 

You mention about bickering about not making £17m losses into £37m losses by signing 10 more players, obviously an exaggerated comment.

But he thing is, if they reinvested more, that doesnt just equate to more losses. Quite the opposite. The primary way that a football club can reduce losses is by player trading. If you invest in fees, you have assets, it only takes maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 to really come good (when we have spent fees we have seen this ourselves) and you make a profit on all fees invested. So quite the contrary to investing money equalling higher losses, it not only improves us on the pitch, it more than likely leads to SMALLER losses.

Football as a business is a financial shit storm, basically if you are an owner you will have to subsidise losses. Our owners dont deserve praise for that. 19 of the 20 Premier League clubs are even doing it at the top level and the exception only doesnt due to government funding.

[ben_the_beast]

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

The owners commit to topping up a £ 21 million turnover business by £ 17.million to cover the operating losses each year,.

Not for what is going on two years they've not. We're running at a profit. The argument people have is that sensible investment both keeps the team strong but also creates assets we can develop, sell in the future and reinvest. 

I'm not sure why you would include this line in here. Sure, that's been the case in the past, but in our current situation it is absolutely untrue. 

[onlyonejackwalker]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You mention about bickering about not making £17m losses into £37m losses by signing 10 more players, obviously an exaggerated comment.

But he thing is, if they reinvested more, that doesnt just equate to more losses. Quite the opposite. The primary way that a football club can reduce losses is by player trading. If you invest in fees, you have assets, it only takes maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 to really come good (when we have spent fees we have seen this ourselves) and you make a profit on all fees invested. So quite the contrary to investing money equalling higher losses, it not only improves us on the pitch, it more than likely leads to SMALLER losses.

Football as a business is a financial shit storm, basically if you are an owner you will have to subsidise losses. Our owners dont deserve praise for that. 19 of the 20 Premier League clubs are even doing it at the top level and the exception only doesnt due to government funding.

Yes it was an exaggerated comment. Yes successful player trading is hugely beneficial. Yes owners have to subsidise losses as does any business owner.

You think Gueye is useless. You don't rate Ohashi. You think Leonard should be on loan in League One. However, two of these players represent our recent attempts at buying cheap to hopefully sell on.

Ww could spend 10 million in January and still not make the play offs. Under JW we had the most expensive squad in the division and only scraped unto the play offs via an away win at Plymouth.

[London blue]

9 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Yes it was an exaggerated comment. Yes successful player trading is hugely beneficial. Yes owners have to subsidise losses as does any business owner.

You think Gueye is useless. You don't rate Ohashi. You think Leonard should be on loan in League One. However, two of these players represent our recent attempts at buying cheap to hopefully sell on.

Ww could spend 10 million in January and still not make the play offs. Under JW we had the most expensive squad in the division and only scraped unto the play offs via an away win at Plymouth.

The point being that one big profit off of a successful purchase can negate - and hopefully, exceed - losses on any duds.

[onlyonejackwalker]

2 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

Not for what is going on two years they've not. We're running at a profit. The argument people have is that sensible investment both keeps the team strong but also creates assets we can develop, sell in the future and reinvest. 

I'm not sure why you would include this line in here. Sure, that's been the case in the past, but in our current situation it is absolutely untrue. 

17 million losses x 2 years = 34 million.

Minus Wharton 18 rising to 22 million, Sammie 9 million plus add ons, Raya 5 million.

18 + 9 + 5 = 32 million.

Plus increased TV revenue = small profit.

Ben iif your £ 135.00 million down over 13 years, then make £ 2 million in year 14 do you believe you are now in profit? Plus you need the 2 mullion to help offset the next 12 months 17 million losses.

Anyway it's not rocket science. We are skint, unless the owners decide to wax their own money in ever increasing amounts.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

17 million losses x 2 years = 34 million.

Minus Wharton 18 rising to 22 million, Sammie 9 million plus add ons, Raya 5 million.

18 + 9 + 5 = 32 million.

Plus increased TV revenue = small profit.

Ben iif your £ 135.00 million down over 13 years, then make £ 2 million in year 14 do you believe you are now in profit? Plus you need the 2 mullion to help offset the next 12 months 17 million losses.

Anyway it's not rocket science. We are skint, unless the owners decide to wax their own money in ever increasing amounts.

Your last paragraph is the issue venkys have a net worth of around 2billion 

they don’t care for rovers 

they have zero ambition 

[roversfan99]

17 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Yes it was an exaggerated comment. Yes successful player trading is hugely beneficial. Yes owners have to subsidise losses as does any business owner.

You think Gueye is useless. You don't rate Ohashi. You think Leonard should be on loan in League One. However, two of these players represent our recent attempts at buying cheap to hopefully sell on.

Ww could spend 10 million in January and still not make the play offs. Under JW we had the most expensive squad in the division and only scraped unto the play offs via an away win at Plymouth.

Whether I rate Gueye and Ohashi or not, as has been touched on, one success and youve more than covered those. The 2 combined cost just over £1m, Ohashi in particular didnt scream potential future asset, hes 28 and cost a nominal fee.

And obviously its not an exact science. But spend reasonable money and not only are we stronger now but theres likely a chance we can reduce our losses whilst benefitting in the mean time.

Last time we spent anything reasonable, it was £4m on 3 players. For that, we have made a good profit on one player who scored lots of goals while here and covered the expenditure on 2 current and important first team players. 

[Dreams of 1995]

23 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Yes it was an exaggerated comment. Yes successful player trading is hugely beneficial. Yes owners have to subsidise losses as does any business owner.

You think Gueye is useless. You don't rate Ohashi. You think Leonard should be on loan in League One. However, two of these players represent our recent attempts at buying cheap to hopefully sell on.

Ww could spend 10 million in January and still not make the play offs. Under JW we had the most expensive squad in the division and only scraped unto the play offs via an away win at Plymouth.

When we spent on Szmodics we also had months of hearing he was a waste of money too

[roversfan99]

Has absolutely no relevance whatsoever.

[Gav]

1 minute ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

When we spent on Szmodics we also had months of hearing he was a waste of money too

Spot on.

Whilst I don’t think the new signings are useless, I believe they are not good enough to get us promoted, but that is the market we operate in this days.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

When we spent on Szmodics we also had months of hearing he was a waste of money too

When he came at first and was playing a slightly deeper role he was pretty ordinary. It was only when we pushed him further forward to the left of the front line that he became the goal scoring machine we all loved.

[roversfan99]

Even those defending him at the time wouldnt have predicted what happened, especially as he hadnt done anything like that before. When you spend a decent fee for the first time in ages for someone mainly sat on the bench and once or twice out of the squad for the first half season, it doesnt warrant this mockery out of hindsight, they were valid concerns.

[wilsdenrover]

Unless we sell a Wharton every year the club is always going to run at some sort of loss.

The only chance of changing this is to get promoted to the PL. 

Given we’ve plenty of FFP wriggle room (my guesstimate is we could spend around £8 million on fees/increased wages) we should be giving the above ‘a right good go’**

** so far the transfer window would suggest SW and the owners don’t intend to do so -  hopefully I’m just being impatient…

 

Edited 15 minutes ago by wilsdenrover

[Southside Rover]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Even those defending him at the time wouldnt have predicted what happened, especially as he hadnt done anything like that before. When you spend a decent fee for the first time in ages for someone mainly sat on the bench and once or twice out of the squad for the first half season, it doesnt warrant this mockery out of hindsight, they were valid concerns.

That's very true. I knew of Szmodics a couple of years before he joined as I live near Peterborough. 

I know he got goals from midfield and thought he would be worth a gamble but would have only hoped for 10-12 goals a season.

But it's even beyond that, he ran his heart out for the club and he gave his all for the shirt as well which was worth as much as the 30+ goals he scored.