January Transfer window

[onlyonejackwalker]

23 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

There's no need to be so condescending. I quite clearly wasn't stating their purchase of the club has been a profitable acquisition. I was simply pointing out that they are not currently pumping in £20 odd million a year in our current situation and haven't done for some time. This is what your original post alluded. 

Your final paragraph is exactly why I and the majority of others are making the counter argument. Modest reinvestment of funds spent wisely creates assets, meaning the levels of investment required, even just to tread water are lower. 

It's not rocket science mate!

You said I was untruthful. Now condescending. Anything else?

Yet i didn't allude to anything. I said they commit to cover 17 million in losses each year. Which is correct.

We are ALL already aware that judicious re-investment in players can be beneficial. It's not a new footballing development.

[onlyonejackwalker]

2 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

You heard the term "sunk costs"

Yes. They fall under other expenses in our accounts not player salaries, or player trading.

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

Forgetting that you’ve always been harsh on players, If our club needs to find an extra 15/20m  of income a season just to break even, investing all of your transfer income would mean there’s still a black hole, so you’d need to sell someone to keep the lights on. Investing money doesn’t simply mean = reward.

Regardless of posters telling us FFP only exists for those without ambition, if you’re haemorrhaging cash, you’re haemorrhaging talent if you’re not  promoted. We should know, it’s happening every season. With a transfer embargo we wouldn’t even be able to replace with modest sums (as we have recently).

If we invested 50% of our transfer income and kept the wage bill exactly the same, you’d still need to sell 30m a season to get near to the amount necessary to avoid the owners putting cash in.

If we’re happy to let the owners continue to cover that shortfall (I personally can’t think of anything worse), I’d imagine we will spend between 25/50% of our player receipts anyway - judging by last summer that was the case.
 

Also there are agreements we might not be privy too, Adam Wharton’s deal (which was a lacklustre fee ) has been structured over 5 years too, we wouldn’t know without seeing the figures, how much of that Raya bonus, or the smods and Gally money we’ve seen so far.

Final key caveat  btw - wage bill. The minute we’re in a tangle for a player who is available and likely proven to succeed in the league, we’d have to smash our entire wage system to even come near to any parachute payment club if they’re interested. Remember Anel Ahmehodzic or whatever he’s called?

Final point I would make is look at the eye watering sums that leeds and Burnley made in selling players last summer, look at the talent they still have and the sums they’ve reinvested. There is no fair playing field in the champ.

In July Waggott said the money would be ‘coming soon’ but over three yearly instalments.

Edited 8 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[wilsdenrover]

51 minutes ago, JBiz said:

If you believe we signed; Gueye, Ohashi, Weimann, Ba’ath, Cantwell, Toth for less than 2m then Im stumped.

That also doesn’t take into account any loan fees paid for Baker, ACD and Beck. Loans aren’t an “investment” but find us three players as good as that for less than 10m and you’d be world class scout.

My personal guess would’ve been that we spent around 5m last summer, which if you include 5m from an instalment on Wharton, that’s probably 33%.
 

We made a net £4.75 million in the summer (Venky Londons’ accounts)

So Smozdics + Gallagher + Leo - £4.75 million = £6ish million??

[jny]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

In July Waggott said the money would be ‘coming soon’ but over three yearly instalments.

Funny how we can't seem to sign players ourselves in yearly installments. 

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, jny said:

Funny how we can't seem to sign players ourselves in yearly installments. 

the football world revolves around installments,swag with his customary bull****

[wilsdenrover]

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

the football world revolves around installments,swag with his customary bull****

Wasn’t this Rudy’s bullshit?

Waggott confirmed instalments not an issue as they ‘work both ways’

(Please don’t think I’m defending him, I most certainly am not!)

[waynerovers]

Need the 3 points with both Boro and Watford leading.

edit. wrong thread. again

Edited 8 hours ago by waynerovers

[simongarnerisgod]

8 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Wasn’t this Rudy’s bullshit?

Waggott confirmed instalments not an issue as they ‘work both ways’

(Please don’t think I’m defending him, I most certainly am not!)

waggot or rudi,they all speak ***** in the corridors of ewood!!!!!!!!!!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Just a thought..

This lot cant/wont even maintain the upkeep of the Stadium but we are expecting them to splash Millions on Transfers?

They dont give a fook.

[rob_of_the_rovers]

Asante started and scored so that's him not coming. Plus now we need another CM if Tronstad is crocked.

[Fraserkirky]

Should have had my mortgage on Asante to score today.

[K-Hod]

3 hours ago, JBiz said:

We want rid of them, why would you want them to put more money in?

If we get promoted, they get their money back.
Pretty obvious, really.

[Hasta]

We knew Baker was going back to Stoke a few days before he was recalled. Now we know that Tronstadt could be out for a few weeks, and that Forshaw makes Baker look like Patrick Viera, let’s hope it wakes a few people up.

As I said at the time, we didn’t need a ‘squad player’. We needed a player who would be first choice for January, and then again if either Trav or Sondre got injured. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Hasta

[RoversClitheroe]

Foreshaw not good enough.

Struggle to see what Cantwell brings.

ST,LW,CM,LB, CAM needed.

Edited 7 hours ago by RoversClitheroe

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

If you believe we signed; Gueye, Ohashi, Weimann, Ba’ath, Cantwell, Toth for less than 2m then Im stumped.

That also doesn’t take into account any loan fees paid for Baker, ACD and Beck. Loans aren’t an “investment” but find us three players as good as that for less than 10m and you’d be world class scout.

My personal guess would’ve been that we spent around 5m last summer, which if you include 5m from an instalment on Wharton, that’s probably 33%.
 

In fees, yes. Gueye was £1m and the others were 6 figure fees. 

This installment nonsense, are our incoming transfers not also in installments? We sold Wharton for £18m rising to £22m, the Szmodics for £9m, then Gallagher for £1m then the Raya £4-5m. Over £30m. And spent about £2m in fees. Incoming and outgoing all in installments. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

It’s ok though there’s 17 days left I keep getting told - when will our recruitment team and some fans alike wake up and see this current squad is struggling - baffles me some people defend it 

Pompey game was a rescheduled fixture which the couldn’t account for 

of the block of games within the window excluding the cup game were 0/1 

[roversfan99]

Definitely need a midfielder with Tronstad now injured. Forshaw isnt the answer.

And im guessing if Thomas Asante was the main target, its time to look elsewhere.

[ItsRoverZ]

Our shite recruitment and how slow we are at bringing in players will cost us dearly and see us slide down the table, JE will walk at the end of the season and we are back to square one, or worse with how many players are almost out of contract. Shameful from the club, fuck the lot of them.

[Scoobydo]

4 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Foreshaw not good enough.

Struggle to see what Cantwell brings.

ST,LW,CM,LB, CAM needed.

How can you struggle to see what Cantwell brings. Needs better forward players around him but he’s by far our best footballer

[BigHoz]

6 points dropped since the jan window opened, knowing full what’s needed. 
 

scrimped a couple of cheapos in who probs won’t have much effect on the squad.

 

GET some pace in the squad and a striker now. For those that are saying quality comes towards the end of the window, RUBBISH. weve known as a club what is needed way before jan, you know that x amount of millions in sales we’ve done recently, pay an extra million or whatever for what’s needed now, a club that’s missed out on playoffs due to goal difference recently and people want to wait.. you make people become available by offering what’s needed especially when you’ve depleted the squad and rinsed millions out of it. Joke of a club. 
 

probs add another CM to that growing list also 👍

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, Scoobydo said:

How can you struggle to see what Cantwell brings. Needs better forward players around him but he’s by far our best footballer

What does he bring?

Some nice touches, no eye for goal, no physicality and constantly loses the ball?

[booth]

7 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

We've just won the first !

And fucked up the second with a point lost thanks to one of our signings.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Cantwell does too much 

I think that’s a product of having little outlet he still shouldn’t do it may I add but with at least one fast winger around it would cut out the needless running into traffic 

But he needs to do more 

[JHRover]

Anyone who seriously believes that we were willing or able to spend a multi-million fee to persuade Coventry to sell Asante and get their outlay back on him (at least) and then commit to giving him a contract at least as long and well paid as he is already on at Coventry needs to give their head a wobble. 

Anyone falling for it, and I include the coaching staff in this, are simply falling victim to the Venky/Waggott ruse again. They ain't spending that. They will pretend they can/will, they will string people along including fans, manager, other clubs and their players. They aren't parting with cash or committing to such things.

Its January and February that we truly get to witness the fruits of Venky ownership and management as we inevitably slide away and waste another season. Such a shame but nobody can be surprised.

Totally unacceptable to be almost 3 weeks into the January window and have not done anything to strengthen. It's cost us already and will continue to over the rest of the season.