January Transfer window

[roverblue]

Wingers please, one for each side that have lots of pace and directness to get crosses in the box. Guessing it will be loans given Venkys still aren't putting any money in.

[jim mk2]

Two more forwards please - good ones. Guere and the Japanese lad are not up to standard and the team struggles to score goals. 

[Dreams of 1995]

Oh yes, silly season is back again

> We are linked with ........

> Who believes Nicko??

> Rovers due to spend £50bn warchest

> Rovers fail to land deadline day superstar

> Rovers net spend -£5m

We all know the score

[martonrover]

20 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

makes you wonder is it worth it anymore,nothing against eustace but the whole club is set up for not trying to achieve anything and i think eustace is content to just be a coach with no pressure on him

Eustace is doing the best he can to have us competing in this Division.

He's on record as saying he still wants more players in to help us become more competitive.

Given our circumstances, we're in much safer hands than we were this time last season.

A pragmatist who knows the Division and who is doing his best.

[roverandout]

Where's gav? As gav would say venkys out nothing else matters 

[aletheia]

On 28/10/2024 at 18:22, martonrover said:

Eustace is doing the best he can to have us competing in this Division.

...surviving in this division....

Previous manager gave us a glimpse of possibility until the Raos made sure it all went JG Ballard...

Normal service resumed. Not to say he isn't doing a reasonable job under the circumstances. Just expect some turgidity.

[Old Codger]

Turgidity! 🤣

I don't think it will be as flowing as that, to be fair.. It will be full, but not with liquid (unless you count the Venksters taking the pish as liquid). More likely to be flatulent, than turgid, methinks.

Anyway, unless there are outgoings, I don't expect there will be any incomings. That's just the way it is now, down Ewood way.

[simongarnerisgod]

27 minutes ago, aletheia said:

...surviving in this division....

Previous manager gave us a glimpse of possibility until the Raos made sure it all went JG Ballard...

Normal service resumed. Not to say he isn't doing a reasonable job under the circumstances. Just expect some turgidity.

i suspect at the moment eustace is quite content to just have a job with no pressure,he`ll run his contract down here,leaving with a good reputation and he`ll get a better job at a club that actually wants to build something

[Upside Down]

6 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

Turgidity! 🤣

I don't think it will be as flowing as that, to be fair.. It will be full, but not with liquid (unless you count the Venksters taking the pish as liquid). More likely to be flatulent, than turgid, methinks.

Anyway, unless there are outgoings, I don't expect there will be any incomings. That's just the way it is now, down Ewood way.

Don't expect incomings even if there are outgoings.

[Southside Rover]

I strongly suspect one deal is already done. I think Ryo Germain has already agreed to join on a free with his contract expiring in January. Stays to help Jubilo stay up and then joins Ohashi here.

Scoring goals in a struggling team, can head and has a bit of pace but not the quickest. Already announced as a signing in August then went quiet....

[bluebruce]

On 28/10/2024 at 16:57, Dreams of 1995 said:

Oh yes, silly season is back again

> We are linked with ........

> Who believes Nicko??

> Rovers due to spend £50bn warchest

> Rovers fail to land deadline day superstar

> Rovers net spend -£5m

We all know the score

I think we would struggle to have a net spend of minus 5 mill at the moment. That would probably have to be about 3 players sold, maybe more. At the moment, no single player could be sold for 5 mill or more. Our most valuable asset on paper is Carter and he's just been injured for 2-3 months, so nobody will be taking big money gambits on him in January.

It would take someone else setting the league on fire pretty much from Saturday onwards to warrant anything like that kind of money.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Southside Rover said:

I strongly suspect one deal is already done. I think Ryo Germain has already agreed to join on a free with his contract expiring in January. Stays to help Jubilo stay up and then joins Ohashi here.

Scoring goals in a struggling team, can head and has a bit of pace but not the quickest. Already announced as a signing in August then went quiet....

Whilst I agree there may be something lined up, I don't believe he was actually announced as a signing. There were reports it was done, but no announcement from the club, which is what would make it 'announced as a signing'.

At the time, I got the impression everything was in place but we didn't pull the trigger. I suspect this was either the budget didn't allow it, someone else was signed that fit the bill (can't remember who we signed after that point), or we decided we might as well have him for absolutely nothing in January instead.

I notice he's not top scorer in the J League anymore, down to 3rd on 17 goals. He has just scored 2 goals in his last game (or the last one on transfermarkt anyway) after going 6 games without scoring. Looks a bit like he scores in flurries. Of his 17 goals, 4 came in one game, and he's scored 2 goals on 4 occasions. Meaning 12 of his 17 goals came in 5 games. I wonder if that suggests inconsistency. Looks like he either destroys teams or doesn't do much, purely looking at those stats of course which is incomplete. He has zero assists this season. Of course, his team are struggling as you said, 3rd from bottom which would see them relegated, and that could be a factor in the inconsistency of end product.

Looks like the J League finishes on 8th December, so signing him in January would be the equivalent of signing someone very early in our summer transfer window, but expecting them to play immediately without a preseason (though we'd perhaps bring him in slowly if he'd rested first). Mind you, we'll be expecting Ohashi to have essentially played nearly 15 straight months without a break by the end of the season (J League started in Feb), when the usual is 9 months. For a club known for going into the final third of a season poorly, signing both these lads is a risk in that sense. He's also 29 (30 by end of our season), and Ohashi 28, you have to wonder how their bodies will hold up.

[lraC]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Whilst I agree there may be something lined up, I don't believe he was actually announced as a signing. There were reports it was done, but no announcement from the club, which is what would make it 'announced as a signing'.

At the time, I got the impression everything was in place but we didn't pull the trigger. I suspect this was either the budget didn't allow it, someone else was signed that fit the bill (can't remember who we signed after that point), or we decided we might as well have him for absolutely nothing in January instead.

I notice he's not top scorer in the J League anymore, down to 3rd on 17 goals. He has just scored 2 goals in his last game (or the last one on transfermarkt anyway) after going 6 games without scoring. Looks a bit like he scores in flurries. Of his 17 goals, 4 came in one game, and he's scored 2 goals on 4 occasions. Meaning 12 of his 17 goals came in 5 games. I wonder if that suggests inconsistency. Looks like he either destroys teams or doesn't do much, purely looking at those stats of course which is incomplete. He has zero assists this season. Of course, his team are struggling as you said, 3rd from bottom which would see them relegated, and that could be a factor in the inconsistency of end product.

Looks like the J League finishes on 8th December, so signing him in January would be the equivalent of signing someone very early in our summer transfer window, but expecting them to play immediately without a preseason (though we'd perhaps bring him in slowly if he'd rested first). Mind you, we'll be expecting Ohashi to have essentially played nearly 15 straight months without a break by the end of the season (J League started in Feb), when the usual is 9 months. For a club known for going into the final third of a season poorly, signing both these lads is a risk in that sense. He's also 29 (30 by end of our season), and Ohashi 28, you have to wonder how their bodies will hold up.

It must be horrible being as old as them two!!!

[bluebruce]

25 minutes ago, lraC said:

It must be horrible being as old as them two!!!

🤣 Spring chickens to me and thee, but coming into their later years as professional footballers. They won't handle 15 month seasons like a 21 year old was my point.

[martonrover]

11 hours ago, aletheia said:

...surviving in this division....

Previous manager gave us a glimpse of possibility until the Raos made sure it all went JG Ballard...

Normal service resumed. Not to say he isn't doing a reasonable job under the circumstances. Just expect some turgidity.

Around and around it goes.

JDT's first season was very good on the whole, but we still endured a spectacular capitulation at the business end.

We absolutely did not look like promotion material when it mattered.

Okay, we had a poor January Window, but that still didn't excuse such a poor run, and for me it set the scene for the following season.

At the moment we are doing a little more than just surviving.

Yes,. it can be a turgid watch because we have to cut our cloth accordingly, and the Head Coach quite rightly makes the main objective being difficult to beat.

We all know that any manager / head coach has a very difficult job under these owners, but we currently have one who is the right fit for our circumstances.

It's not good enough in the bigger picture, but surely better to have someone who can make the best of a bad job.

[Moptop1]

Spoke to someone who’s a Peterborough fan at work. He said, unsure if Poku can make the step up to the Championship. 

Plus, whatever’s he is worth, the Chairman will add another million to the transfer fee.

If it becomes a bidding war, this will count us out getting him. 

[Laurence]

14 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Whilst I agree there may be something lined up, I don't believe he was actually announced as a signing. There were reports it was done, but no announcement from the club, which is what would make it 'announced as a signing'.

 

Here's one of the links about Ryo Germain, the source was "transfer guru Alan Nixon" so I think we know what that means: https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-agree-transfer-deal-for-japanese-striker-ryo-germain/

Edited October 30, 2024 by Laurence

[Lucimo]

17 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Whilst I agree there may be something lined up, I don't believe he was actually announced as a signing. There were reports it was done, but no announcement from the club, which is what would make it 'announced as a signing'.

At the time, I got the impression everything was in place but we didn't pull the trigger. I suspect this was either the budget didn't allow it, someone else was signed that fit the bill (can't remember who we signed after that point), or we decided we might as well have him for absolutely nothing in January instead.

I notice he's not top scorer in the J League anymore, down to 3rd on 17 goals. He has just scored 2 goals in his last game (or the last one on transfermarkt anyway) after going 6 games without scoring. Looks a bit like he scores in flurries. Of his 17 goals, 4 came in one game, and he's scored 2 goals on 4 occasions. Meaning 12 of his 17 goals came in 5 games. I wonder if that suggests inconsistency. Looks like he either destroys teams or doesn't do much, purely looking at those stats of course which is incomplete. He has zero assists this season. Of course, his team are struggling as you said, 3rd from bottom which would see them relegated, and that could be a factor in the inconsistency of end product.

Looks like the J League finishes on 8th December, so signing him in January would be the equivalent of signing someone very early in our summer transfer window, but expecting them to play immediately without a preseason (though we'd perhaps bring him in slowly if he'd rested first). Mind you, we'll be expecting Ohashi to have essentially played nearly 15 straight months without a break by the end of the season (J League started in Feb), when the usual is 9 months. For a club known for going into the final third of a season poorly, signing both these lads is a risk in that sense. He's also 29 (30 by end of our season), and Ohashi 28, you have to wonder how their bodies will hold up.

I may be wrong and probably am, but did the signing of Toth not affect the Germain deal,  as we didn't have an overseas slot available.

[KentExile]

38 minutes ago, Lucimo said:

I may be wrong and probably am, but did the signing of Toth not affect the Germain deal,  as we didn't have an overseas slot available.

Sigurdsson played enough games & minutes last season to qualify for a standard work permit rather that the ESC place he originally took up, so it then becomes a case of if the powers that be at Rovers applied for one or not

Edited October 30, 2024 by KentExile

[Lucimo]

16 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Sigurdsson played enough games & minutes last season to qualify for a standard work permit rather that the ESC place he originally took up, so it then becomes a case of if the powers that be at Rovers applied for one or not

I did say I'd probably be wrong🤣

[bluebruce]

4 minutes ago, Lucimo said:

I did say I'd probably be wrong🤣

Don't be so sure...the powers that be may very well have not applied for one! I feel like the discussion concluded we probably had one slot even without it though.

Tronstadt didn't need one, he qualified anyway.  Toth just replaces Wahlstedt. Did either of Ohashi or Gueye qualify without the exemption? If not then Siggy takes us to 4 slots.

Hang on, wasn't there Mafoumbi too? Surely we don't have 5 slots...I feel like one of these players must have qualified for an exemption. I think youth players are subject to slightly different rules so maybe Mafoumbi got a permit.

Otherwise we have Toth, Ohashi, Gueye, Siggy and Mafoumbi...so the only other explanation would be if Siggy's permit got sorted.

Edited October 30, 2024 by bluebruce

[KentExile]

53 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Don't be so sure...the powers that be may very well have not applied for one! I feel like the discussion concluded we probably had one slot even without it though.

Tronstadt didn't need one, he qualified anyway.  Toth just replaces Wahlstedt. Did either of Ohashi or Gueye qualify without the exemption? If not then Siggy takes us to 4 slots.

Hang on, wasn't there Mafoumbi too? Surely we don't have 5 slots...I feel like one of these players must have qualified for an exemption. I think youth players are subject to slightly different rules so maybe Mafoumbi got a permit.

Otherwise we have Toth, Ohashi, Gueye, Siggy and Mafoumbi...so the only other explanation would be if Siggy's permit got sorted.

Rovers get 4 ESC slots (which is the maximum available.  Its based on how many minutes English qualifying players played in recent season/s)

Ohashi, Toth, Mafoumbi all take up an ESC spot each

Gueye & Tronstad qualified for standard work permits as they played enough games in the Belgian & Dutch leagues which are a good enough standard.

So we either have one space left, or none, depending on if the admin work has been done in converting Sigurdsson, from an ESC slot to a standard work permit

Unfortunately, we know how good Rovers are at getting admin right

 

Edit - I will add a caveat.  It is possible that as Sigurdsson signed permanently on 22nd December (having originally been a loan), that we cannot move him to a standard work permit until the anniversary of his permanent move. 

 

The criteria for moving a player from an ESC slot to a standard work permit is that they must have featured in 50% of the minutes that they were available to play.  This means that:

- If Rovers could move Sigurdsson to a standard work permit over the summer (after he had been at Rovers for 12 months), then he qualified for a standard work permit and we now have a free slot to use in January.

- If Rovers have to wait until December (after he had been permanently at Rovers for 12 months) to move him, (or if they neglected to do so over the summer) then he would no longer qualify due to a lack of minutes this season

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arnor-sigurdsson/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/377665/saison//verein/0/liga/0/wettbewerb/GB2/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1

24/25		Championship		9	5	1.00	1	-	-	5	-	-	-	-	-	57'	57'
23/24		Championship		30	29	1.07	5	2	-	12	12	1	-	-	-	291'	1.456'

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by KentExile

[wilsdenrover]

38 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Rovers get 4 ESC slots (which is the maximum available.  Its based on how many minutes English qualifying players played in recent season/s)

Ohashi, Toth, Mafoumbi all take up an ESC spot each

Gueye & Tronstad qualified for standard work permits as they played enough games in the Belgian & Dutch leagues which are a good enough standard.

So we either have one space left, or none, depending on if the admin work has been done in converting Sigurdsson, from an ESC slot to a standard work permit

Unfortunately, we know how good Rovers are at getting admin right

 

Edit - I will add a caveat.  It is possible that as Sigurdsson signed permanently on 22nd December (having originally been a loan), that we cannot move him to a standard work permit until the anniversary of his permanent move. 

 

The criteria for moving a player from an ESC slot to a standard work permit is that they must have featured in 50% of the minutes that they were available to play.  This means that:

- If Rovers could move Sigurdsson to a standard work permit over the summer (after he had been at Rovers for 12 months), then he qualified for a standard work permit and we now have a free slot to use in January.

- If Rovers have to wait until December (after he had been permanently at Rovers for 12 months) to move him, (or if they neglected to do so over the summer) then he would no longer qualify due to a lack of minutes this season

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arnor-sigurdsson/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/377665/saison//verein/0/liga/0/wettbewerb/GB2/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1

24/25		Championship		9	5	1.00	1	-	-	5	-	-	-	-	-	57'	57'
23/24		Championship		30	29	1.07	5	2	-	12	12	1	-	-	-	291'	1.456'

 

The first part of the requirement is:

Surely this indicates the first of your scenarios must be correct (ie the date of initial registration is the relevant one) 

Which brings us back to…has the club acted upon this??

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Rovers get 4 ESC slots (which is the maximum available.  Its based on how many minutes English qualifying players played in recent season/s)

Ohashi, Toth, Mafoumbi all take up an ESC spot each

Gueye & Tronstad qualified for standard work permits as they played enough games in the Belgian & Dutch leagues which are a good enough standard.

So we either have one space left, or none, depending on if the admin work has been done in converting Sigurdsson, from an ESC slot to a standard work permit

Unfortunately, we know how good Rovers are at getting admin right

 

Edit - I will add a caveat.  It is possible that as Sigurdsson signed permanently on 22nd December (having originally been a loan), that we cannot move him to a standard work permit until the anniversary of his permanent move. 

 

The criteria for moving a player from an ESC slot to a standard work permit is that they must have featured in 50% of the minutes that they were available to play.  This means that:

- If Rovers could move Sigurdsson to a standard work permit over the summer (after he had been at Rovers for 12 months), then he qualified for a standard work permit and we now have a free slot to use in January.

- If Rovers have to wait until December (after he had been permanently at Rovers for 12 months) to move him, (or if they neglected to do so over the summer) then he would no longer qualify due to a lack of minutes this season

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arnor-sigurdsson/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/377665/saison//verein/0/liga/0/wettbewerb/GB2/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1

24/25		Championship		9	5	1.00	1	-	-	5	-	-	-	-	-	57'	57'
23/24		Championship		30	29	1.07	5	2	-	12	12	1	-	-	-	291'	1.456'

 

Sorry to quote the same post again but I wanted to add some further info re the bit I’ve emboldened this time!

That part of the regulations begins with the wording ‘the ESC player has, within the 12 months following the date on which he was granted a GBE’

Further proof (if any was needed) that your first scenario was the correct one…

Edited October 30, 2024 by wilsdenrover

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

The first part of the requirement is:

Surely this indicates the first of your scenarios must be correct (ie the date of initial registration is the relevant one) 

Which brings us back to…has the club acted upon this??

Which in turn leaves the door open for Mr Cockup...if we didn't apply for it in the summer, I assume we couldn't apply for it now regardless of what the terms were at the time he became eligible, as he no longer qualifies. I have to presume his numbers would be calculated at the time we applied.

We know we like leaving the door open for Mr Cockup, and this would leave us with no free slots unless we shunt someone out.

I feel confident, if that's the right word, that the club didn't get this permit sorted in the summer. Purely because it seems like the sort of thing that would have been announced or at least told to the LT. So hopefully the permit is assessed from the prior season not the prior 12 months, and of course, hopefully someone is competent enough to get it done.