January Transfer window

[Theaxe15]

7 minutes ago, Polky said:

It’s amazing how little insight someone can offer in so many words 

[AVE1875]

Just now, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I called this about a week ago

the narrative will be the injuries waggott is so predictable that it’s quite laughable really

 

I received a very similar email yesterday hence the post I put on here earlier today about the narrative surrounding initially wanting to improve the attacking and referencing injuries.

I had replied hoping for a further response but haven't received one yet.

At least some communication has been released to the fans, a positive to take at the very (very) least.

[Southside Rover]

4 minutes ago, Trinidad Rover said:

The concise version: 

‘we won’t spend anything so can’t get anything better than we currently have. Players coming back will be the new signings. So stop whinging and accept your fate’

Quite accurate but perhaps with the addition, be grateful

[Rogerb]

Kargbo has 4 goals in seventeen appearances for Sierra Leone ranked 129th in FIFA world rankings just ahead of Cyprus to give some context.

[Polky]

3 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Kargbo has 4 goals in seventeen appearances for Sierra Leone ranked 129th in FIFA world rankings just ahead of Cyprus to give some context.

He’ll fit right in with our other attackers.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

14 minutes ago, AVE1875 said:

I received a very similar email yesterday hence the post I put on here earlier today about the narrative surrounding initially wanting to improve the attacking and referencing injuries.

I had replied hoping for a further response but haven't received one yet.

At least some communication has been released to the fans, a positive to take at the very (very) least.

I don’t take it as a positive to be honest it comes across as being under pressure (assume JE) and fans also 

I’d say bayes and Elliot have maybe sent request for statements but his response doesn’t say anything really that we don’t already know 

if he had any bollox at all (we know he doesn’t) he comes out live and addresses the concerns not hiding behind a written and very open ended statement

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Kargbo has 4 goals in seventeen appearances for Sierra Leone ranked 129th in FIFA world rankings just ahead of Cyprus to give some context.

he won`t be coming,cesena want more than we have originally offered,as we know,that lot at ewood could`nt negotiate who makes the breaktime coffee between themselves

[Cherry Blue]

27 minutes ago, Trinidad Rover said:

The concise version: 

‘we won’t spend anything so can’t get anything better than we currently have. Players coming back will be the new signings. So stop whinging and accept your fate’

and he uses the words

"As is always the case in this very limited January winter window". does he mean

"as usual my hands are tied and therefore i'm not to blame for this lack of abilitity?

Edited 4 hours ago by Cherry Blue

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

 

if he had any bollox at all (we know he doesn’t) he comes out live and addresses the concerns not hiding behind a written and very open ended statement

In fairness the concerns can only be addressed by players being signed no matter what Waggott said in that statement 

[Rover down South]

The message back to Waggott should be, if the club aren’t prepared to spend, don’t expect the fans to either.

Remember these January windows when you are renewing your season tickets and purchasing your next shirt.

[KentExile]

23 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Kargbo has 4 goals in seventeen appearances for Sierra Leone ranked 129th in FIFA world rankings just ahead of Cyprus to give some context.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Polky said:

He’ll fit right in with our other attackers.

 

5 in 21 apparently, not that it makes much difference

3 goals in his last 6 games though, but they are not against international heavyweights, 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/augustus-kargbo/nationalmannschaft/spieler/549791

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[BankEnd Rover]

27 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Kargbo has 4 goals in seventeen appearances for Sierra Leone ranked 129th in FIFA world rankings just ahead of Cyprus to give some context.

 Not sure this is a fair assessment. The lad can't help where he was born 😂 it's not like Nigeria can sign him.

Edited 4 hours ago by BankEnd Rover

[onlyonejackwalker]

2 hours ago, miqaayil said:

i've always stated guys ...the V's consider themselves royalties and upper caste in a deeply caste rooted environment and the snowball incident was like a revolt by commoners which left a deep rooted hate for us ...and this deathless slow death is a form of punishment ... we were always a financial vehicle with boasting rights ...they were never interested in football , thier hometown club PUNE FC died few years ago. 

Some nefarious a.hole used their clout with SBI and took instrument for foreign investment and Vs were on for free publicity and bragging rights. This is what i believe is happening ...

In the trading year 18 / 19 the company turned over 16.7 million. With costs of circa 33 million. Pre-trading loss of 16.1 million. We lost a further 1.6 million on player trading. Total loss of 18+ million.

In the trading year 19 / 20 the company turned over 13.5 million. With costs of circa 34.2 million. Pre-trading losses of 20.1 million. We lost a further 1.2 million on player trading. Total loss of 21+ million.

In the trading year 20 / 21 the company turned over 14.5 million. With costs of circa 33.5 million. Pre-trading loss of 15.6 million. 13 million came in from player trading, but we also spent  3.5 million on player trading. Total loss of 6.6 million.

In the trading year 21 / 22 the company turned over 16.6 million. With costs of circa 35 million. Pre-trading loss of 17.4 million. We successfully brought in circa 6 million on player trading. Total loss of 11.8 million.

In the trading year 22 / 23 the company turned over 21.0 million. With costs of circa 38.5 million. Pre-trading loss of 17.8 million. We spent a further 3.1 million on player trading. Total loss of 20.9 million.

I can't find figures for 23 / 24. If we average it out at 17 million losses. With circa 18 million incoming for Wharton, 9 million for Sammie, 5 million for Raya, another 1.5 bits and bats circa 35 million. 18 million profit for the year. 

Losses of 78 million for the previous 5 years. Losses over 6 years circa 60 million. Total losses north of 130 million. Total expenditure blown north of 450 million. 

So why do they still bother? 

1) Indian pride / caste theory?

2) Skeletons in the cupboard theory?

3) Zero business acumen theory?

4) Zero football knowledge theory?

5) Cannot be arsed theory?

6) Tax write off theory?

7) The son of the sons plaything theory?

8) Hate Rovers fans theory?

Whatever the reason, things are about to get worse for the owners. We have not re-invested wisely in either the stadium, facilities or squad. 

We don't have any valuable players left to sell. So those 17 million losses will soon need paying wholly out of their own funds. There won't be any player trading gains to offset them. 

I can't see that making them happy. And if they don't change anything then nothing will change. So I personally believe we are heading towards a critical period in their ownership.

What would I do in this position? I'd do exactly what I believe Eustace wants to do. I'd focus purely on the short term. I'd gamble on getting in the play offs and getting promoted. I'd increase my financial exposure and get time served, experienced players in that can do an immediate job and try and wriggle into the play offs. 

If it didn't work, I'd sell up.

As losing 17 million a year on a business i did not enjoy would be foolhardy.

Like the rest if you, my family and I, have devoted a large chunk of their lives to this club. My mum and dad went to the Wolves cup final, I was there against Charlton, away at PNE, against Tottenham, against Liverpool. 

Therefore I'm hoping it's; 

9) The fucking snowball theory. The most expensive snowball in history. That at least would be amusing.

Where were you when Speedie dived?

[AVE1875]

30 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I don’t take it as a positive to be honest it comes across as being under pressure (assume JE) and fans also 

I’d say bayes and Elliot have maybe sent request for statements but his response doesn’t say anything really that we don’t already know 

if he had any bollox at all (we know he doesn’t) he comes out live and addresses the concerns not hiding behind a written and very open ended statement

I don't take positives from it either to be honest that was simply said in jest, it's very much smoke and mirrors.

[Herbie6590]

4 hours ago, Penwortham Blue said:

Ronnie Hildersley and Paul Shepstone. Ronnie was 5-4 but surprisingly, as I seem to remember him being tiny, Shep reported at 5-8 on wiki !

I saw Ronnie score a header at Worthing* in the FA Cup & the Rovers fans behind the goal mercilessly mocked Paul Barron in goal for the rest of the game...

 

*Welling 🤦‍♂️

[Ghost7]

Players and the manager are frustrated at the lack of investment in the team. From one of the horses mouths. I won't say who and I doubt that is a shock to most on here...... they are in the dark and it's a similar thing every year. Fadz did his best to act as a messenger. There's little faith in anyone above the manager currently and it does have a psychological impact. 👍

[Crimpshrine]

16 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

I saw Ronnie score a header at Worthing in the FA Cup & the Rovers fans behind the goal mercilessly mocked Paul Barron in goal for the rest of the game...

I was there also - it was Welling Utd in south London. A great day out apart from a few Charlton fans trying to cause trouble.

[BRFC4EVA]

31 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

In the trading year 18 / 19 the company turned over 16.7 million. With costs of circa 33 million. Pre-trading loss of 16.1 million. We lost a further 1.6 million on player trading. Total loss of 18+ million.

In the trading year 19 / 20 the company turned over 13.5 million. With costs of circa 34.2 million. Pre-trading losses of 20.1 million. We lost a further 1.2 million on player trading. Total loss of 21+ million.

In the trading year 20 / 21 the company turned over 14.5 million. With costs of circa 33.5 million. Pre-trading loss of 15.6 million. 13 million came in from player trading, but we also spent  3.5 million on player trading. Total loss of 6.6 million.

In the trading year 21 / 22 the company turned over 16.6 million. With costs of circa 35 million. Pre-trading loss of 17.4 million. We successfully brought in circa 6 million on player trading. Total loss of 11.8 million.

In the trading year 22 / 23 the company turned over 21.0 million. With costs of circa 38.5 million. Pre-trading loss of 17.8 million. We spent a further 3.1 million on player trading. Total loss of 20.9 million.

I can't find figures for 23 / 24. If we average it out at 17 million losses. With circa 18 million incoming for Wharton, 9 million for Sammie, 5 million for Raya, another 1.5 bits and bats circa 35 million. 18 million profit for the year. 

Losses of 78 million for the previous 5 years. Losses over 6 years circa 60 million. Total losses north of 130 million. Total expenditure blown north of 450 million. 

So why do they still bother? 

1) Indian pride / caste theory?

2) Skeletons in the cupboard theory?

3) Zero business acumen theory?

4) Zero football knowledge theory?

5) Cannot be arsed theory?

6) Tax write off theory?

7) The son of the sons plaything theory?

😎 Hate Rovers fans theory?

Whatever the reason, things are about to get worse for the owners. We have not re-invested wisely in either the stadium, facilities or squad. 

We don't have any valuable players left to sell. So those 17 million losses will soon need paying wholly out of their own funds. There won't be any player trading gains to offset them. 

I can't see that making them happy. And if they don't change anything then nothing will change. So I personally believe we are heading towards a critical period in their ownership.

What would I do in this position? I'd do exactly what I believe Eustace wants to do. I'd focus purely on the short term. I'd gamble on getting in the play offs and getting promoted. I'd increase my financial exposure and get time served, experienced players in that can do an immediate job and try and wriggle into the play offs. 

If it didn't work, I'd sell up.

As losing 17 million a year on a business i did not enjoy would be foolhardy.

Like the rest if you, my family and I, have devoted a large chunk of their lives to this club. My mum and dad went to the Wolves cup final, I was there against Charlton, away at PNE, against Tottenham, against Liverpool. 

Therefore I'm hoping it's; 

9) The fucking snowball theory. The most expensive snowball in history. That at least would be amusing.

Where were you when Speedie dived?

This is what I don't understand and I guess where the theories about money laundering, deliberate losses etc stem from.

1.) Businesses, people, etc don't like loosing money.

2.) In order to stop us loosing money there are 2 options. 

A.) Sign talented players to then polish and flog.

B.) Get promoted to the PL. 

That is why I just cannot fathom what on earth they are doing. There are a huge amount of talented young players who would contribute to either A or B. One compliments the other anyway. However just doing nothing makes no sense.

It is epescially frustrating as we are currently an attractive proposition sitting in 6th.

[B16Rover]

Instead of deadline that we will have dolloper day, and that's if we are lucky 

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

Players and the manager are frustrated at the lack of investment in the team. From one of the horses mouths. I won't say who and I doubt that is a shock to most on here...... they are in the dark and it's a similar thing every year. Fadz did his best to act as a messenger. There's little faith in anyone above the manager currently and it does have a psychological impact. 👍

the sooner the club goes under the better,might sound terrible but we are swimming against a spring tide and going nowhere,id`e sooner be in a lower league and have owners and backroom staff that care than what we have at moment

it could be interesting this summer,without anyone of any value to sell,i can see eustace abandoning ship with the old mutual consent and travis,tronstadt,pears,brittain,carter and hyam sold for the odd million

[AVE1875]

1 minute ago, BRFC4EVA said:

This is what I don't understand and I guess where the theories about money laundering, deliberate losses etc stem from.

1.) Businesses, people, etc don't like loosing money.

2.) In order to stop us loosing money there are 2 options. 

A.) Sign talented players to then polish and flog.

B.) Get promoted to the PL. 

That is why I just cannot fathom what on earth they are doing. There are a huge amount of talented young players who would contribute to either A or B. One compliments the other anyway. However just doing nothing makes no sense.

It is epescially frustrating as we are currently an attractive proposition sitting in 6th.

Without sounding like I am targeting the demographic of a society, having worked professionally with individuals such as the nationality of the Venkys... There are a number of individuals I have come across that are extremely naïve, narcissistic and even extremely self absorbed.

I firmly believe it is an ego thing alongside perhaps something of a more criminal aspect such as laundering. 

[wilsdenrover]

40 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

In the trading year 18 / 19 the company turned over 16.7 million. With costs of circa 33 million. Pre-trading loss of 16.1 million. We lost a further 1.6 million on player trading. Total loss of 18+ million.

In the trading year 19 / 20 the company turned over 13.5 million. With costs of circa 34.2 million. Pre-trading losses of 20.1 million. We lost a further 1.2 million on player trading. Total loss of 21+ million.

In the trading year 20 / 21 the company turned over 14.5 million. With costs of circa 33.5 million. Pre-trading loss of 15.6 million. 13 million came in from player trading, but we also spent  3.5 million on player trading. Total loss of 6.6 million.

In the trading year 21 / 22 the company turned over 16.6 million. With costs of circa 35 million. Pre-trading loss of 17.4 million. We successfully brought in circa 6 million on player trading. Total loss of 11.8 million.

In the trading year 22 / 23 the company turned over 21.0 million. With costs of circa 38.5 million. Pre-trading loss of 17.8 million. We spent a further 3.1 million on player trading. Total loss of 20.9 million.

I can't find figures for 23 / 24. If we average it out at 17 million losses. With circa 18 million incoming for Wharton, 9 million for Sammie, 5 million for Raya, another 1.5 bits and bats circa 35 million. 18 million profit for the year. 

Losses of 78 million for the previous 5 years. Losses over 6 years circa 60 million. Total losses north of 130 million. Total expenditure blown north of 450 million. 

So why do they still bother? 

1) Indian pride / caste theory?

2) Skeletons in the cupboard theory?

3) Zero business acumen theory?

4) Zero football knowledge theory?

5) Cannot be arsed theory?

6) Tax write off theory?

7) The son of the sons plaything theory?

😎 Hate Rovers fans theory?

Whatever the reason, things are about to get worse for the owners. We have not re-invested wisely in either the stadium, facilities or squad. 

We don't have any valuable players left to sell. So those 17 million losses will soon need paying wholly out of their own funds. There won't be any player trading gains to offset them. 

I can't see that making them happy. And if they don't change anything then nothing will change. So I personally believe we are heading towards a critical period in their ownership.

What would I do in this position? I'd do exactly what I believe Eustace wants to do. I'd focus purely on the short term. I'd gamble on getting in the play offs and getting promoted. I'd increase my financial exposure and get time served, experienced players in that can do an immediate job and try and wriggle into the play offs. 

If it didn't work, I'd sell up.

As losing 17 million a year on a business i did not enjoy would be foolhardy.

Like the rest if you, my family and I, have devoted a large chunk of their lives to this club. My mum and dad went to the Wolves cup final, I was there against Charlton, away at PNE, against Tottenham, against Liverpool. 

Therefore I'm hoping it's; 

9) The fucking snowball theory. The most expensive snowball in history. That at least would be amusing.

Where were you when Speedie dived?

Venkys London most recent accounts suggest the 23/24 profit (after player trading which includes A Wharton) will be around £1 million.

The Szmodics, Raya and Gallagher monies will be in the 24/25 accounts. 

[superniko]

The absolute state of this.

Every club is trying to get the same players so we can’t be arsed actually using a scouting system so here’s Adam Forshaw who nobody in the top 3 tiers of English football fancies.  

[Theaxe15]

8 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Instead of deadline that we will have dolloper day, and that's if we are lucky 

Sounds like every day with the Waggottron about that 

[simongarnerisgod]

5 minutes ago, AVE1875 said:

Without sounding like I am targeting the demographic of a society, having worked professionally with individuals such as the nationality of the Venkys... There are a number of individuals I have come across that are extremely naïve, narcissistic and even extremely self absorbed.

I firmly believe it is an ego thing alongside perhaps something of a more criminal aspect such as laundering. 

i agree,there is one in my local restaurant/take away who goes beserk if you don`t order a main meal