January Transfer window

[47er]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We won't agree on Hedges. I rated him. Good player for me. You won't agree. 

So what does he do well then? He scored a fantastic goal at QPR (was it?) once.

I can't remember much else and he's been here a while.

[roversfan99]

48 minutes ago, KentExile said:

If it was me offering the extension, it would be an attempt to reduce his basic salary, but bump his performance related clauses for appearances/goals/assists etc, to try to coax more consistency from him in regard to goal contributions whilst also negating any potential fall off in availability due to age/future injuries

I cant see why he would voluntarily agree a wage drop even for an extra year. Especially if his deal becomes more incentivised as he will know that he doesnt contribute to enough goals to get those bonuses.

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hedges is a good squad player and someone who Eustace trusted. He has been every presence this season. 

We can't offer a 2 year contract extension as a squad player. 

So what is your problem with him? JDT and Eustace clearly always rated him. 

My "problem" is that I dont think he is good enough. I keep seeing platitudes about his work rate, his experience etc without anything about his actual ability.

Both of those managers have had very few alternatives but to play him. We have never had a massive squad nor lots of quality and/or pace out wide. But either way, even if they did both really rate him, which as I have suggested isnt as clear as that, I am allowed to hold an opinion that doesnt fall in line with them.

No one has ever said hes quick, he takes people on, he scores goals, he is a creative player etc because he is none of those things. Hes a plodder and there should be absolutely no urgency to extend his deal until he is 32.

[roverandout]

He has a few good flicks but no end product.  He's not shocking but he's not very good.  If he's willing to be a bit part player then offer him a 1 year deal.  He'd be more at home in league 1

[RoverCanada]

On 19/12/2024 at 07:16, KentExile said:

We wont, it will be included in the accounts as part of the sum total of of received transfer fees.

However, the initial fee will almost certainly be under £500K,  but with numerous add on's based on his appearances at both club and international level, signing a pro contract at Newcastle, Newcastle's performance, which would probably take it over time to somewhere between £2M & £5M as long as he performs, and also a sell on fee (likely to be 15-20% of anything over the initial fee)

Fulham got an initial £1Mish, rising to about £4M + a similar sell on for Elliott from Liverpool who was a similar age & had made Premier League appearances before his move, which was also set by tribunal

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2021/02/harvey-elliott-tribunal-sees-liverpool-pay-bargain-fee-to-fulham/

 

Personally I have no real issue with the initial low fees, but the add ons ( taking the Elliott example) are a joke, surely if he performs, then a total fee of over £10M is more fair?  If he does not live up to the hype, then they are not paid  anyway.

But the system is rigged to benefit those at the top

Hmm, I was under the impression the exact fee/terms are disclosed if the tribunal needs to make the final decision, but perhaps not as the exact terms of the Elliott case were merely confirmed by Liverpool/well-covered by the media, not directly published by the PFCC.

In contrast, seems the exact terms of the Mahoney compensation were publicised by the PFCC: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/11375683/bournemouth-ordered-to-pay-blackburn-425000-for-connor-mahoney-transfer, which may be a somewhat closer comparable for Finneran in terms of stature, although Mahoney was 20 and at 21 appearances... Mahoney compensation ended up being £425k + £100k for every 10 first team appearances up to £500k + 20% of any sell-on profits + £250k if he got an England cap.

Appearances fees + England cap didn't hit, of course (Mahoney now plying his trade in League 2), but going by the reported £1.1m fee for his following sale to Millwall, that suggests we got £425k + 20% * (£1.1m - £425k) = £560k for Mahoney in the end. 

[AAK]

15 hours ago, Ricky said:

I came on to suggest Bamford as an out of form option but I’ve read the last posts and given myself a slap. 

Wrexham trying to sign Bamford.

Edited December 20, 2024 by AAK

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, roverandout said:

He has a few good flicks but no end product.  He's not shocking but he's not very good.  If he's willing to be a bit part player then offer him a 1 year deal.  He'd be more at home in league 1

If he's very cheap he's a decent squad player. He wouldn't start for many teams in this division. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Hedges is a solid squad player nothing more nothing less very versatile he’s trusted by all managers he’s worked under he’s experienced and clearly a presence in the changing room. I don’t see an issue at all having him around 

Edited December 20, 2024 by Emerald Isle Rover

[roversfan99]

Again, the same buzz words and absolutely nothing about what he actually provides as an attacking player. And nothing to justify why as a player who turns 30 in the summer and for whom we hold the option to extend his current deal until he is 31, why we would have any urgency in getting him signed for an additional year.

[Atko's Engine]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Again, the same buzz words and absolutely nothing about what he actually provides as an attacking player. And nothing to justify why as a player who turns 30 in the summer and for whom we hold the option to extend his current deal until he is 31, why we would have any urgency in getting him signed for an additional year.

As I said below (and no-one had commented otherwise), he played key roles in our last 2 away goals, both of which were winners & therefore worth an extra 2 points each.

He's a different type of player to what else we have in that area of the pitch, and he fits the mould that Eustace likes. At this level he's easily good enough for a championship squad.

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Again, the same buzz words and absolutely nothing about what he actually provides as an attacking player. And nothing to justify why as a player who turns 30 in the summer and for whom we hold the option to extend his current deal until he is 31, why we would have any urgency in getting him signed for an additional year.

Urgency? Maybe he’s the easiest of the ones needing contracts to get sorted. Maybe the others have been approached and said come back to me in the new year or summer. Who knows we certainly don’t 

but il stand by my point managers love him (whether fans agree or not) so there’s something he offers that’s with their trust. 
 

we live in a stat based society now unfortunately which fans live off but doesn’t tell the whole tale 

[MarkBRFC]

Hedges will be a cheap extension to do is my guess, who will require very little if any uplift in salary in exchange for a couple of years security.

Dolan, Trav, Tronstad, Brittain, Hyam, I have zero faith we will be able to tie these up as we won't pay what it would take to do so.

[roversfan99]

22 minutes ago, Atko's Engine said:

As I said below (and no-one had commented otherwise), he played key roles in our last 2 away goals, both of which were winners & therefore worth an extra 2 points each.

He's a different type of player to what else we have in that area of the pitch, and he fits the mould that Eustace likes. At this level he's easily good enough for a championship squad.

 

The 2 crosses you refer to werent even good crosses, Gueye assisted a goal by missing an open net but that wasnt a positive contribution. Hedges isnt having the credit for 4 points, you can strip any goal down and find a minor contribution at some point in it.

20 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Urgency? Maybe he’s the easiest of the ones needing contracts to get sorted. Maybe the others have been approached and said come back to me in the new year or summer. Who knows we certainly don’t 

but il stand by my point managers love him (whether fans agree or not) so there’s something he offers that’s with their trust. 
 

we live in a stat based society now unfortunately which fans live off but doesn’t tell the whole tale 

Its not just his stats, from an attacking perspective. Not only does he not score and is not creative but he isnt quick and he cant take people on.

He has played for us at a time where we have been starved of natural wide men, so its not like hes being selected over good alternatives. Doesnt mean managers love him necessarily.

And just because its easy to do doesnt mean its worthwhile to do. Its not a case of we need to sign someone on a new deal, get anyone to sign. His current deal includes an extension until the age of 31. I cant see why we would rush to extend that considering his lack of contribution.

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He's nowhere near the standard required Chaddy. Either as a first choice or squad member.

I know Dolan isn't everyone's cup of tea but we'd be far better served binning off Hedges and offering the wages saved to him.

I mean you saw in 70 minutes from ACD what an attacking wide player is meant to look like - they resorted to doubling up on him in the end. 

Hedges is a warm body in a shirt. 

[Paul Mani]

24 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Hedges will be a cheap extension to do is my guess, who will require very little if any uplift in salary in exchange for a couple of years security.

Dolan, Trav, Tronstad, Brittain, Hyam, I have zero faith we will be able to tie these up as we won't pay what it would take to do so.

I think people are reading too much into Hedges. He’s 100% the easiest one to do…that doesn’t make him the priority, just the first one to get over the line. Think about signings when the transfer window opens. The east ones get done first and the hardest (best) usually get done late!

I would let Dolan slope off and take a nominal fee. He owes us nothing. Trav, Sonny, Brittain and Hyam are hugely important.

[Hannoverover]

Dele Alli? He will probably end up at a championship club

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I think people are reading too much into Hedges. He’s 100% the easiest one to do…that doesn’t make him the priority, just the first one to get over the line. Think about signings when the transfer window opens. The east ones get done first and the hardest (best) usually get done late!

I would let Dolan slope off and take a nominal fee. He owes us nothing. Trav, Sonny, Brittain and Hyam are hugely important.

But this idea that he is the easiest implies that they all need to be done. On an individual level specific to Hedges, the question is should we be renewing his deal presumably for 2.5 years from now up until he is 32 based on his contribution? Its not about reading too much into it, its not as complex as that.

[J*B]

6 minutes ago, Hannoverover said:

Dele Alli? He will probably end up at a championship club

Playing for Como in Serie A under Cesc Fabregas. 

[Polky]

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

43 minutes ago, Polky said:

 

Have they got the right photo ? He looks years older than the 22 that he is stated to be.

[MarkBRFC]

55 minutes ago, Polky said:

 

Nonsense link.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The 2 crosses you refer to werent even good crosses, Gueye assisted a goal by missing an open net but that wasnt a positive contribution. Hedges isnt having the credit for 4 points, you can strip any goal down and find a minor contribution at some point in it.

Its not just his stats, from an attacking perspective. Not only does he not score and is not creative but he isnt quick and he cant take people on.

He has played for us at a time where we have been starved of natural wide men, so its not like hes being selected over good alternatives. Doesnt mean managers love him necessarily.

And just because it’s easy to do doesnt mean it’s worthwhile to do. It’s not a case of we need to sign someone on a new deal, get anyone to sign. His current deal includes an extension until the age of 31. I cant see why we would rush to extend that considering his lack of contribution.

Do the stars show ‘key passes’ as we all know stats can be misleading prefect example is gueye getting credited an assist

hes no world beater but I don’t see why there’s such a fuss from fans over his contract talks won’t be much more than he’s currently on could even be less so no odds really and I’d hazard a guess that he’s brilliant in an around the changing room and young ones coming through

 

 

[Forever Blue]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The 2 crosses you refer to werent even good crosses, Gueye assisted a goal by missing an open net but that wasnt a positive contribution. Hedges isnt having the credit for 4 points, you can strip any goal down and find a minor contribution at some point in it.

Its not just his stats, from an attacking perspective. Not only does he not score and is not creative but he isnt quick and he cant take people on.

He has played for us at a time where we have been starved of natural wide men, so its not like hes being selected over good alternatives. Doesnt mean managers love him necessarily.

And just because its easy to do doesnt mean its worthwhile to do. Its not a case of we need to sign someone on a new deal, get anyone to sign. His current deal includes an extension until the age of 31. I cant see why we would rush to extend that considering his lack of contribution.

The manager likes him for reasons explained previously. We all know he isn’t the most effective attacker but he does what Eustace requires him to do in other areas of the pitch. Hence the new contract. 
 

 

 

[Forever Blue]

4 hours ago, Polky said:

 

He looks like Mr C. 
 

Anyone got any Vera’s….Laaavveelllyy

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Do the stars show ‘key passes’ as we all know stats can be misleading prefect example is gueye getting credited an assist

hes no world beater but I don’t see why there’s such a fuss from fans over his contract talks won’t be much more than he’s currently on could even be less so no odds really and I’d hazard a guess that he’s brilliant in an around the changing room and young ones coming through

 

 

You are the one that is obsessing over stats.

Its not a case of a fuss, its just a talking point. That hes "brilliant" with the young players and in the changing room is total speculation.

I still am yet to see why we are offering him a new contract. He doesnt offer enough as an attacking player to merit a deal on performance. He doesnt score goals, he isnt creative, isnt quick and doesnt take people on. And there is no logic in committing to a 2 and a half year deal now taking him to 32 years old, when IMO a more logical solution would be to let him see out the season with the option of another year available should it be required.

Just now, Forever Blue said:

The manager likes him for reasons explained previously. We all know he isn’t the most effective attacker but he does what Eustace requires him to do in other areas of the pitch. Hence the new contract. 
 

 

 

Like I said, a big contributing factor to him playing so often is a lack of alternatives IMO. But even if Eustace has personally pushed for a new deal, which again is speculation, I personally dont agree with it.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

You are the one that is obsessing over stats.

Its not a case of a fuss, its just a talking point. That hes "brilliant" with the young players and in the changing room is total speculation.

I still am yet to see why we are offering him a new contract. He doesnt offer enough as an attacking player to merit a deal on performance. He doesnt score goals, he isnt creative, isnt quick and doesnt take people on. And there is no logic in committing to a 2 and a half year deal now taking him to 32 years old, when IMO a more logical solution would be to let him see out the season with the option of another year available should it be required.

Like I said, a big contributing factor to him playing so often is a lack of alternatives IMO. But even if Eustace has personally pushed for a new deal, which again is speculation, I personally dont agree with it.

Eustace has previously singled him out for praise. It’s strange you think that it wouldn’t be a Eustace decision.