January Transfer window

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Not sure what the standard of 2. Bundesliga is compared to the Championship (probably lower?) but I'm glad he's doing well for his club. I'm not sure it would've worked out for him at Rovers even if he'd had stayed for longer.

Whilst I don't watch it, clubs in that league have more revenue per club than the Championship. Although they do seem to operate smaller wage budgets, but I think you get worse value for money in the Championship due to the Prem being within reach and players coming down on mega wages. I'd expect it's not much weaker if it's weaker.

[Ricceh]

I need a tweet with an hourglass emoji to brighten my mood.

[Commondore]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

None of his team mates thought he had talent.

I remember Garry Flitcroft being asked who the worst player he has ever played with was. He wouldn't give a name but he did say it you'd had a shocker in training they used to call it "having a Grabbi"

…which probably didn’t help him adapt. Still, Serie B to Premier League in the early 00’s must have been a massive leap both culturally and in quality, Souness was mad to approve that transfer (or enticed by a brown envelope or two).

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Commondore said:

…which probably didn’t help him adapt. Still, Serie B to Premier League in the early 00’s must have been a massive leap both culturally and in quality, Souness was mad to approve that transfer (or enticed by a brown envelope or two).

Grabbi was terrible, we got absolutely shafted on that one.

Someone I know visited Ternana and said you could more or less have bought the entire town for £7m, let alone the Club, let alone Grabbi.

Allegedly Souness asked for the top scorer in whatever Division they were playing in at the time and thought he was getting a centre forward.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Have we signed anyone yet?

[miqaayil]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Might be missing the point but even if thats true,why would you want to 'launder' legitimate SBI funds?

nope ...monies go overseas ... bad debt will follow when instruments called...civil case will run for decades ...launder is a wrong term.

[joey_big_nose]

With Hirst and Telelovic we seem to have not been able to get the best out of them... Pretty rare for that to happen at Rovers but both looked absolutely awful for us, but have gone on well. 

Remember Kalinic another who had a fantastic career post rovers after looking mediocre for us.

[Paul Mellelieu]

And a few who looked great here, but lost it after leaving.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, miqaayil said:

nope ...monies go overseas ... bad debt will follow when instruments called...civil case will run for decades ...launder is a wrong term.

Still not following you.

Are you alleging they're borrowing money to get their hands on liquid cash and then simply not bothering to repay it or are not somehow meeting the conditions of any loans?

They attracted the attention of the Authorities for using Rovers holding Company to purchase non Rovers related things. Something completely different.

Edited Sunday at 17:33 by RevidgeBlue

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Penwortham Blue said:

I saw him play virtually every one of his early games, especially remember Utd at home when Bhartez should have been sent off and he could have had a hatrick but for the woodwork and a bit of luck. I might be wrong but I seem to think that Ipswich away was an early game and again he looked to have real ability but it just didn’t go for him. Over the years, I’ve have met a number of Genoa fans who would tell you what a good player he was.

I remember the goal he scored against Everton at Ewood. He picked it up in the old No10 position, ran at a couple of defenders, dropped his shoulder, cut inside and left them for dead, and then drilled it just inside the far post.  He made it look as easy as falling off a log. I thought he was unlucky, especially with that Bartez goal. That goes in and he’s a hero
Not all strikers are gifted ball players but they can put the ball in the net.

Edited Sunday at 17:44 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[martonrover]

19 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

With Hirst and Telelovic we seem to have not been able to get the best out of them... Pretty rare for that to happen at Rovers but both looked absolutely awful for us, but have gone on well. 

Remember Kalinic another who had a fantastic career post rovers after looking mediocre for us.

Kevin Davies another.

[Forever Blue]

11 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

They attracted the attention of the Authorities for using Rovers holding Company to purchase non Rovers related things. Something completely different.

IIRC they’re under investigation for buying a house in Bolton with money that had allegedly been declared as being sent overseas for use in Venkys primary businesses (nothing to do with Rovers) 

[aletheia]

6 hours ago, 47er said:

Is there any point watching Rovers then?

A loveless marriage? 😉

[miqaayil]

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Still not following you.

Are you alleging they're borrowing money to get their hands on liquid cash and then simply not bothering to repay it or are not somehow meeting the conditions of any loans?

They attracted the attention of the Authorities for using Rovers holding Company to purchase non Rovers related things. Something completely different.

I hope you are asking so as to understand my reasoning.....

let me tell a little story...pure imagination 

 

John is a big business man with very strong financial clout. A group approaches John to get a loan in a bank using his financial clout. Group promises Fame and ability to have funds in foreign location as generating from this venture by running losses. Bank can't call the loan as it'll be a financial scandal that would implicate themselves as its public monies bank and risk other business already with john, as John has a business empire. John has no choice but let business die natural death slowly as the business is one of public interest and he can't sell as auditing will happen. John won't improve the business as it'll catch public eye and he won't let business shrink as he can't show the appropriate losses, even though eventually this will happen. 

 

And to make matters worse the patrons of this business humiliated John when he visited his store. Ego was hurt 

Hope you liked the story.

[Ossydave]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

Whilst I don't watch it, clubs in that league have more revenue per club than the Championship. Although they do seem to operate smaller wage budgets, but I think you get worse value for money in the Championship due to the Prem being within reach and players coming down on mega wages. I'd expect it's not much weaker if it's weaker.

With regards to revenue, look at the size of some of the grounds, some massive ones and many above 30, even 50k with a percentage of standing sections, reasonably priced tickets too and the stadiums are always full, they really are putting us to shame the Germans

[Blow-in]

2 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

With regards to revenue, look at the size of some of the grounds, some massive ones and many above 30, even 50k with a percentage of standing sections, reasonably priced tickets too and the stadiums are always full, they really are putting us to shame the Germans

I don't know a lot about german football, but from a distance there appears to be better links between fans and clubs which probably helps a team when they find themselves in the wilderness as we have done.

[RevidgeBlue]

19 minutes ago, miqaayil said:

I hope you are asking so as to understand my reasoning.....

let me tell a little story...pure imagination 

 

John is a big business man with very strong financial clout. A group approaches John to get a loan in a bank using his financial clout. Group promises Fame and ability to have funds in foreign location as generating from this venture by running losses. Bank can't call the loan as it'll be a financial scandal that would implicate themselves as its public monies bank and risk other business already with john, as John has a business empire. John has no choice but let business die natural death slowly as the business is one of public interest and he can't sell as auditing will happen. John won't improve the business as it'll catch public eye and he won't let business shrink as he can't show the appropriate losses, even though eventually this will happen. 

 

And to make matters worse the patrons of this business humiliated John when he visited his store. Ego was hurt 

Hope you liked the story.

I think you're letting your imagination run away with you a bit, I can't see any possible advantage to "John" arising out of that scenario.

[Ricky]

I’m sure someone mentioned Andy Irving as a potential loan. He’s come on for West Ham and looks decent. 

[RoversClitheroe]

Absolute crickets from the Rovers Trust.

What a shame.

[onlyonejackwalker]

2 hours ago, miqaayil said:

Again a story i've been saying ....this whole thing is a washing expedition ...output SBI (Bank) monies and Sales return belongs to Vs. 

 

No other reason can explain this 15 years ... naivety...innocent...don't know about football ...don't care ... no reasoning fits ... as SHERLOCK said "IF ALL REASONING IS EXAUSTED , HOW IMPROPERBLE THE REMAINING REASON IS..IT HAS TO BE THE TRUTH" 

 

not 1 journalist has asked , Is all the monies spent on rovers since the sale, from Facilities of SBI or Vs own monies ? 

Posts like this arent helpful.

You think they are selling a few chickens cash in hand? Fiddling our attendance figures amd gate receipts?

The Venkys bought the club for £ 23.miilion plus £ 20 million of debt. 

They have spent north of £ 300 million of company turnover.

They have now injected circa 140 million of their own money.

They may be able to offset some taxes from profitable areas of their other businesses due to losses incurred at the Rovers. But the benefits will be neglible and the losses still huge.

I don't think there is a cunning plan. I still believe they bought a high profile business to raise brand awareness in the UK in advance of establishing retail chicken outlets.

A couple of stupid decisions later, their new business was in the press for all the wrong reasons, operating costs had spiralled, visibility was decimated, toxic brand aassociation heightened and their VFC plan was aborted.

They then spunked all the parachute payments on the likes of Danny Murphy, Rochini, Goodwillie, Etuhu, Best, Orr, Hanley, Olsson twins, Miles fucking Anderson. We had a very, very expensive squad at that time. And terrible results. The club never recovered.

It's been a series of terrible decisions for many years and all the financial strength created initially by Uncle Jack and then through our PL status has been completely eroded. 

And now we are totally skint. The company isn't functioning. 99% of all.other business would be shut down. 

 

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

IIRC they’re under investigation for buying a house in Bolton with money that had allegedly been declared as being sent overseas for use in Venkys primary businesses (nothing to do with Rovers) 

That - https://enforcementdirectorate.gov.in/sites/default/files/latestnews/PR MBZO2- FEMA Seizure-4.09.2023.pdf

+ the Akon stuff - https://enforcementdirectorate.gov.in/sites/default/files/latestnews/Press Release -VHPL-09.10.2023.pdf

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, miqaayil said:

I hope you are asking so as to understand my reasoning.....

let me tell a little story...pure imagination 

 

John is a big business man with very strong financial clout. A group approaches John to get a loan in a bank using his financial clout. Group promises Fame and ability to have funds in foreign location as generating from this venture by running losses. Bank can't call the loan as it'll be a financial scandal that would implicate themselves as its public monies bank and risk other business already with john, as John has a business empire. John has no choice but let business die natural death slowly as the business is one of public interest and he can't sell as auditing will happen. John won't improve the business as it'll catch public eye and he won't let business shrink as he can't show the appropriate losses, even though eventually this will happen. 

 

And to make matters worse the patrons of this business humiliated John when he visited his store. Ego was hurt 

Hope you liked the story.

Eventually John and the Group go to prison for a very long time and are financially ruined. The business is finally released from their evil grasp and prospers.

The End. 

[Exiled_Rover]

55 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

With regards to revenue, look at the size of some of the grounds, some massive ones and many above 30, even 50k with a percentage of standing sections, reasonably priced tickets too and the stadiums are always full, they really are putting us to shame the Germans

They don't have kicks offs at stupid times either - they protested against that. Plus all the clubs are part fan-owned.

I don't admire the Germans often, but they do football better than we do. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Let’s play Rovers Monday bingo

alan Nixon has a story 

an ‘ITK’ links us with a new player 

an ‘ITK’ discredits any new information

kargbo deal progresses 

Kargbo deal collapses 

a verified new link appears

no news at all 

[Exiled_Rover]

37 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Posts like this arent helpful.

You think they are selling a few chickens cash in hand? Fiddling our attendance figures amd gate receipts?

The Venkys bought the club for £ 23.miilion plus £ 20 million of debt. 

They have spent north of £ 300 million of company turnover.

They have now injected circa 140 million of their own money.

They may be able to offset some taxes from profitable areas of their other businesses due to losses incurred at the Rovers. But the benefits will be neglible and the losses still huge.

I don't think there is a cunning plan. I still believe they bought a high profile business to raise brand awareness in the UK in advance of establishing retail chicken outlets.

A couple of stupid decisions later, their new business was in the press for all the wrong reasons, operating costs had spiralled, visibility was decimated, toxic brand aassociation heightened and their VFC plan was aborted.

They then spunked all the parachute payments on the likes of Danny Murphy, Rochini, Goodwillie, Etuhu, Best, Orr, Hanley, Olsson twins, Miles fucking Anderson. We had a very, very expensive squad at that time. And terrible results. The club never recovered.

It's been a series of terrible decisions for many years and all the financial strength created initially by Uncle Jack and then through our PL status has been completely eroded. 

And now we are totally skint. The company isn't functioning. 99% of all.other business would be shut down. 

 

So why turn down repeated offers to buy it from them?

It's a sunk cost - they're never getting their money back, but they can stop the bleeding.