January Transfer window

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

That’s a fair u turn chaddy 2/3 weeks ago you were adamant JE has the final say 

we now know after his comments today Kargbo isn’t his pick - but we or most of us knew that before as in a previous interview he said the club know who I want and they have their targets too

this is the problem with this set up it’s something Iv never liked if the manager can’t get to pick I just don’t understand why when he’s the coach and doing all the work on the pitch with the players 

it makes no sense to me at all

You getting confused and tying yourself up here.

Eustace picks the target of a shortlist of 3-5 players. That's how it works according to Gestede at the fan forum meeting 

We dont have a manager. 

Eustace will say he wants a winger with pace. Then the recruitment team will scout and research players then complied a 3 to 5 player shortlist for Eustace to pick from. 

[booth]

12 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

but yea we shouldn’t go for him - strange

anyhow never in a million years going to happen 

If we had the luxury of being able to spend on potential that would be fantastic.

Like you said, not going to happen though. Someone like Luton or Sunderland will get him. And if it goes wrong it will impact on them a lot less than it will us.

[DeeCee]

@chaddyrovers

Who has the final say? 🤔

Edited Thursday at 23:22 by DeeCee

[booth]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You getting confused and tying yourself up here.

Eustace picks the target of a shortlist of 3-5 players. That's how it works according to Gestede at the fan forum meeting 

We dont have a manager. 

Eustace will say he wants a winger with pace. Then the recruitment team will scout and research players then complied a 3 to 5 player shortlist for Eustace to pick from. 

I don't think it's as rigid as that. Eustace picked Sanderson for example.

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You getting confused and tying yourself up here.

Eustace picks the target of a shortlist of 3-5 players. That's how it works according to Gestede at the fan forum meeting 

We dont have a manager. 

Eustace will say he wants a winger with pace. Then the recruitment team will scout and research players then complied a 3 to 5 player shortlist for Eustace to pick from. 

Then we can't afford Eustace top targets from the list.

I don't think Kargbo has anything to do with Eustace,  probably made tentative enquiries for the likes of Schlupp and Wallace,  found out the costs and club have gone for a player probably recommended by someone Gestede knows like the young lad we signed in the summer 

I would have more faith if this Kargbo came from nowhere but our interest has been known since the summer. He will be on small wages  his fee most likely under a £1 million but nobody else seemingly trying to sign him?

The team and management deserve a known player someone to come in who will instantly improve the team and instantly improve moral and raise everyone's efforts in training etc. The players will be like us never heard of Kargbo and be on YouTube looking at him 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

But it seems like the signings are not what he asked for and his comments today saying "the club" like him dont suggest that he is totally happy with the route we are going down.

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Considering you wanted Championship experience and you wanted us to buy a main striker. IF we sign Kargbo permanently (who you didnt seem too happy about) and say this Egyptian on loan, rather than someone like Thomas Asante. Would you be disappointed with the window baring in mind your previous comments? Would you be confident of a top 6 finish?

Lets get our signings in first. I will give my opinion on our new signings and window verdict at the end of the window. 

We havent signed anyone yet. 

Kargbo, I know nothing about him personally. I seen a video on him which shows his skills and pace but lets see what he does here if he signs  

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Based on your previous comments, its certainly not what you wanted. So my natural assumption would be that you wouldnt be too happy. But you seem to be doing somewhat of a u turn. Its gone from Championship experience to first team experience. And you dont seem to be willing to concede that it isnt what Eustace asked for.

A proven Championship striker would be what we all want but if we cant sign one for a number of reasons then do we not sign anyone. 

Eustace's comments have gone from Championship experience to quality players in post match last game 

Edited Thursday at 23:34 by chaddyrovers

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, B16Rover said:

Leaning heavily on some FM knowledge here but the Serie C where Kargbo has been most prolific is both insanely hard to get out of and also a bizarre mixture of village clubs, phoenix clubs and development squads for Serie A.  All that said it's nigh on impossible to judge him as a player if his main performances are at that level. 

Is that the level where there's multiple Serie C divisions (is it regional?) and the winners of each league go into a playoffs to get out of it?

[Tom]

18 minutes ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Season ending? I can't see anything regarding the severity of the injury.. 

maybe I misread then. I thought I saw a quote from his manager that said months 

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Lets get our signings in first. I will give my opinion on our new signings and window verdict at the end of the window. 

We havent signed anyone yet. 

Kargbo, I know nothing about him personally. I seen a video on him which shows his skills and pace but lets see what he does here if he signs  

A proven Championship striker would be what we all want but if we cant sign one for a number of reasons then do we not sign anyone. 

Eustace's comments have gone from Championship experience to quality players in post match last game 

You do seem to be tying yourself in knots somewhat.

You cant seen to fathom that there is any chance that Eustace has not had the final say on the Kargbo deal. Or that in practice things wont work exactly how you think they should work or how Gestede said they plan to work things in a totally different context months ago.

You are allowed to say, if you believe it of course. That IF we end up signing Kargbo and a foreign striker on loan, that we have not got what we wanted from the window, or that its not what you wanted.

With the videos of him, you have to remember that hes playing at such a low level.

"Do we not sign anyone" if we cant get what we want is again having low standards. Akin to saying oh he will do, better than nothing.

[Neal]

56 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

You're mad. 

He absolutely doesn't suit our style of football. He'd look ok in a team that's well on top - he plays his best football in the final third where he can shift the ball and do something with that half a yard. Getting up and down the pitch and beating his man for pace / in behind (which is what we desperately need) is beyond him in the senior game. He's far too unathletic. 

He's the only player we have that could create something out of nothing IMO. Against Luton at home he was brilliant, he also destroyed Hull in the first half at home. We just don't use him properly but it could just be that he came into the side as we lost our midfield pairing which has stopped us from dominating in midfield like we were earlier in the season. Class little player when used right, anonymous otherwise. 

[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Then we can't afford Eustace top targets from the list.

I don't think Kargbo has anything to do with Eustace,  probably made tentative enquiries for the likes of Schlupp and Wallace,  found out the costs and club have gone for a player probably recommended by someone Gestede knows like the young lad we signed in the summer 

I would have more faith if this Kargbo came from nowhere but our interest has been known since the summer. He will be on small wages  his fee most likely under a £1 million but nobody else seemingly trying to sign him?

The team and management deserve a known player someone to come in who will instantly improve the team and instantly improve moral and raise everyone's efforts in training etc. The players will be like us never heard of Kargbo and be on YouTube looking at him 

Clearly not but I thought Thomas-Asante would be within especially if we bid 4m euros for the St.Gallen striker

Your point about why no one wants Kargbo. You could say about Ohashi or Beck or Cantwell. 

[islander200]

Nothing like a January window to kill all hope 

God knows what the summer will bring but odds on Eustace will be off and we will make a Coyle type appointment. 

More cheap signings under £1 million will be made and the players out of contract in 2026 won't sign new contracts and instead of selling and replacing with the money received we will let them run their contracts down like we did with Lenihen, Nyambe and Rothwell(I agreed with them not selling that January do to the circumstances)but a take it or leave it decent contract offer should have been made the previous or even the January before and if declined then we should have been looking to sell them

At least that time we finished 8th in the league we probably be relegated next season 

No way can we keep getting away with spending so little in the transfer market.If they ain't gonna spend a bit this window no chance they will in the summer 

Depressing

[rigger]

4 hours ago, roverandout said:

I think kargbo will be shipped out soon and our transfer dealings will be all at sea

He may launch our promotion push

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Clearly not but I thought Thomas-Asante would be within especially if we bid 4m euros for the St.Gallen striker

Your point about why no one wants Kargbo. You could say about Ohashi or Beck or Cantwell. 

Other teams would have taken Beck and Cantwell and for me overall Cantwell has been poor

Ohashi has been a decent signing overall but a gamble  , he has had his share of poor performances. 

It's clear Eustace hasn't chosen Kargbo and if he has I'd be frightened to see the alternatives. Eustace stance on changing from "championship experience names" top players" to "good players " as the penny has dropped the club won't be providing that. 

To date we have signed an aging midfielder who couldn't get in the team at Plymouth and a centre back who couldn't get in the team in League one

And the only other known close signing is an attacker who has not shown as good a form moving up a league from Seria C to Seria B 

You hardly think Eustace is happy with that?

You surely ain't happy with that 

 

[chaddyrovers]

47 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You do seem to be tying yourself in knots somewhat.

Not at all. Its yourself trying to suggest scenarios to suit your argument 

47 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You cant seen to fathom that there is any chance that Eustace has not had the final say on the Kargbo deal. Or that in practice things wont work exactly how you think they should work or how Gestede said they plan to work things in a totally different context months ago.

Gestede told you at the fan forum meeting how we recruit players. Eustace himself has said he has been contact with Rudy all week over signings. Do you have any evidence that Eustace hasn't picked Kargbo from a shortlist of 3 to 5 players he was present? 

47 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are allowed to say, if you believe it of course. That IF we end up signing Kargbo and a foreign striker on loan, that we have not got what we wanted from the window, or that its not what you wanted.

I've said that I will give my opinion when the window ends 

47 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

With the videos of him, you have to remember that hes playing at such a low level.

Exactly. Let's see what he is like in Rovers shirt if he signs

[islander200]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Exactly. Let's see what he is like in Rovers shirt if he signs

Fans have a right to be angry that we have waited near all January to end up with a cheap by championship standards gamble?

This signing could have been made weeks ago. Big ask for him no matter his quality to come over mid season to I'd presume a higher intensity league than a seria b and make an immediate impact 

Now if this signing is being made to facilitate a larger fee or wage to a more proven player in another area then ok I could see the merits but we are gonna end up with him snd another 1 maybe 2 loans I don't believe they will be the quality the fans, team and management deserve

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Nonsense - the individual assessment should directly involve the coach/manager to make sure their the right fit for the club

The problem with that approach is two fold. 

The first? It assumes that your coach is good at identifying talent. I don't know how good of a scout Eustace is. You don't either. Based on the signings that he's clearly played a part in so far? I don't think it's his strongest area. 

The second? It means that you build a team entirely in the vision of that individual coach. In an ideal world, you'd have certain principles in place that survive the lifespan of a coach. We currently don't have that, but it is sort of what the original idea behind Broughton was. It's how Brighton work. Or Brentford work. Why wouldn't you want to be run like the best clubs around?

[ageoftherover]

3 hours ago, Tom said:

Feel for Kyle McFadz - moved on to play football and within 10 minutes gets a season ending injury 

Hope he can at least go out on his own terms and get a couple games 

Unfortunately, thats what your body tends to do at a certain point. I pulled my neck yawning this morning.

[ageoftherover]

2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Is that the level where there's multiple Serie C divisions (is it regional?) and the winners of each league go into a playoffs to get out of it?

Yeah. It's 3 divisions, separated by region. That's the reason it's such a bizzare mix of clubs in all shapes and sizes. It's tier 3 to 5.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, islander200 said:

Fans have a right to be angry that we have waited near all January to end up with a cheap by championship standards gamble?

This signing could have been made weeks ago. Big ask for him no matter his quality to come over mid season to I'd presume a higher intensity league than a seria b and make an immediate impact 

Now if this signing is being made to facilitate a larger fee or wage to a more proven player in another area then ok I could see the merits but we are gonna end up with him snd another 1 maybe 2 loans I don't believe they will be the quality the fans, team and management deserve

Why don't you wait and see who we sign first. 

 

[Forever Blue]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

The problem with that approach is two fold. 

The first? It assumes that your coach is good at identifying talent. I don't know how good of a scout Eustace is. You don't either. Based on the signings that he's clearly played a part in so far? I don't think it's his strongest area. 

The second? It means that you build a team entirely in the vision of that individual coach. In an ideal world, you'd have certain principles in place that survive the lifespan of a coach. We currently don't have that, but it is sort of what the original idea behind Broughton was. It's how Brighton work. Or Brentford work. Why wouldn't you want to be run like the best clubs around?

The problem with that is we’ve signed some right shite under the new DoF model, or whatever bastardised version of it we’re operating. 

Secondly, the principles GB spouted were soon thrown out of the window as soon as JE was brought in. We’ve also sacked half the people who were responsible for implementing those principles, including the head of recruitment. We don’t have ‘principles’.

You’re completely delusional if you think the tinpot operation down at Ewood is anything like Brentford’s. 

[A Northern Horde...]

3 hours ago, islander200 said:

 

God knows what the summer will bring but odds on Eustace will be off and we will make a Coyle type appointment. 

 

...And the cycle of shit starts all over again.

[yankfan]

After having our £4,000,000 offer for Giubells rejected I understand we’ve moved on and submitted a £8,000,000 bid for Isak.  Should here back soon…fingers crossed! 

[A Northern Horde...]

Righty o Yankfan!🤣

[philipl]

Extremely noticeable that John is fluent throughout the interview except when asked about transfers when his every second utterance is um.

So is he choosing words carefully because

A - he is covering the reality that SWAG and Suhail have got nothing and/or

B - he is checking himself to avoid letting something slip

When asked about Kargbo the answer was " he is somebody the club likes". Not "we like" or "I like"...