January Transfer window

[Ossydave]

3 hours ago, ageoftherover said:

Unfortunately, thats what your body tends to do at a certain point. I pulled my neck yawning this morning.

Its a knee injury rather than a strained muscle and sounds like a heavy tackle caused it, nowt much you can do about an injury like that, it's just rotten luck the poor bugger.

[Ossydave]

The fact that it's taken a month to get Kargbo even in the country (I think? No sightings of him up to now) kind of confirms he was far from our number 1 target.

I do quite like the look of him mind, although I am falling into the trap of youtube clips admittedly. 

Problem is, looking at the quoted fees mentioned, to most clubs its a low cost risk, to the wankers in charge of the purse strings it's probably our entire budget, or 90% of it 🤔 

[Torgeir]

6 hours ago, Neal said:

He's the only player we have that could create something out of nothing IMO. Against Luton at home he was brilliant, he also destroyed Hull in the first half at home. We just don't use him properly but it could just be that he came into the side as we lost our midfield pairing which has stopped us from dominating in midfield like we were earlier in the season. Class little player when used right, anonymous otherwise. 

He blows hot and cold and has been really poor at times, but that's why he's out on loan and not playing in the Premier League. A loan player like Harvey Elliott we know there's zero chance of us signing him on a permanent deal after his loan expires, whereas a player like ACD we have more chance of landing. Brighton probably want to assess him first anyway, but anyway...

Looking forward to getting this transfer window out of the way, and regardless of who we bring in from now on and till it shuts, there are some serious questions to be asked.

[Waggy76]

23 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

He blows hot and cold and has been really poor at times, but that's why he's out on loan and not playing in the Premier League. A loan player like Harvey Elliott we know there's zero chance of us signing him on a permanent deal after his loan expires, whereas a player like ACD we have more chance of landing. Brighton probably want to assess him first anyway, but anyway...

Looking forward to getting this transfer window out of the way, and regardless of who we bring in from now on and till it shuts, there are some serious questions to be asked.

The only question is: When are the RAOS leaving ?

Nothing else matters.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why don't you wait and see who we sign first. 

 

Because its too late now Chaddy...our play off hopes are all but gone.  The window is going/ has gone how most predicted.

After being promised championship quality, out 2 yr plus search for a 'quality striker' and 'winger with pace' looks like ending with a lad from the Italian 3rd tier and maybe a loan from the SPL.  These standard of payers could have been brought in week 1 in Jan. i

I have no doubt we will off load somebody else by Monday also. 

It's going to be carnage in the summer with  the amount of players we have coming out of contract. 

 

[rob_of_the_rovers]

Dane Scarlett was mentioned a while back. He's now played (and scored) for spurs so he can't go anywhere else

[Herbie6590]

Here’s @rog of the rovers on the EFL ALL ACCESS Show

 

 

[roverblue]

Criminal the club didn’t reinvest £10m at least of all the sales in the summer window. We are being run like we are in administration rather than a functioning football club.

[KentExile]

20 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

It's going to be carnage in the summer with  the amount of players we have coming out of contract. 

 

Personally I think we will see more inertia this summer.

Dolan, Sigurdsson, Forshaw & Hilton will leave at the end of their contracts,

Hyam, Hedges, Markanday & probably even Vale will have their options taken up (in Vales case, probably just so a small fee/sell on can be obtained)

We will probably extend Weimann and Batth for another year

The likes of Batty & an injured Gilsenan will probably also be cheap enough for a new contract to be agreed

 

The summer afterwards on the other hand will then see the following out of contract

Travis, Tronstad, Brittain, Hyam, Batth, Weimann, Hedges, Markanday

Edited Friday at 07:12 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not at all. Its yourself trying to suggest scenarios to suit your argument 

Gestede told you at the fan forum meeting how we recruit players. Eustace himself has said he has been contact with Rudy all week over signings. Do you have any evidence that Eustace hasn't picked Kargbo from a shortlist of 3 to 5 players he was present? 

I've said that I will give my opinion when the window ends 

Exactly. Let's see what he is like in Rovers shirt if he signs

I dont have any evidence that Eustace doesnt want Kargbo or a foreign striker on loan. I just know that having asked for Championship experience, hes not getting it. I also heard what he said about the "club liking him."

[neophox]

38 minutes ago, rob_of_the_rovers said:

Dane Scarlett was mentioned a while back. He's now played (and scored) for spurs so he can't go anywhere else

Ajaji and Moore at Spurs also good players.

[Upside Down]

33 minutes ago, roverblue said:

Criminal the club didn’t reinvest £10m at least of all the sales in the summer window. We are being run like we are in administration rather than a functioning football club.

If we were in administration we'd be run a million times better than this.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

6 hours ago, Eddie said:

The problem with that approach is two fold. 

The first? It assumes that your coach is good at identifying talent. I don't know how good of a scout Eustace is. You don't either. Based on the signings that he's clearly played a part in so far? I don't think it's his strongest area. 

The second? It means that you build a team entirely in the vision of that individual coach. In an ideal world, you'd have certain principles in place that survive the lifespan of a coach. We currently don't have that, but it is sort of what the original idea behind Broughton was. It's how Brighton work. Or Brentford work. Why wouldn't you want to be run like the best clubs around?

We keep saying about the Brentford model etc about having a director of football and a coach they liase in this perfect world and brilliant for Brentford that’s worked but it’s not a one glove fits all method - if it was all clubs would do it and we currently have one of the worst run clubs about

secondly as per Eustace comments forshaw was again an emergency signing by Rudy pretty much admitted by the player himself in his interview - Sanderson an emergency signing that in truth made sense - Yuki Gueye were Rudy signings also - so not sure on what your basing his transfers on tbh

and again this is of course my opinion it’s not fact or set in stone - my preference as a fan is that there is a football manager who oversees all football related things including contracts transfers etc it leads to accountability and no grey areas if signings are made and they aren’t good and results tail off etc it falls on the manager. This current set up there’s grey areas where a manager mightn’t get the sort of player he wants to suit him/his style of football which can lead to finger pointing 

so for me the manager should be the one making the calls he/his team are the ones working with the players daily - it’s old school yes 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

You getting confused and tying yourself up here.

Eustace picks the target of a shortlist of 3-5 players. That's how it works according to Gestede at the fan forum meeting 

We dont have a manager. 

Eustace will say he wants a winger with pace. Then the recruitment team will scout and research players then complied a 3 to 5 player shortlist for Eustace to pick from. 

‘According to rudy’

id beg to differ given forshaw interview and johns interview himself yesterday 

I think as JE has mentioned before the club will pick some and he will pick some. I don’t believe he has been given a list of 5 and he has the final say on them at all  

[London blue]

Expecting a manager to be at least competent at managing a team, devising game by game strategy, contract planning and negotiation, succession planning and other non football activities is unrealistic in the extreme nowadays.

[Mattyblue]

Well if Rudy says so.

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, London blue said:

Expecting a manager to be at least competent at managing a team, devising game by game strategy, contract planning and negotiation, succession planning and other non football activities is unrealistic in the extreme nowadays.

Non of which are requisites to be our manager

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, London blue said:

Expecting a manager to be at least competent at managing a team, devising game by game strategy, contract planning and negotiation, succession planning and other non football activities is unrealistic in the extreme nowadays.

All football related I said - again it’s a preference of mine and only emphasised by the fact we are run by a bunch of morons 

[KentExile]

29 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

We keep saying about the Brentford model etc about having a director of football and a coach they liase in this perfect world and brilliant for Brentford that’s worked but it’s not a one glove fits all method - if it was all clubs would do it and we currently have one of the worst run clubs about

 

Just about the bold bit, I think most clubs do use this model now.  Certainly the vast majority of Premier League teams, and over 75% of Championship teams have someone with a title which amounts to "Director of Football" or similar.  

I will grant that the manager/head coach of some of these teams have more say so than others, which is normally directly correlated with their prior level of success (ie Guardiola, Klopp etc were given more say so as they were "known quantities").  But even so, Man City, Liverpool Arsenal etc do have a "Director of Football"

Edited Friday at 08:06 by KentExile

[Rover1984]

2 hours ago, Ossydave said:

The fact that it's taken a month to get Kargbo even in the country (I think? No sightings of him up to now) kind of confirms he was far from our number 1 target.

I do quite like the look of him mind, although I am falling into the trap of youtube clips admittedly. 

Problem is, looking at the quoted fees mentioned, to most clubs its a low cost risk, to the wankers in charge of the purse strings it's probably our entire budget, or 90% of it 🤔 

Who knows if he can cut it. If a player likes to commit defenders and be direct towards the opposition goal then he’s already better than what we have. We find it too easy to play sideways/backwards, Need players to mentally drain the opposing defence and keep them on the backfoot

[Mattyblue]

Everyone has gone down the DoF route, but a bit like everybody now playing Pep ball, is football actually better for it?

Edited Friday at 08:01 by Mattyblue

[Emerald Isle Rover]

6 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Just about the bold bit, I think most clubs do use this model now.  Certainly the vast majority of Premier League teams, and over 75% of Championship teams have someone with a title which amounts to "Director of Football" or similar.  

I will grant that the manager/head coach of some of these teams have more say so than others, which is normally directly correlated with their prior level of success (ie Guardiola, Klopp etc were given more say so as they were "known quantities").  But even so, Man City, Liverpool Arsenal etc do have a "Director of Football")

And that’s the jist of it for me the amount of say/control a manager has or should have - again to reiterate I’m not saying it doesn’t work I’m saying it doesn’t work for our club as the ones above have no interest at all 

[47er]

23 minutes ago, rigger said:

Non of which are requisites to be our manager

True but, for once, this current one meets our needs. He just lacks support.

[islander200]

1 hour ago, roverblue said:

Criminal the club didn’t reinvest £10m at least of all the sales in the summer window. We are being run like we are in administration rather than a functioning football club.

We could have signed 10 players for that considering the club haven't spent more than £1 million on an initial fee for an individual in 2 and a half seasons

[islander200]

24 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Everyone has gone down the DoF route, but a bit like everybody now playing Pep ball, is football actually better for it?

It's a tough one pre the dof era managers in this country where given time in the job now most manager don't last a season so I can see why  they don't have the say they once did when it comes to recruitment 

At this club and under this ownership having a dof Is pointless as they leave quicker than the manager.

We have too high a turnover of backroom staff to implement any sort of long term plan for the club .

Plus how many models has this ownership gone through during their tenure,they stick with nothing here.