January Transfer window

[Exiled_Rover]

17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

All our ESC spots are taken anyway, Toth, Ohashi, Kargbo & Mafoumbi.

That Mafoumbi signing is looking stranger and stranger. He's not even sniffed the first team bench. 

[roverandout]

I go to bed tonight expecting a miracle.  I'll probably go to be tomorrow realising it was all a pipe dream 

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

Thanks, forgot all about Kargbo taking the last slot for some reason.

I do see Toth and Ohashi have enough points for the exceptions panel, I think based on playing for us now...Ohashi has 14 points. I don't think you can apply for a year though? And even if you could, Swag etc don't have the nous to realise nor do it.

In this circumstance, the qualifying time is one full transfer window having passed since the player was registered.

This suggests we can apply for Toth and Ohashi to become non ESC players on Tuesday.

Presumably (I’m guessing here!) we could sign a foreign player tomorrow and then wait one day to apply for his permit.

The one year qualifying time only relates to being able to transition to a non ESC player through playing the requisite minutes for the club.

Edited to correct - player needs 15 points (ie auto qualifies) - having enough points for exceptions panel isn’t sufficient.

Edited 13 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[bluebruce]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

In this circumstance, the qualifying time is one full transfer window having passed since the player was registered.

This suggests we can apply for Toth and Ohashi to become non ESC players on Tuesday.

Presumably (I’m guessing here!) we could sign a foreign player tomorrow and then wait one day to apply for his permit.

The one year qualifying time only relates to being able to transition to a non ESC player through playing the requisite minutes for the club.

 

I guess if we were desperate we could try to get Ohashi qualified after the window shuts and get a freebie.

So that last bit, you're saying you can try for an exceptions panel qualification after one full transfer window (ie Tuesday), but can't apply for auto qualification through minutes played for the club until a year?

[Exiled_Rover]

5 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

In this circumstance, the qualifying time is one full transfer window having passed since the player was registered.

This suggests we can apply for Toth and Ohashi to become non ESC players on Tuesday.

Presumably (I’m guessing here!) we could sign a foreign player tomorrow and then wait one day to apply for his permit.

The one year qualifying time only relates to being able to transition to a non ESC player through playing the requisite minutes for the club.

 

Toth certainly isn't going to qualify, he hasn't played. Ohashi has played half a season so I suspect he won't qualify either.

[M_B]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes been saying all January that we need some improvements so if he isnt happy, I think he will say.

He might say, but that isn't doing a Tomasson.

I think he'll say we go with what we've got, couldn't imagine him throwing the toys out the pram.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

25 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So where are Eustace's 'two or three' quality experienced players coming in?

Forshaw - joke signing 

Kargbo - an unknown punt - different type of player but similar outlay/profile to Gueye.

Sanderson (an ok loan as a squad filler).

If the Portuguese lad comes I'd say that isn't a bad loan either). 

From a defensive point of view - a decent window.  

However, everyone knows where the issues in our squad are.  All season we've been told we need  to add quality at the top end. 

If Kargbo and another young loan are the best we can do, it's really poor.  

We need to buy either another quality wide player or striker.  Preferably both.

We won't.  I imagine Leonard will go out and Danns come in. That will be it. 

🥜 🥜 spent. 

 

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Deserves to be backed more...Owners are a feckin disgrace.Full stop.

No Rovers fan can be happy with this situation,this is our best chance to reach the play off's in years.

Edited 13 hours ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[wilsdenrover]

25 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

We might not get the full amount of ESC slots again in the summer. You get less slots if too many minutes have been given to non-English (or might be non-British) players, regardless of whether they have a work permit. Not been a problem before, but not sure whether Ohashi, Gueye and Toth have had enough minutes to cut into it. My guess would be not quite, still got a few months to go though.

For four slots you need at least 35% of your ‘weighted’ minutes played to have been by English players.

A very quick calculation suggests we’re on over 55%**

** On top of this, if an English player is injured, his minutes are pro-rata’d during the time he’s injured.

** On top of that, if an English player is out on loan, 50% on the minutes he plays on loan are also added.

TLDR - I don’t think there’s any risk of us losing any spots for next year.

 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[bluebruce]

10 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Toth certainly isn't going to qualify, he hasn't played. Ohashi has played half a season so I suspect he won't qualify either.

Toth has 12 of the 15 needed points, but 10 of those are for being in this league so I doubt we'd be able to make the case. Ohashi has 14 which is very close to qualification, clearly he would have 15 if he hadn't had the injuries, so it's possible we could make the case (if we were signing him from another Championship club, say, he's extremely close to auto qualifying). I don't know what percent of minutes are needed for auto qualification after a year (from what Wilsden said I think that's a different thing) 

[roversfan99]

[bluebruce]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

For four slots you need at least 35% of your ‘weighted’ minutes played to have been English players.

A very quick calculation suggests we’re on over 55%**

On top of this, if an English player is injured, his minutes are pro-rata’d during the time he’s injured.

On top of that, if an English player is out on loan, 50% on the minutes he plays on loan are also added.

TLDR - I don’t think there’s any risk of us losing any spots for next year.

 

 

 

Oh that's a lot less than I thought, I thought it was 3 if you dropped to 75% or so, then 2 if you dropped to 50% or so, etc.

Our only non-Brit players who have been used are Siggy (barely featured), Toth (2 or so appearances) Ohashi and Gueye. Ohashi has been injured for a while, both have spent a chunk of time on the bench. I'd guess we are above 80%.

[wilsdenrover]

58 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I guess if we were desperate we could try to get Ohashi qualified after the window shuts and get a freebie.

So that last bit, you're saying you can try for an exceptions panel qualification after one full transfer window (ie Tuesday), but can't apply for auto qualification through minutes played for the club until a year?

Ohashi would need to be on 15 points (apologies for earlier error regarding this) which I think you now believe he might be.

If he is then yes to one full transfer window (and yes to a year for minutes played)

Regulation below:

Edited 13 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[Waggy76]

6 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Deserves to be backed more...Owners are a feckin disgrace.Full stop.

No Rovers fan can be happy with this situation,this is our best chance to reach the play off's in years.

Very true and probably our last one for a few years... 

Venkys Out! 

[wilsdenrover]

2 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Oh that's a lot less than I thought, I thought it was 3 if you dropped to 75% or so, then 2 if you dropped to 50% or so, etc.

Our only non-Brit players who have been used are Siggy (barely featured), Toth (2 or so appearances) Ohashi and Gueye. Ohashi has been injured for a while, both have spent a chunk of time on the bench. I'd guess we are above 80%.

It’s non English, so there’s Hyam and Hedges too - you also seem to have forgotten Tronstad 😬

[islander200]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Pathetic we are gonna end up with another prospect from another academy as our striker target and he won't be anywhere near as good as Danns 

Only a few days ago Slot said he had been impressed by McDonnell and he wouldn't be going on loan 

Trying to get promoted my arse...

Edited 13 hours ago by islander200

[wilsdenrover]

11 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Toth has 12 of the 15 needed points, but 10 of those are for being in this league so I doubt we'd be able to make the case. Ohashi has 14 which is very close to qualification, clearly he would have 15 if he hadn't had the injuries, so it's possible we could make the case (if we were signing him from another Championship club, say, he's extremely close to auto qualifying). I don't know what percent of minutes are needed for auto qualification after a year (from what Wilsden said I think that's a different thing) 

25% of matches + 50% of minutes. (Both exclude matches when suspended/injured)

Edited 13 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[wilsdenrover]

59 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Toth certainly isn't going to qualify, he hasn't played. Ohashi has played half a season so I suspect he won't qualify either.

Based on the other criteria not the games/minutes one (although I’ve got confused as to if @bluebruce thinks Ohashi is on 14 or 15 points!)

Edited 13 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

8 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Pathetic we are gonna end up with another prospect from another academy as our striker target and he won't be anywhere near as good as Danns 

Only a few days ago Slot said he had been impressed by McDonnell and he wouldn't be going on loan 

Trying to get promoted my arse...

He's a midfielder isn't he 🤷🏻‍♂️

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

He's a midfielder isn't he 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yeah McDonnell a midfielder 

Our striker will come from another academy when we lose out on Danns 

Absolute joke this...can't wait to hear Gestede wax lyrical about the window 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Yeah McDonnell a midfielder 

Our striker will come from another academy when we lose out on Danns 

Absolute joke this...can't wait to hear Gestede wax lyrical about the window 

I suspect you are overlooking the possibility that we end up empty handed.

[Fraserkirky]

So now it’s Ribiero, O’Donnell and Mohammed?? Cool

[Mercer]

An immense battle for the play-offs with all clubs down to 13th placed Millwall in with a shout.

Some are giving their prospects a 'real go' whilst we seem to be p1ssing about on the periphery.

IMO, yet another great play-off chance set to be blown by both our highly incompetent owners and management.

The resultant I think will be the almost certain loss of Eustace this summer, if not before.

[47er]

56 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Don't think he will 

Our form was out the window and we were on a major slide down the table,  Jdt also knew he had a job waiting for him 

I'd expect Eustace to say he is dissapointed but then will go on to back the lads ,even though he will be fuming 

Eustace has done very well here. It will have been noticed and he'll have no problem getting a job with an ambitious

Championship club. I'm not saying he will but he definitely could if he wanted it.

[47er]

34 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

No Rovers fan can be happy with this situation,

Oh how much I wish that were true!