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27 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I bet it's more to do with a) getting his wages off the books b) seeing if he can hack it in men's football.

He's hardly set the world alight in England so far. 

I'd have thought a loan to an English club made more sense, since it's not just getting used to men's football but also England and English football.

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Could we go full Blackburn Rovers (post Venkys) here and waste an ESC slot on a youngster we're loaning out thinking it will give us one, sell Leonard as the other youngster to give us some spends, to ultimately fail due to not having ESC slots when trying to buy a striker from Europe worth a fee? 

 

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1 minute ago, B16Rover said:

Could we go full Blackburn Rovers (post Venkys) here and waste an ESC slot on a youngster we're loaning out thinking it will give us one, sell Leonard as the other youngster to give us some spends, to ultimately fail due to not having ESC slots when trying to buy a striker from Europe worth a fee? 

 

You've outed Waggots January 2025 cunning plan 6 hours early.

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4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I'd have thought a loan to an English club made more sense, since it's not just getting used to men's football but also England and English football.

The fact he's going to the Belgian second tier suggests perhaps that we couldn't arrange a loan to an English club.

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31 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Ah c'mon, he's a good player. 

Is he?  I don't remember him for Forest but he played approx. 25 games in both seasons when they finished 7th and 17th respectively before he was released... He was released by Legia Warsaw after 3 seasons, and has played 15 times for Braga who are prepared to let him leave on loan after 6 months....  

He's probably adequate backup for Beck as a short term option, but I can't pretend to be excited by his arrival. 

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2 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Could we go full Blackburn Rovers (post Venkys) here and waste an ESC slot on a youngster we're loaning out thinking it will give us one, sell Leonard as the other youngster to give us some spends, to ultimately fail due to not having ESC slots when trying to buy a striker from Europe worth a fee? 

 

All totally accidentally, of course. "We are confused".

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4 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Could we go full Blackburn Rovers (post Venkys) here and waste an ESC slot on a youngster we're loaning out thinking it will give us one, sell Leonard as the other youngster to give us some spends, to ultimately fail due to not having ESC slots when trying to buy a striker from Europe worth a fee? 

 

2025 scandal is underway 

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8 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Could we go full Blackburn Rovers (post Venkys) here and waste an ESC slot on a youngster we're loaning out thinking it will give us one, sell Leonard as the other youngster to give us some spends, to ultimately fail due to not having ESC slots when trying to buy a striker from Europe worth a fee? 

 

We could do better than that.

You can register a player without him having a work permit so the club could make the assumptions you referred to, sign the player, pay the fee etc etc and then…

…have  the shock of  the ESC application being turned down and a player they can do nothing with!

They couldn’t, could they…

 

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2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

As far as I understand it; first it was a straight cash deal - then at some point shortly after he was told the deal was off and not to get on the plane. By that point he'd already said goodbye to Orlando and his agent thought he'd be able to get a deal elsewhere, if not at Rovers. 

So clearly someone at Rovers (Suhail?) decided there's no way we're paying £3m for someone and scuppered the deal.

It's at this point that I think Broughton went rogue - bearing in mind McGuire was sat in a Sheffield hotel lobby - and tried to rescue the deal with Orlando by offered a loan with a mandatory buying fee. Obviously by now Orlando were pissed off, so asked for £1m+ more, which we agreed to. 

Again someone at Rovers scuppered this at the last possible moment by 'forgetting to press send'. Silvestre fell on his sword and Broughton was sacked shortly after. 

Was just reviewing the Athletic article on the saga: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5252239/2024/02/06/blackburn-rovers-duncan-mcguire-transfer/ (sorry paywall). Not like there's much else to read at the moment...

Yup, that's the general reported story. We had agreed on ~£3m + add-ons that could bring the total to £5m (after some early loan offers were rejected, only offered a permanent deal once the Wharton sale was almost done), plus a sell-on for Orlando.

McGuire left Orlando's Mexico camp for NYC the morning before deadline day. That's when Venky's informed Waggott, Broughton, and JDT there's no money for the deal (LET also confirmed this). GB apologetically called Orlando saying the deal was off. Orlando tried calling McGuire back, but he left for Manchester.

His agent sent McGuire to that Sheffield hotel as a Sheffield Wed deal was looking more likely. Apparently, his agent then called GB asking if they were still interested with the Wharton sale done. GB said they could still only do a loan. Orlando, wanting money upfront to make their own deals, insisted on a sizeable loan fee. Agreed on a £550k loan fee + £5.5m purchase option + £2m add-ons + Orlando sell-on. So, potentially £3m more than the previous agreement, including the add-ons (LET, for their part, said these figures are 'inflated'). Agent still haggling between Blackburn and Sheffield Wed. GB used some data to make the final sell. McGuire and agent went to Blackburn to sign the deal...

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4 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

We could do better than that.

You can register a player without him having a work permit so the club could make the assumptions you referred to, sign the player, pay the fee etc etc and then…

…have  the shock of  the ESC application being turned down and a player they can do nothing with!

They couldn’t, could they…

 

That would entail paying an ineligible player a salary (and a transfer fee). As their ultimate goal is to spend no money I'm afraid I find this scenario far too far fetched.

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

Is he?  I don't remember him for Forest but he played approx. 25 games in both seasons when they finished 7th and 17th respectively before he was released... He was released by Legia Warsaw after 3 seasons, and has played 15 times for Braga who are prepared to let him leave on loan after 6 months....  

He's probably adequate backup for Beck as a short term option, but I can't pretend to be excited by his arrival. 

If he arrives...

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1 minute ago, Penwortham Blue said:

This is just nuts, we don’t even appear to being linked with anyone (aside the Braga lad) and yet 6 hours before the window slams shut, we are still expecting to bring at least two in 🤯 

Surely, if anything was remotely likely, Unleaded would have had a sniff 🤷‍♂️

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