January Transfer window

[wilsdenrover]

7 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Thanks for the clarification. I hadn’t appreciated the forecast requirement for the current year, which kind of makes a mockery of the process.
e.g. If Rovers were to get to the play off final & then sell Hayden Carter in June the forecast submitted in March would be radically different from the actual year end P&L. 

They would, I’ll have a closer nosey at the regs later on to see if and how this is covered. 👍

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, BigHoz said:

I’d be worried if Dennis and kargbo can’t displace hedges and Dolan. 

I just think playing those two out wide from the start will make us very open, something I personally can't se Eustace doing.

Unless of course we can start them, get a couple of goals up by the hour mark and bring on the more hardworking players then.

[TommyRovers]

Better than I expected which isn’t difficult to be honest.

Dennis is a quality striker. No idea how fit he can possibly be but if he gets up and running he’s a good signing. Risky though.

Woodrow is an odd one. Prolific with Barnsley, not great with Luton.

This squad is capable of top 6 with Eustace. Fascinating to see how he fits these two in with his system.

[KentExile]

9 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I still think Dolan and Hedges will start the majority of games, while there attacking output isn't great, they both keep the shape of the side really well and make us a lot more organised. When they come off when we are winning we usually end up hanging on for dear life.

Think Kargbo & Dennis will be mainly used off the bench to stretch games with there pace.

No idea where Woodrow fits in.

 

4 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

I’d be worried if Dennis and kargbo can’t displace hedges and Dolan. 

I think we will see Dolan or Hedges or one side, and Dennis or Kargbo on the other, at least in the majority of games, due to Dolan/Hedges ability to keep the team shape, and let Dennis/Kargbo drift into dangerous space.  

Allows us to bring like for like off the bench too, to freshen things up, or go all out attack (or defence) late in games

 

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

1 minute ago, BigHoz said:

I’d be worried if Dennis and kargbo can’t displace hedges and Dolan. 

Having not really seen much of Dennis and Kargbo - it could be an interesting dilemma for Eustace. Though, as forwards, Dolan and Hedges should contribute far more threat - but in terms of hard work they contribute to our defensive shape. So we may find the defensive shape (on which much of our early season form was built on) could be disrupted.

Who would be a manager 🤔 

[joey_big_nose]

I would say a relatively good window by our poor January standards but unfortunately everyone around us seems to have had a stormer.

Hope Dennis and Woodrow can show their best historical form rather than the last couple of years. Big ask given they have played so little football.

[Paul Mani]

26 minutes ago, ruggles1995 said:

I have to say I do think we could benefit off a 10 if Gueye continued his form, hes crying out for someone to get on the pieces around him to do the finishing. Cantwell is technically very good but he doesnt have the goal instinct and seems to go walkies to try and find the ball. Woodrow could end up being good then if hes more offensive up there in that role. 

Yeah, I think so too. It’s all about what JE can get out of the new lads to the end of the season. I wouldn’t bet against him!

[Penwortham Blue]

We have spent virtually no money, made no long term signings, likely blown the one off FFP which had developed and left the signings that we did make until the very last minute, when they were needed a month ago ! Having said that, we have undoubtedly now got a better squad and options than we had going into the window and at least it gives Eustace a fighting chance of keeping us in the play off race.

[Admiral Nelsen]

7 minutes ago, KentExile said:

 

I think we will see Dolan or Hedges or one side, and Dennis or Kargbo on the other, at least in the majority of games, due to Dolan/Hedges ability to keep the team shape, and let Dennis/Kargbo drift into dangerous space.  

 

 

If either Dennis or Kargbo are as quick as I'm hoping they are (and obviously not totally deficient in other areas) then having at least one of them in the team should be hugely beneficial for Dolan, Cantwell and Gueye.

It's so much easier to defend when all the play is in front of you and you don't have to worry about players running in behind. Having a player who can do that well shouldn't just be another string to our bow in attack, it should also give the players not doing that more space and time on the ball. 

[Paul Mani]

26 minutes ago, ruggles1995 said:

I have to say I do think we could benefit off a 10 if Gueye continued his form, hes crying out for someone to get on the pieces around him to do the finishing. Cantwell is technically very good but he doesnt have the goal instinct and seems to go walkies to try and find the ball. Woodrow could end up being good then if hes more offensive up there in that role. 

Yeah, I think so too. It’s all about what JE can get out of the new lads to the end of the season. I wouldn’t bet against him!

 

15 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

I’d be worried if Dennis and kargbo can’t displace hedges and Dolan. 

Exactly! So, if neither of them play that much, then the signings have been a success and my bet is that we’re in the top 6! 

[JHRover]

20 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Out of the 26 players that can be registered, 11 of them are out of contract or going back to there parent clubs.

Beck, ACD, Sanderson, Woodrow, Dennis, Forshaw, Riberio, Siggurdson, Dolan, Weimann & Batth. Also Hedges & Hyam but they have 1 year options.

It's summer 2026 that will be the killer with Brittain, Hyam, Travis, Tronstad & Hedges all out of contract.

Hasn't played for 9 months, not expecting much from him which is poor seeing as he's been bought in as the marquee signing.

I still think Dolan and Hedges will start the majority of games, while there attacking output isn't great, they both keep the shape of the side really well and make us a lot more organised. When they come off when we are winning we usually end up hanging on for dear life.

Think Kargbo & Dennis will be mainly used off the bench to stretch games with there pace.

No idea where Woodrow fits in.

I don't believe the club has any intention or even desire to retain people like Brittain, Hyam, Travis, Tronstad or Hedges. They would only do it if those players agreed to substantial pay cuts, which isn't going to happen as they will all be looking for their final 'big' contracts and certainly the first four could walk into most other Championship clubs and get a better deal. 

The clue is in the fact that all were signed / contracted before the 'change' in the summer of 2023 when they overnight slashed the budget and the legal issues came to light. Since then with one or two minor exceptions, such as new deals for Szmodics and Wharton so they could be swiftly sold off, and a few of the academy lads, renewals have totally dried up.

There's an iceberg up ahead and the club won't or can't do anything to avoid it. The happy clappers who ignore all this and pretend everything is wonderful might think they are 'super fans' but they are going to be in for a rude awakening when we are stripped bare of all our remaining quality and assets within the next 16 months. 

[sharpysharps86]

Glad I woke up to the news that Rovers didn't eff it up this time, although it's still pretty unclear what they're going to do regarding squad registration.

Dennis is a higher calibre player, but time will tell if they can get him up to speed before the season runs out. I'm not expecting him to make an instant impact. Kargbo is hopefully one who surprises us all.

As for the rest of the signings...lets face it, they're all squad fillers that gives us more options off the bench. Ribeiro is a decent pick up, but I wish it was a longer contract. Hopefully Woodrow prefers it up north and recaptures his Barnsley form.

[Devon Rover]

Dennis will potentially be a good addition for the next three months - but all depends on his fitness levels.

Other than that, we have spent virtually nothing, after previously generating significant amounts in transfer fees whilst reducing costs. There was no impediment to spend other than the owners' decision.

For those reasons, it was a very poor transfer window in which we fell further behind our current main rivals, whilst also growing the proportion of our squad that will not be contracted to the club for next season and not even investing in potential, to generate transfer fees in future.

It all seems devoid of any strategy and like a club treading water, at best. I can't feel particularly positive about this transfer window, nor the ones ahead, for as long as Venkys' curse is hanging over us.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, cesus said:

I feel underwhelmed because I think this could have been a push year. The manager has worked miracles with an extremely stretched squad, I think the league is as poor as it has been for years. 

We have more wriggle room than we have had for ages due to sales with regards to PSR. Next season is a blank canvas due to exits, I think we could have pushed the budget far harder than we have.

 

The league was this poor a couple of years ago - it goes in cycles based on the quality of the parachute payment clubs. 

Sheffield United, Burnley and Luton all got BATTERED in the Premier League last year.

Edited 2 hours ago by Exiled_Rover

[RoverDom]

Overall we're stronger after Janaury than before

- Sanderson for Fadz - meh. Probably won't play much, could get more minutes out of Sanderson but probably lose an extra defensive coach

- Forshaw - clear downgrade on baker

- Riberio - Good to get cover for Beck 

- Kargbo - remains to be seen but a positive addition on the face of it

- Dennis - cracking signing if he's fit and ready to go. Shitshow if it takes him 6 weeks to get up to speed. 

- Woodrow - meh. Another body, could rediscover his form, could flop.

Overall the squad is better than 1st of January but it should be better, a lot better. There's a lot of gambles in there and short term ones at that and our rivals squads have improved significantly more than ours. One of these seasons we need to roll the dice and splash some money in January when we're in a strong position. 

 

If recent player sales have created head room with FFP, there are (allegedly) no restrictions on venkys sending cash and (allegedly) they are committed and willing to fund the club. What exactly is the reason for not spending? And don't be giving us "January is a difficult month" because look what boro have done. 

 

That said our signings could turn out to boss and we pip boro to the play offs thanks to own goals from their signings. 

 

[Bbrovers2288]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

Some folk are easily pleased ☝️

Bit catty from you mate

of course I would love us to spend money and plan for the future but when in the last how many januarys have we actually done that. Until we get rid of venkys I’m afraid this is just what we have. With Dennis we have somebody that can win games and change how we attack, that to me is a positive , as we were so slow and one dimensional before. If it means I don’t have to scratch my eyes out with hedges and Dolan all the time I will take that. Surely it beats John fleck and whoever else we got last January 

[Atko's Engine]

19 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I would say a relatively good window by our poor January standards but unfortunately everyone around us seems to have had a stormer.

Hope Dennis and Woodrow can show their best historical form rather than the last couple of years. Big ask given they have played so little football.

Boro's storming window resulted in two own goals last night from newbies....

[TheRevAshton]

Ben Doak is gonna be out for a short while too, picked up an injury in training - a key player for Boro.

Wish him well and would never celebrate the lad being injured by any means - but if their squad is weaker, it's positive news for our playoff hopes.

Edited 1 hour ago by TheRevAshton

[paullarrygher]

I can see Siggy as the man being left out. I suspect he gets a move to Sweden/Norway in the next few weeks and Dennis will play across front 3 if required.

Dennis to me seems like a massive risk. No football in 9 months...assuming he's been in full training for whole season, he's gonna need a good 6 weeks to build match fitness before he can play 90 minutes.

[philipl]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

I would omit Forshaw from the registered 25. Harsh but that's life.

No way is he better than Sigurdsson. 

Ohashi, Gueye, Dolan, Hedges, Leonard, Cantwell, Sigurdsson, Woodrow, Kargbo, Dennis with JRC, Beck and Buckley as options and Tyjon and Gilsenan when fit. 16 players vying for the forward 3 plus 1. 

Can't complain about a lack of bodies. Whether there are many goals there is another question.

Forgot Weimann!

Eustace asked for bodies, he got bodies. Remains to be seen how much breath there is in them. 

[jim mk2]

9 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

We  left the signings that we did make until the very last minute, when they were needed a month ago ! 

These are questions that the management need to answer (not that they'd give an honest reply)

Assuming the club has done forward planning (ha!) and these players were identified as targets before the window opened, because they were cheap and surplus to requirements at their clubs, why weren't they signed at the start of the window?

Or were they in fact desperation signings as the club fished around for any player at the bottom of the barrel who was still available and not wanted by anyone else on the very last day?

 

 

 

[davulsukur]

We've obviously got a bit of a battle on our hands to secure a play off place. Our crown jewel probably being our manager as opposed to any of our players.

The bigger issue is that despite battling out for a top 6 spot, the chances of us winning the play offs have diminished significantly. 

Sheff Utd, Sunderland and Dingles have all strengthened what were already good squads and Leeds are still carrying a very good squad. 

Boro signed a few and if WBA did sign Adam Armstrong it makes our life a lot more difficult. 

JE might be able to squeeze enough out of this lot to nick a place in the top 6, but in my opinion we'll just fall short, however even if he did, we haven't got enough to get past 2 of the current top 4 to make it to the promised land. 

There was a real opportunity but as always, the club have let us down again.

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

Thanks for the clarification. I hadn’t appreciated the forecast requirement for the current year, which kind of makes a mockery of the process.
e.g. If Rovers were to get to the play off final & then sell Hayden Carter in June the forecast submitted in March would be radically different from the actual year end P&L. 

 

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

They would, I’ll have a closer nosey at the regs later on to see if and how this is covered. 👍

I think the answer is:

If the forecast doesn’t anticipate a breach of P&S then events such as your example are of no relevance (in regard to P&S) as all it means is the club will stay within the limits  by an even wider margin.

If the forecast shows there is a risk of a breach then the following applies (with the club possibly having to sell a player by 30/6 to keep within the P&S limits):

I hope that all makes sense, and I’m sorry if I’ve bored anyone with this 😁

I would have sent this to  @Herbie6590 by DM but that facility still seems to be broken.

edited to add:

I believe there are two types of ‘punishment’

Those due to a potential breach (based on the projected accounts plus the previous two years final accounts)

Those due to an actual breach (based on the finalised accounts (EFL submission deadline 31/12) + the previous two years final accounts) 

This would explain (and I know my example is PL) why:

* Man U have just announced they’re at risk of breaching the limits    for 24/25 but…

* The PL have only recently announced no one breached the rules for 23/24.

Edited 53 minutes ago by wilsdenrover

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

Impressive, he's never played for Wolves 🤔

correct. 

1 hour ago, Ricky said:

West Brom seem to have had a good window as do Boro.

West Brom sold their number 1 and didn't

 

replace him. Adam Armstrong hasn't officially join yet. Maybe paperwork problems

Boro has sold goalscorer and didn't spend any of that on permanently replacement but just loan striker which surprised me. Whittaker signing is good business by then Giles helps depth on the left side. 1st choice keeper signed down to first choice and second choice injured. A loan attacking player from Villa. 

Is that good? Not overly convinced but we see

[TugaysMarlboro]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

correct. 

West Brom sold their number 1 and didn't

 

replace him. Adam Armstrong hasn't officially join yet. Maybe paperwork problems

Boro has sold goalscorer and didn't spend any of that on permanently replacement but just loan striker which surprised me. Whittaker signing is good business by then Giles helps depth on the left side. 1st choice keeper signed down to first choice and second choice injured. A loan attacking player from Villa. 

Is that good? Not overly convinced but we see

So like us in the summer and this window?