January Transfer window

[Admiral Nelsen]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you think those 2 teams have had better or worse windows than us? If you had to put the 3 clubs in order of the business done, what would it be.

Boro for me have undoubtedly had a better one. Latte Lath is a big loss, but Iheanacho is obviously a far more eye catching signing. They have also added Whittaker and Iling Junior which blows us out of the water and their attacking options are really strong. You love Giles, im not convinced by him, but Travers is a very good signing who should help them to concede less goals. Overall, they end the window miles stronger.

West Brom are obviously reliant on the Armstrong deal. They have spent big fees on 2 players who I know little about and also have loaned Lankshear. The keeper is a loss even though the one theyve recalled is very highly rated and has done well in League 1.

 

To be honest, I don't think it's possible to do that at the moment with any degree of confidence. It probably won't be for weeks.

The one thing you'd say about Rovers' window - for all its sort termism - is that we're not weaker. The Baker/Forshaw swap appears to be a downgrade so far, but everyone else is adding to the squad. Middlesbrough and West Brom have both lost key players, so there's immediate pressure on the players they bring to bring a lot to the table just to keep them at the same level. I know Boro signed Iheanacho but he wasn't that impressive in a stronger Leicester team. Armstrong would obviously be a massive coup if they get him, but if they don't then they're short of a recognised goal scorer and we know better than most how much damage a substandard new keeper can do. 

That's not to say that I think we've had a better window either. All of the players we've brought in in recent days are big unknown quantities in different ways. But it's possible that their windows could actually derail their seasons, whereas at worst we should have better depth than we had previously.

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I'm comparing a higher level of football to indicate one player is more talented than the other - isn't that relevant?

I think Dennis Is a better all round player than Armstrong 

You are comparing from years ago tho.When did Dennis last play a competitive minute in the Premier league?

Armstrong is a better goalscorer, and a better signing for this window that's a fact like. 

 

[jny]

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont get why it always reverts back to the same people calling others negative if they show any doubts or criticisms about our transfer business.

Sadly, the "happy clappers" don't even have the modicum of intelligence required to understand that criticism of the club is not the same as criticism of the team and that "moaning" as they call it, is the only recourse we have to changing anything to do with the club's running.

 

[Bohinen1983]

Are we putting the new boys straight into the matchday squad as subs? My concern would be tight hamstrings etc after lots of driving around the night before.. This business should have been sorted ages ago.. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 minute ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Are we putting the new boys straight into the matchday squad as subs? My concern would be tight hamstrings etc after lots of driving around the night before.. This business should have been sorted ages ago.. 

Woodrow dennis and Ribiero wouldn’t have been registered on time for tonight likely all in squad for Sundays cup game 

Kargbo will get minutes tonight 

[1874]

27 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Diallo got Sunderland into the Playoffs.

Coventry's cheating keeper got Sunderland into the playoffs

[MarkBRFC]

15 minutes ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

 

 

The one thing you'd say about Rovers' window - for all its sort termism - is that we're not weaker. The Baker/Forshaw swap appears to be a downgrade so far, but everyone else is adding to the squad. Middlesbrough and West Brom have both lost key players, so there's immediate pressure on the players they bring to bring a lot to the table just to keep them at the same level. I know Boro signed Iheanacho but he wasn't that impressive in a stronger Leicester team. Armstrong would obviously be a massive coup if they get him, but if they don't then they're short of a recognised goal scorer and we know better than most how much damage a substandard new keeper can do. 

To be honest, that doesn't really bother me in January.

I think the January window is all about getting players who can make you better now, ready for the run in whether they are 4 years, 6 month, or just loan deals.

Time for signing players on long deals who you can hopefully develop and grow is the Summer window.

Not that I think we will do that of course.

[Admiral Nelsen]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

To be honest, that doesn't really bother me in January.

I think the January window is all about getting players who can make you better now, ready for the run in whether they are 4 years, 6 month, or just loan deals.

Time for signing players on long deals who you can hopefully develop and grow is the Summer window.

Not that I think we will do that of course.

 

Agree. Like others I hate the fact that we've brought in £40 million quid over the last year or so and the big majority of that seem to be going on operating costs. But loans and short term deals make sense to make sure we don't fall away after a strong start.

[Mashed Potatoes]

43 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Look, I know you love being the man to defend "just criticism" but the point is that our recruitment team 'wee with the willy we have'

Over the course of the previous few seasons, almost all of the signings have been met with a large degree of scepticism

I'm done with that. I'm well-versed to the fact we will be signing relatively unknown players, or young talent seeking to develop, or even older players in their twighlight. Because they are the pools we operate in. Am I happy about it? No. But will I constantly look to call those players 'crap' because they don't fit in with the Football Manager generation of 'wonderkids'? Nope.

And in fact, our progression has shown that largely we are getting it right. We have continued to outperform teams around us despite our budget constraints. Gueye - "crap"; Ohashi - "came from a crap league"; Weimann - "crap and old" etc etc etc etc

But despite all of that, this is another season we find ourselves in play off contention. We may not make it - fine. That's the horror of Championship football. But it looks as though this is another season that the hard-working & clearly very diligent recruitment team have taken a shoestring budget and produced a winning team

And so, with all that said and done, it has nothing to do with simply "getting behind the team ffs" and more to do with looking at the recent history and seeing that more often than not, the critique has been wrong, and the recruitment team has been right 

It's only February but this is the best post of the year.

[Exiled_Rover]

26 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I think Dennis Is a better all round player than Armstrong 

You are comparing from years ago tho.When did Dennis last play a competitive minute in the Premier league?

Armstrong is a better goalscorer, and a better signing for this window that's a fact like. 

 

Dennis has been left in the cold by a team competing for the Champions League spots.

Armstrong has been left in the cold by a team flirting with a record low points tally in the Premier League. 

[islander200]

14 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Dennis has been left in the cold by a team competing for the Champions League spots.

Armstrong has been left in the cold by a team flirting with a record low points tally in the Premier League. 

Doesn't change the fact Armstrong will be fit and ready to go in a league he has an excellent scoring record in 

Dennis hasn't played competitive football in ages and has been a 1 in 3 or 4 man throughout his career in England  

And on your first point,  Dennis wouldn't get in the Southampton team either. 

And both of them ain't prem quality

 

Edited 2 hours ago by islander200

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Dennis has been left in the cold by a team competing for the Champions League spots.

Armstrong has been left in the cold by a team flirting with a record low points tally in the Premier League. 

It’s a pointless comparison truth be told 

two totally different players 

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

It’s a pointless comparison truth be told 

two totally different players 

I'm not comparing them as players

I said Armstrong is a better goalscorer, and I think stats back me up in that

And due to the fact Armstrong can come in straight away ,fit and raring to go he is a better signing for this window 

It could be weeks before Dennis can play 90 minutes 

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Neal said:

Has there been any word on which squad member misses out? 

You'd have to think Sigurdsson or Pickering, right? Bet Forshaw has travelled with them to London. 

[Exiled_Rover]

54 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

That’s like saying any teams top performer means the manager influence is irrelevant - silly 

pep didn’t win the league - haaland did 

It's looking more and more like Rodri won them the league. 😉

[miqaayil]

For all the criticism i have shown against Vs ...i gotta say the problem is them and not really swag or gestede or anyone at rovers managing shit owners ...good window as we scrapped the barrel hard

[lraC]

All these pages of optimism, and pessimism, but all we can do is strap ourselves in for the ride and hope we succeed in at least a to 6 finish. 

[MarkBRFC]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

You'd have to think Sigurdsson or Pickering, right? Bet Forshaw has travelled with them to London. 

Be amazed if it's not Sigurdsson.

We have Kargbo, Dolan, Hedges, ACD, Weimann, Cantwell, Woodrow, Dennis, Ohashi, Gueye & Leonard for the four forward positions now.

Should something happen to Beck or Riberio around April time Pickering could become a crucial squad member again.

[joey_big_nose]

In a straight choice I am sure given their comparative records 95% of people would choose Armstrong over Dennis. Since 2018 Armstrong has 70 odd Championship goals in 130 appearances. He's one of the great recent scorers at this level and still only 27.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

6 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I'm not comparing them as players

I said Armstrong is a better goalscorer, and I think stats back me up in that

And due to the fact Armstrong can come in straight away ,fit and raring to go he is a better signing for this window 

It could be weeks before Dennis can play 90 minutes 

I’d have picked Armstrong too given he would be more match fit just a shame he only became available when we likely had the other deals done 

[miqaayil]

1 minute ago, joey_big_nose said:

In a straight choice I am sure given their comparative records 95% of people would choose Armstrong over Dennis. Since 2018 Armstrong has 70 odd Championship goals in 130 appearances. He's one of the great recent scorers at this level and still only 27.

i am going with dennis ...as we need someone like dennis and karbogo to play off gauye...think gauye will do 10-15 goals this season 

[booth]

11 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I'm not comparing them as players

I said Armstrong is a better goalscorer, and I think stats back me up in that

And due to the fact Armstrong can come in straight away ,fit and raring to go he is a better signing for this window 

It could be weeks before Dennis can play 90 minutes 

I'm amazed that this needs explaining.

[Ricceh]

Not sure it has been mentioned, but did anyone see Danns is injured? Probably why we avoided it. Back injury, could have hung out with Leonard.

[bluebruce]

22 minutes ago, miqaayil said:

For all the criticism i have shown against Vs ...i gotta say the problem is them and not really swag or gestede or anyone at rovers managing shit owners ...good window as we scrapped the barrel hard

Swag is definitely part of the problem.

[bluebruce]

9 minutes ago, Ricceh said:

Not sure it has been mentioned, but did anyone see Danns is injured? Probably why we avoided it. Back injury, could have hung out with Leonard.

None of the indications are that we avoided it. We won't know of course, but all the press talk had us very interested, but that the player chose Sunderland. The fact a team in 4th place and 13 points ahead of us took him on despite knowing about his back, suggests he won't be out long.