January Transfer window

[Emerald Isle Rover]

4 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

It’s just spin mate. Most players being signed in January are leaving because they’re out of the team, out of favour, out of form. The be  set players are being ‘taken’ from teams but Schlupp, BBD, O’Brien and even Danns are leaving because ultimately they can’t get in their own team, right?

Adam Armstrong - the messiah according to some on here is leaving Southampton because he’s been absolutely crap. He’s also scored less goals than in the Premier League (a much harder league) than our new forward and yet you’ve chosen to focus on Dennis not playing when ultimately there’s not a lot he can do if his parent club have 60 odd players? . Both pov’s are valid, you’re just choosing to focus on the negative. In truth, there’s not much to choose between Dennis and Armstrong, but at a push, removing the romance of a return, I’d say Dennis is a better player.

I don’t know what Eustace is happy with. If he knew we had the square root of fuck all to spend then he might look at the lads we’ve signed and be delighted?! 🤷🏽‍♂️

As a fan, I’m not happy because I think we should’ve invested at least £10m in fees this January. No one is saying we should be happy. But by hook or by crook, it would seem to me that the squad which started and finished January in 5th is now stronger than it was when the transfer window opened. How much stronger will be revealed over the next few weeks, but in the meantime, I’m focusing on what this group can achieve.

As JE’s biggest supporter, from this position, having got to Feb in 5th and added to the squad, if we don’t finish in the top 6, it’s as much on him as anyone else. We’ve got players returning and new enforcements. Get on with it, I say!

You can’t really be comparing players not playing for higher calibre teams than ourselves to the likes of Birmingham and Plymouth surely? That’s a ludicrous take 

Armstrong is fit and available would be my deciding factor over the two so again stats to me are irrelevant fitness isn’t 

and the last part about the rest is on JE if these are his players I’d agree but I suspect they are not so would be a tad unfair to blame him if he didn’t get the players he asked for in  

[Tugayisgod]

Nixons view on Rovers window - Agree or not ?

 

[Paul Mani]

18 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well, that's your opinion, I've got mine, hope Im completely wrong, the proof of the pudding will be in the results for the rest of the season.

If you're happy to be in "managed decline" and can just shrug your shoulders and accept it then that's entirely your prerogative.

What's  slightly irritating from my perspective is that earlier in the window you predicted the window would be shit (it was) that there would be no money spent (there wasnt) yet simply on the basis that some bodies have come in you now seem to be happy irrespective of the quality. Dennis has scored seven goals in four years and I dont think he's played this season. Will he be even able to get up to match fitness within a reasonable time frame? And we've supplemented him with a 30 year old with a similar scoring record who's registered 0 goals in 16 appearances this season.

I dont think we're going to need an abacus to keep the score for the rest of the season.

Rev, where in any of this have I said I’m happy?

We are in managed decline. It’s a fact. Look at the accounts and budgets, which diminish every year. I’m not shrugging my shoulders, but also, I don’t see the point in letting the fact that I despise what Venkys are doing, cloud every bit of my judgement.

So, I’m my eyes, the window could’ve gone much better, but also could’ve gone much worse! Either way, I believe the squad is stronger now than it was on Jan 1st and so honestly, the only thing I need Eustace to do is his flipping job. He got us to 5th on a shoe string, now I expect him to finish the job!

The end.

[bluebruce]

2 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Nixons view on Rovers window - Agree or not ?

 

The much maligned club? Go fuck yourself Nicko.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Nixon called waggott a supremo - his name and articles should be banned from these forums absolute stain that man is 

[islander200]

13 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

It’s just spin mate. Most players being signed in January are leaving because they’re out of the team, out of favour, out of form. The be  set players are being ‘taken’ from teams but Schlupp, BBD, O’Brien and even Danns are leaving because ultimately they can’t get in their own team, right?

Adam Armstrong - the messiah according to some on here is leaving Southampton because he’s been absolutely crap. He’s also scored less goals than in the Premier League (a much harder league) than our new forward and yet you’ve chosen to focus on Dennis not playing when ultimately there’s not a lot he can do if his parent club have 60 odd players? . Both pov’s are valid, you’re just choosing to focus on the negative. In truth, there’s not much to choose between Dennis and Armstrong, but at a push, removing the romance of a return, I’d say Dennis is a better player.

I don’t know what Eustace is happy with. If he knew we had the square root of fuck all to spend then he might look at the lads we’ve signed and be delighted?! 🤷🏽‍♂️

As a fan, I’m not happy because I think we should’ve invested at least £10m in fees this January. No one is saying we should be happy. But by hook or by crook, it would seem to me that the squad which started and finished January in 5th is now stronger than it was when the transfer window opened. How much stronger will be revealed over the next few weeks, but in the meantime, I’m focusing on what this group can achieve.

As JE’s biggest supporter, from this position, having got to Feb in 5th and added to the squad, if we don’t finish in the top 6, it’s as much on him as anyone else. We’ve got players returning and new enforcements. Get on with it, I say!

Yes top 6 chasing teams have signed out of favour players not denying that 

The difference is they sign out of favour players from a higher level , they don't sign players who can't get in the team at the bottom club ,or defenders who can't make their place in League 1 

As for Armstrong, his goal record In the championship is excellent,  not arsed how he had done in the prem, West Brom havent signed him for the prem they have signed him to make top 6. Dennis hasn't played a competitive game in 9 months. Armstrong is a much safer signing than Dennis. It will take him time before he can play 90 minutes 

[islander200]

11 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Nixons view on Rovers window - Agree or not ?

 

He is talking a load of shite 

One of his replies to someone was "Eustace got the experience he wanted " Now up to him to deliver top 6"

I then replied to him that Eustace didn't got what he wanted as you said he wanted BTA,Schlupp, Bamford, Wallace etc 

He then came back saying that those players where unaffordable 

[Paul Mani]

55 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Elliot confirmed interest in schlupp, bamford and danns 

said bbd was never on the cards 

theres still a massive issue though Paul. Fans can feel rightly aggrieved or lied to as waggott openly told us that ffp isn’t an issue he said there is money to spend and venkys will support that. All these loans and short term deals would suggest that’s not the case

now Ribiero and Dennis for me could be really really good signings. But as fans we have the right to ask why the last day? Dennis clearly wasn’t their top target so who was and what was the reason for moving on?

my big issue is the timing and I’m sorry not for one second am I having it’s hard as a valid excuse. Plenty other teams got business done well before yesterday so to me that’s not good enough reason 

what’s the plan? I’d love to know like is this the ‘all in make or break’ short term signings for top 6? As come the summer we could be losing around 11 players and likely the manager too

No one is saying we / you should be happy, just asking for some perspective….

“Elliot confirmed interest in schlupp, bamford and danns” - And? So what? We probably spoke about 50 players…no one knows how far that got and honestly if you ask the home fans of all those players, they’d probably say they were all shit.

“waggott openly told us that ffp isn’t an issue he said there is money to spend and venkys will support that.” Incorrect, I’m pretty sure the slimy git actually said “can” fund us….a play on words and they obviously decided not to.

“my big issue is the timing and I’m sorry not for one second am I having it’s hard as a valid excuse.” - Ok, so why is it that 80% + of transfers are done in the last 5 days then?

The plan - From what I can see, the plan is to slowly but surely erode owner expenses and get the club paying for itself. If we go up, great. If not, meh 🤷🏽‍♂️

So, as I’ve said…my focus is on Sir John Eustace (as he will be named should he do the unthinkable and actually get us up) continuing to turn sewer water into 100yr old wine. But I genuinely cannot see any reason why he can’t get us in the top 6 now, because  he got a us there with a lesser squad of players.

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32 minutes ago, superniko said:

All 5 of those signings will be gone in 16 games time too (how many will we actually get out of Dennis?)

I’d caveat that January isn’t the time for long-term building, but it still looks pretty bleak, especially when you consider Hyam, Brittain, Travis, Trondstad (Dolan, Weimann, Batth and Hedges too) are all out of contract in the next 18 months. 

Do or die really then isn't it.

Prem or Bust

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[Fraserkirky]

Not happy with the window as a whole, but I am impressed with some of the players we got in, and they seem to have addressed the biggest areas of need on the pitch. Will wait and see

Think Woodrow will get a few really important goals between now and the end of the season 

[K-Hod]

I think we can all do better than calling each other happy clappers and negative.

Thought we were past all that, tbf.

Given how shite our owners are and how little of the transfer fees they put back into the club, the window was as good as it could have been, really.

Just need Eustace to continue to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear for the rest of the season now….

[wilsdenrover]

30 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

The much maligned club? Go fuck yourself Nicko.

I think even he’d turn himself down 😁

[RevidgeBlue]

37 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Nixons view on Rovers window - Agree or not ?

 

"Much maligned"?

"Supremo?"

He must be back in favour at the Club again in return for which he spins the party line.

The deal wont be "cheap" if he's not fit either.

[Irish_Rover]

7 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I think we can all do better than calling each other happy clappers and negative.

Thought we were past all that, tbf.

Given how shite our owners are and how little of the transfer fees they put back into the club, the window was as good as it could have been, really.

Just need Eustace to continue to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear for the rest of the season now….

100%
Expecting things like 4 or 5m spent on that Egyptian forward was never in the offing. As soon as any offer had to go over 1m or other clubs were interested it was always going to be game over.

To be honest its better than I expected as I fully assumed as the clock ticked down that we wouldn't even make the Dennis loan official.

Make no mistake this is all on the owners, Waggott and Pasha. Blaming Gestede or Broughton before him for how they manage the pennies that are sent from the Pune sofa is just giving our owners what they want. Blame the patsy, they sack the patsy all the while they are shielded from the worst.

[Admiral Nelsen]

19 minutes ago, Fraserkirky said:

Not happy with the window as a whole, but I am impressed with some of the players we got in, and they seem to have addressed the biggest areas of need on the pitch. Will wait and see

Think Woodrow will get a few really important goals between now and the end of the season 

 

Close to my sentiments.

A lot of comments on here about getting the likes of Sanderson, Woodrow and especially Forshaw. I get it, but the only way they end up playing a good amounts of minutes is when other players are unavailable. And recent games show that the alternative at the moment are kids. 

The measure of success for this window is about whether the new forwards can make us more potent going forward. That's the top and tail of it. And all that remains to be seen.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

Maybe time to close this thread and reopen it after we have seen all the new signings and team perform in a few matches time? 

[SuperBrfc]

34 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Nixons view on Rovers window - Agree or not ?

 

The hero who landed Dennis.

Go on, Steve! (Some will seriously be expressing such)

I don't agree with some of the wording, he's laying it on a bit, but he's not wrong with the general point, IMO. We have managed to bring in players with some pedigree and experience at this level with little funds to play with.

On that basis alone it looks like a 'victory' which is why Nixon is writing as he is. Of course, it's not a 'victory' in the sense of the amount of money recouped from player sales and then reinvested, but it's decent for a low budget.

The players have to do the business on the grass obviously, but I have more faith in this set of signings than some in recent years like Ennis or Telalovic where you could sense the desperation.

[JBiz]

28 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I think we can all do better than calling each other happy clappers and negative.

Thought we were past all that, tbf.

Given how shite our owners are and how little of the transfer fees they put back into the club, the window was as good as it could have been, really.

Just need Eustace to continue to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear for the rest of the season now….

Re the specific terminology in bold, I’m not sure that’s how it works. Previously they just allotted shares to the tune of our losses, but now we’re not making a loss so they’re not putting their own cash in.

They have no interest in us, and are shit: however it’s important to use facts, they don’t take money out. They never have.

 

 

[bluebruce]

21 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

"Much maligned"?

"Supremo?"

He must be back in favour at the Club again in return for which he spins the party line.

The deal wont be "cheap" if he's not fit either.

The deal isn't cheap anyway, really. Obviously relative to his contract it is, but 20k per week is the top end of what we pay, in fact it seems nobody else at the club is on that. I think I read 18k for Siggy (I know) and after that it's all 15k or less?

It's also going to cost about 340k - although that's before adding these 'bonuses' that are mentioned. I don't know if that's appearance and goal bonuses, which will be huge in an 80k per week contract, or a bonus for Boro if he plays frequently, like the monthly loan fees based on appearances you can arrange on FM. Either way I'd expect it ends up costing more like 500k total, which is nearly enough to buy a Kargbo on a permanent, for a loan lasting just under 4 months. And he may or may not take a few weeks to get up to speed.

(Before anyone feels the need to pounce, yes it will be a great deal if he fires us to the playoffs, but in real terms the deal isn't cheap)

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[bigbrandjohn]

27 minutes ago, ... said:

Do or die really then isn't it.

Prem or Bust

I agree. If/when we get to the Premier League then we would need replacements for most of the out of contract players anyway. The court case will also have a bearing.

Chances are all three promoted clubs will come back down again this year  

It is  a brutal step up which requires a vigorous  spin of the dice and a hastily arranged squad to hang on for dear life in the first season promoted. 

So perhaps Prem or bust is a strategy of sorts. If we dont make Eustace will probably be off and a new manager will want to rebuild anyway. 

And if rhe court case goes south,  all bets are  off. 

[Admiral Nelsen]

5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

The deal isn't cheap anyway, really. Obviously relative to his contract it is, but 20k per week is the top end of what we pay, in fact it seems nobody else at the club is on that. I think I read 18k for Siggy (I know) and after that it's all 15k or less?

It's also going to cost about 340k - although that's before adding these 'bonuses' that are mentioned. I don't know if that's appearance and goal bonuses, which will be huge in an 80k per week contract, or a bonus for Boro if he plays frequently, like the monthly loan fees based on appearances you can arrange on FM. Either way I'd expect it ends up costing more like 500k total, which is nearly enough to buy a Kargbo on a permanent, for a loan lasting just under 4 months. And he may or may not take a few weeks to get up to speed.

(Before anyone feels the need to pounce, yes it will be a great deal if he fires us to the playoffs, but in real terms the deal isn't cheap)

 

Agree. A good deal all things considered but hardly a steal for a Championship club.

I think it's also a good illustration why lots of deals only get done in the last minute though. Forest will be happy letting him go for a fraction of his salary off the books when the alternative is paying them all. If we made the same offer a week ago I'd imagine they'd have sent us packing. 

[bluebruce]

28 minutes ago, Uddersfelt Blue said:

Maybe time to close this thread and reopen it after we have seen all the new signings and team perform in a few matches time? 

Or just leave it open and let people talk about it whenever they want to talk about it.

[JHRover]

Making out like Eustace has got everything / more than he asked for with SIX new players. Whoop de doo.

Some, myself included, would read that and think that Nixon has an agenda to praise that slimeball Waggott and make anyone unhappy about our business to be unreasonable, Eustace included. It almost suggests that Eustace has been given more than he could ever expect or ask for therefore if we slide away it is nothing to do with the 'supremo'. Sickening stuff. 

Of those six two Eustace publicly admitted we signed because they were cheap squad fillers and replace two outgoings arguably of at least equal if not better quality in McFadzean and Baker (definitely in the case of Baker).

One Eustace admitted in public that it was a club target and suggested that it was nothing to do with him in Kargbo, who certainly doesn't fit the experienced proven quality requirement. Same goes then for the LB.

 

[bluebruce]

Looking a bit more closely at Dennis' career, he seems to be a roughly 1 goal in 4 games striker. Over his whole career he averages less than this (verging on 1 in 5) but on the whole I'd call it 1 in 4 (when you factor in that some of those games he was very young, and that he has spent most of his time in top tier leagues including the Prem and Bundesliga). His spell last season with Watford, he got just under a goal in every 4 in this league, so I think that's a fair expectation to apply.

I'm not sure that's quite enough tbh, but if we extrapolate it, assuming he played every game he would notch 3 or 4 goals in the remaining 15 games (can't play tonight), if he played every match. If that's right, and hopefully he proves this wrong and bags 7 or 8, I hope they come at key times to win us points. He may also add more than that in terms of his general play of course, and we need pace like he supposedly has, to stretch teams for tactical reasons.

Side note, FM 24 has him down as being quicker than Kargbo (85 acceleration and 90 pace, out of 99, compared to 80 acc and 75 pace). That's really rapid tbf, and I know it's only a computer game but they do their research, consulting fans and scouts, and aren't usually too far out. Those are easily his stand-out attributes on there, followed by bravery (80), agility (75), then aggression, flair and penalties (all 70).

[simongarnerisgod]

it appears our transfer model has changed from pursuing youth team development and purchasing players with a view to selling them on to bringing in loans of players we ar`nt going to sign at the end of their stay here,it`s not sustainable and not a very good way to run your club