January Transfer window

[philipl]

Can understand why Dennis was last minute but Kargbo should have been at Ewood 2nd January if not last summer.

[JBiz]

5 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

When we’ve received £41 Million in transfer fees in the last 18 months, our owners are billionaires and we’re 5th in the league, yes, I expect us spend more money on incoming transfers.

How did Middlesbrough manage to find £6 Million for Morgan Whittaker?

Because their owner is day to day investing in the club, ours isn’t and I’d rather they didn’t. If that’s hard to understand then fair enough.

[47er]

30 minutes ago, JBiz said:

This is the January transfer thread, whilst I agree that their mismanagement has caused us untold grief, could we try and focus on recent times? Does every discussion need to relate back to the same problem? 

Come off it! You disappear for months and come back every now and then just to tell others how negative and boring  they are.

The over-riding factor at Ewood remains under-funding by an ownership that doesn't care. Whether we take 2 steps forward at times, we always end up 3 backwards so it comes back to the same old problem.

If you really can't take any more reality, ignore the site for longer. 

What sort of contribution is it anyway that discounts the factor that most affects us?

 

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, 47er said:

Come off it! You disappear for months and come back every now and then just to tell others how negative and boring  they are.

The over-riding factor at Ewood remains under-funding by an ownership that doesn't care. Whether we take 2 steps forward at times, we always end up 3 backwards so it comes back to the same old problem.

If you really can't take any more reality, ignore the site for longer. 

What sort of contribution is it anyway that discounts the factor that most affects us?

 

I don’t understand the last sentence, in terms of ignoring the site there are times when (we both know this) that it’s useful for rumours, especially for those like me who don’t use social media.

In terms of the other point. I’m sorry that I have the opinion there are a group of “legacy” posters who simply won’t stop bringing the same old arguments into every thread. That’s just where I’ve got too!

 

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Because their owner is day to day investing in the club, ours isn’t and I’d rather they didn’t. If that’s hard to understand then fair enough.

Is that because you feel if they stop putting money in they will sell up/leave?

If that is the reasoning I think you are sadly mistaken,  if bills need to be paid and there isn't money In the bank or a player to sell to cover it, they will send the money over 

We will watch ourselves get worse quality players,  the stadium will go into further  disrepair and we will be playing league one football at best 

As if we do go down spending a couple of million won't make us the financial heavyweights of the division like it did last time 

[BigHoz]

Going off the post match interview Eustace looked terrible. 
 

with a mention of “the clubs signings” don’t think he’s had a clue what’s been going on this jan window. 

[JBiz]

11 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Is that because you feel if they stop putting money in they will sell up/leave?

If that is the reasoning I think you are sadly mistaken,  if bills need to be paid and there isn't money In the bank or a player to sell to cover it, they will send the money over 

We will watch ourselves get worse quality players,  the stadium will go into further  disrepair and we will be playing league one football at best 

As if we do go down spending a couple of million won't make us the financial heavyweights of the division like it did last time 

Well that’s subjective I think, easier to sell a business not regularly losing money.

[islander200]

Just now, JBiz said:

Well that’s subjective I think, easier to sell a business not regularly losing money.

I don't believe they will ever have a realistic enough valuation of the club to change hands.Certainly not as a championship club 

If they wanted to sell the club at a reasonable price, they would have takers now, as would every other championship club that make losses (most of them)

[wilsdenrover]

I’m not sure Middlesbrough’s owner does invest regularly in the club.

What they do appear to do is borrow regularly against future transfer fees due (Akpom, Tavernier etc).

 

 

[JBiz]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I’m not sure Middlesbrough’s owner does invest regularly in the club.

What they do appear to do is borrow regularly against future transfer fees due (Akpom, Tavernier etc).

 

 

The sort of active interest though that I’m sure we all agree we’d want, however our story is over a decade of disrespect. I’m not sure it’s Gibson who still owns or runs Boro but I’d rip the arm of a Blackburn businessman prepared to take the club on.

9 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I don't believe they will ever have a realistic enough valuation of the club to change hands.Certainly not as a championship club 

If they wanted to sell the club at a reasonable price, they would have takers now, as would every other championship club that make losses (most of them)

I agree but to a certain extent it’s negligible because I have an overriding feeling that we’re never even thought about by the Rao’s, unless it’s an annual AGM on losses!

[Penwortham Blue]

31 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

Going off the post match interview Eustace looked terrible. 
 

with a mention of “the clubs signings” don’t think he’s had a clue what’s been going on this jan window. 

He looked super pissed off but I think it was just shear disappointment and frustration at the opportunity missed.

[wilsdenrover]

12 minutes ago, JBiz said:

The sort of active interest though that I’m sure we all agree we’d want, however our story is over a decade of disrespect. I’m not sure it’s Gibson who still owns or runs Boro but I’d rip the arm of a Blackburn businessman prepared to take the club on.

 

I’d certainly agree re the interest levels of Boro’s owners vs ours, I was just pointing out the (monetary) investment element.

Of course the fact their owners don’t need to ‘plough’ endless millions into Boro could (and probably should) be argued to show how properly run they are.

The Venkys believe they’ll get their money back if the club is promoted (source Venkys London accounts) - perhaps they need to back up this belief with some action.

I have long given up expecting they will and the day they leave (please say they will) is a day that can’t come soon enough.

 

Edited February 4 by wilsdenrover

[Penwortham Blue]

Just now, Penwortham Blue said:

He looked super pissed off but I think it was just shear disappointment and frustration at the opportunity missed.

It isn’t unusual for him to look very tetchy in an interview, remember the Bristol City away match last year.

[Norbert Rassragr]

We need the new players to be flying every game if we're going to the play offs in

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

Why I'd 

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[islander200]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

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I'd quoted the wrong post

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, islander200 said:

I'd quoted the wrong post

Ok no problem 

[JBiz]

23 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I’d certainly agree re the interest levels of Boro’s owners vs ours, I was just pointing out the (monetary) investment element.

Of course the fact their owners don’t need to ‘plough’ endless millions into Boro could (and probably should) be argued to show how properly run they are.

The Venkys believe they’ll get their money back if the club is promoted (source Venkys London accounts) - perhaps they need to back up this belief with some action.

I have long given up expecting they will and the day they leave (please say they will) is a day that can’t come soon enough.

 

There’s loads in that we all want, I mean the expectation of a new owner - I can fully understand why you’d give up on that but I don’t want too 😂 

 

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/middlesbroughs-psr-situation-explained-amid-29463544.amp

 

Re Boro though - have a read of the quote. To be right on the limit, they’re playing a different game. Exactly what happens with active owners, look at City ffs, spent more in January than the entire league last January! Football is fucked ultimately.

 

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, JBiz said:

There’s loads in that we all want, I mean the expectation of a new owner - I can fully understand why you’d give up on that but I don’t want too 😂 

 

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/middlesbroughs-psr-situation-explained-amid-29463544.amp

 

Re Boro though - have a read of the quote. To be right on the limit, they’re playing a different game. Exactly what happens with active owners, look at City ffs, spent more in January than the entire league last January! Football is fucked ultimately.

 

Boro look for ways to push the limits (re PSR) whilst our club uses the rules as an excuse for why things can’t be done.

Agree wholeheartedly with your final four words.

[47er]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

I don’t understand the last sentence, in terms of ignoring the site there are times when (we both know this) that it’s useful for rumours, especially for those like me who don’t use social media.

In terms of the other point. I’m sorry that I have the opinion there are a group of “legacy” posters who simply won’t stop bringing the same old arguments into every thread. That’s just where I’ve got too!

 

That's right---you have!

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Can understand why Dennis was last minute but Kargbo should have been at Ewood 2nd January if not last summer.

Agreed. Dennis is the type of deal that you may only get on deadline day and it is an argument for why you need something left in reserve.

But most of our dealings could and should have been handled in the first week and that may have resulted in 2-5 more points from our January fixtures. That could prove crucial. 

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Agreed. Dennis is the type of deal that you may only get on deadline day and it is an argument for why you need something left in reserve.

But most of our dealings could and should have been handled in the first week and that may have resulted in 2-5 more points from our January fixtures. That could prove crucial. 

There's absolutely no excuse for not sorting out decent players coming in the first two weeks of the month.

We've brought in millions

We're well within FFP limits

"There are no impediments to the owners funding the club"

"The owners are fully committed to the club"

To dress this transfer window up as anything other than complete dog shit is laughable.

We've been outspent by Plymouth Argyle.

Edited February 5 by Upside Down

[bluebruce]

5 hours ago, JBiz said:

Well that’s subjective I think, easier to sell a business not regularly losing money.

I don't know why you're even making this argument. They have repeatedly shown they have no interest in selling the club. They won't even entertain discussions with prospective bidders who have all been met with outright refusals at best, and crickets at worst.

[CottonTownBoy]

We have brought in two forward players in the Summer, in Gueye and Ohashi. We've now brought in three additional forward players in the last few days and yet we can't stop the ball going into our own goal through a sub standard goalkeeper.

I will keep happening all the way to the end of the season costing us dearly. I don't know what length of contract Pears has but he needs moving on at the end of the season. 

[chaddyrovers]

14 hours ago, philipl said:

Can understand why Dennis was last minute but Kargbo should have been at Ewood 2nd January if not last summer.

We were chasing Wallace and Schlupp at the start of the window according to Nixon

As the window went on and it appears those targets weren't going to happen for different reasons