January Transfer window

[Ossydave]

Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

That looks like just shifting a team around to accommodate your favourites - and signing a player we don't possibly need.

We do need defensive cover, a centre half that can cover full back would be ideal. However, teams aren't going to loan us players to sit on our bench so it's easier said than done. I must say, I had concerns over Batth getting injured a lot given his age, he's looked in great shape though 👍

[Ossydave]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

 

Just sign a pacey winger - it's really not that hard.

It is for us.......

The problem with a lot of these pacy wingers is zero end product too.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

That looks like just shifting a team around to accommodate your favourites - and signing a player we don't possibly need.

IF he did come in, harsh as it sounds I'd put him next to Batth as I think Hill is better than Hyam. Play him at FB and Hyam at CB in the event of injury.

That would only be a fairly marginal upgrade though the way we've been defending.

 We've much more urgent need of reinforcements up front. If there's enough money for everything, great.

[Exiled_Rover]

I'm going to assume there are no credible transfer links?

The window is officially open, our squad is decimated and we're a few goals outside of the playoffs.

We should literally have players queued up at Brockhall right now for medicals.

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

IF he did come in, harsh as it sounds I'd put him next to Batth as I think Hill is better than Hyam. Play him at FB and Hyam at CB in the event of injury.

That would only be a fairly marginal upgrade though the way we've been defending.

 We've much more urgent need of reinforcements up front. If there's enough money for everything, great.

It wouldnt be harsh to drop Hyam. It would be crazy, he has been outstanding.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

It is for us.......

The problem with a lot of these pacy wingers is zero end product too.

James today for one.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It wouldnt be harsh to drop Hyam. It would be crazy, he has been outstanding.

That's why I queried the need to sign Hill as I think we have far more pressing priorities elsewhere.

If there was money to bring in a decent striker, winger, and bring Hill in on loan and he was willing to come (lot of if's) I'd do it.

I doubt he'd be our "Rodney Marsh".

[bluebruce]

Isn't Carter due back in February? Unless we get another CB injury before then, I don't think it's a priority.

[Andy]

29 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I'm going to assume there are no credible transfer links?

The window is officially open, our squad is decimated and we're a few goals outside of the playoffs.

We should literally have players queued up at Brockhall right now for medicals.

Agreed.

The work should have been done as soon as the Aug/Sep window closed and we should have several 'pots' of players, by position, by budget.

The window opening should be a case of finalising / announcing, as we've already seen from some clubs.

Why do I get the feeling that we only start the process on the 1st of January...

[47er]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Isn't Carter due back in February? Unless we get another CB injury before then, I don't think it's a priority.

That's a key position and we are only well catered for if they're all fit to play---which they never are!

[Ricky]

I’m assuming Batth and Hyam will both get a rest for the FA Cup game. They deserve it. I can’t see Hill coming in as cover and I’d be against changing a settled back four. They are playing well together so don’t try to fix it if it’s not broken. We are however a CB injury away from being in a bit of bother before Carter returns next month. A loan as cover would be ideal.

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, 47er said:

That's a key position and we are only well catered for if they're all fit to play---which they never are!

Currently fit are Batth, Hyam, McFadz. With Litherland in reserve. That is too light, yes. Once you add in Carter though, it's 4 senior centre backs for 2 positions and it's fine. Only Carter has had any injury of note this season. There have been 3 of the 4 available at all times this season I think? Or close to it. Throw in someone like James Hill and you're putting 2 from Batth, Carter and Hyam onto the bench from February, which is a silly waste of resources for a club with fuck all resources and a dire need to add goals.

[rigger]

16 minutes ago, Andy said:

Agreed.

The work should have been done as soon as the Aug/Sep window closed and we should have several 'pots' of players, by position, by budget.

The window opening should be a case of finalising / announcing, as we've already seen from some clubs.

Why do I get the feeling that we only start the process on the 1st of January...

If only we started a process.

[roversfan99]

36 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That's why I queried the need to sign Hill as I think we have far more pressing priorities elsewhere.

If there was money to bring in a decent striker, winger, and bring Hill in on loan and he was willing to come (lot of if's) I'd do it.

I doubt he'd be our "Rodney Marsh".

We do need cover but whoever comes in would have to wait. No way should Hyam be dropped.

Hill isnt happening anyway but even if it did, he should start on the bench.

19 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Isn't Carter due back in February? Unless we get another CB injury before then, I don't think it's a priority.

We do need a CB, I think 4 is a normal amount so even allowing for Carter coming back. McFadzean is too old and cant play in a back 4 so doesnt count as genuine cover.

With Pickering out long term, we need at least one defender that can play both positions.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

7 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Currently fit are Batth, Hyam, McFadz. With Litherland in reserve. That is too light, yes. Once you add in Carter though, it's 4 senior centre backs for 2 positions and it's fine. Only Carter has had any injury of note this season. There have been 3 of the 4 available at all times this season I think? Or close to it. Throw in someone like James Hill and you're putting 2 from Batth, Carter and Hyam onto the bench from February, which is a silly waste of resources for a club with fuck all resources and a dire need to add goals.

Cb is not top priority - but it needs addressed regardless and preferably left sided that can also cover Pickering 

and if there’s competition for places come feb onwards so be it 

Striker / winger / left sided cb

[AAK]

anybody who sticks up for them muppet owners watch this liars.

 

[BRFC4EVA]

What frustrates me so much, is the wasted opportunities to get good players on board at a point in time that we are an attractive proposition.

Now according to the Venkys we are supposed to be a Brighton/Brentford hybrid type model. So bringing players in to polish for a profit but also having a strong youth system.

Now although we have a glorious past, the are plenty of other more attractive sides than us in the division. Bigger grounds, larger crowds, less restrictive wage budget etc. However what we have been able to offer for 3 out of the last 4 Jan's has been a realistic proposition to fight for an epl place either by auto or play-offs.

Can we seize on to that? We need to be spending north of 10m on investment players both for now and to sell in the future. But they won't. It is incredibly frustrating. You can't keep selling dimishing number of capital assets.

[AAK]

5 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

What frustrates me so much, is the wasted opportunities to get good players on board at a point in time that we are an attractive proposition.

Now according to the Venkys we are supposed to be a Brighton/Brentford hybrid type model. So bringing players in to polish for a profit but also having a strong youth system.

Now although we have a glorious past, the are plenty of other more attractive sides than us in the division. Bigger grounds, larger crowds, less restrictive wage budget etc. However what we have been able to offer for 3 out of the last 4 Jan's has been a realistic proposition to fight for an epl place either by auto or play-offs.

Can we seize on to that? We need to be spending north of 10m on investment players both for now and to sell in the future. But they won't. It is incredibly frustrating. You can't keep selling dimishing number of capital assets.

We will end up with a loanee "who is promising" (just what you need when pushing for promotion) a lower league player who won't make an impact, one very low fee and someone who we may spend nearly 1 mil on who's made out to be a great signing.

[yellowsubmarine]

A Louie Barry loan will be a game changer.

[Upside Down]

8 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

As I posted earlier, we have around £20 million pound losses ‘available’ for 24/25.

This includes the Wharton sale.

It doesn’t include the Sammie sale nor the additional Raya money.

The £1.8 million profit in 23/24 followed a £22.9 million profit on player sales - this equates to a pre player sale loss of £21.1 million.

This suggests to me the ‘wriggle room’ equates to roughly the fee we received for Sammie + the Raya money (oh and the fee for Gallagher)

Or as you said far more succinctly (😁) we’re nowhere near the FFP limits.

 

We will be, just you wait.

Edited Thursday at 06:04 by Upside Down

[Ossydave]

1 hour ago, yellowsubmarine said:

A Louie Barry loan will be a game changer.

A bit like how O'brien would have been the other season, still pisses me off thinking about that.

Only problem is there'll be a queue for him and not sure what puts us near the front, unless Eustace has contacts at Villa being from the area, suppose Rudy may still know a few from his time there too 🤔

Edited Thursday at 05:30 by Ossydave

[imy9]

I don’t think Hill is happening- he started and made an assist in the last game vs Fulham!

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

A good window is needed - no excuses.  Two loan slots available and at least 1 permanent signing required.  

Defence:  Needs cover

1x left back who can also cover centrally.

Midfield: Midfield looks very thin when Travis or Tronstadt not available. JRC may be the only other option in there. 

Need rid of Buckley and I'm not overly enamoured with Baker - not sure what he actually brings. He's not out and out bad - reminds me a bit of Elliott Bennet.  He's a player soon out of contract.  If Eustace really wants him, surely a minimal fee  could be negotiated to free up another loan place? 

Top end: Where do we start? 

Ohashi & Gueye both offer something - but neither really has enough all round to be starting games.  In an ideal world those 2 are our bench options.       

Leonard probably needs a loan. What's happening with Tyjon's development? 

A better quality striker is a must. 

We still haven't sorted the wide positions either.  

ACD has shown flashes.  He seems to be a yard short of that top level pace.  Close control and turning ability exceptional - but gets caught on the ball a lot.  Only young so may well  improve...or may well turn out to be another Markanday/Dolan type.    

Hedges/Dolan/JRC don't really offer much out wide in an attacking sense. 

We still lack pace to play effectively on the break. 

A wide player is definitely needed. 

 

Ideal window for me then: 

Centre forward 

winger

left back/cb cover

Possibly a midfielder - personally I'd let Baker go. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

5 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

A good window is needed - no excuses.  Two loan slots available and at least 1 permanent signing required.  

Defence:  Needs cover

1x left back who can also cover centrally.

Midfield: Midfield looks very thin when Travis or Tronstadt not available. JRC may be the only other option in there. 

Need rid of Buckley and I'm not overly enamoured with Baker - not sure what he actually brings. He's not out and out bad - reminds me a bit of Elliott Bennet.  He's a player soon out of contract.  If Eustace really wants him, surely a minimal fee  could be negotiated to free up another loan place? 

Top end: Where do we start? 

Ohashi & Gueye both offer something - but neither really has enough all round to be starting games.  In an ideal world those 2 are our bench options.       

Leonard probably needs a loan. What's happening with Tyjon's development? 

A better quality striker is a must. 

We still haven't sorted the wide positions either.  

ACD has shown flashes.  He seems to be a yard short of that top level pace.  Close control and turning ability exceptional - but gets caught on the ball a lot.  Only young so may well  improve...or may well turn out to be another Markanday/Dolan type.    

Hedges/Dolan/JRC don't really offer much out wide in an attacking sense. 

We still lack pace to play effectively on the break. 

A wide player is definitely needed. 

 

Ideal window for me then: 

Centre forward 

winger

left back/cb cover

Possibly a midfielder - personally I'd let Baker go. 

have to say that’s harsh on baker very harsh he was excellent yesterday. Has had to play second fiddle to Travis and tronstad now with a run of games ahead of him it would be absolute madness to get rid of him AND Buckley. JE says he wants experience what experienced centre mid is available (in our budget) fits that bill? Would leave us extremely short 

[K-Hod]

There’s no point suggesting James Hill or Evan Ferguson, might as well throw in a suggestion for Salah while you’re at it 😅.