January Transfer window

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, J*B said:

Why? 

Because they sold the best player the club has ever produced, against his will, because they were under investigation for tax fraud and couldn’t fund the business they decided to buy and none of us asked for.

So now they can fund us (allegedly), they should be giving us that money back to fund a promotion push which is ultimately the only way they will ever be able to recoup any of their losses - which, for the record, where entirely due to their own stupidity. 

We always needed to find 20m in the FFP 3 years cycle. We done this. So we clear for 18 months so let's invest that money now to get promotion under Eustace. 

 

[J*B]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

We always needed to find 20m in the FFP 3 years cycle. We done this. So we clear for 18 months so let's invest that money now to get promotion under Eustace. 

 

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about at this point. 

[Forever Blue]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

What tricks? Josh, you intimating somehow that Rovers should / could spend millions based on revenue from sales is the most deluded narrative on here.

Utter drivel. It’s hard to know how any rational Rovers fan could even think that.

Edited Sunday at 10:23 by Forever Blue

[K-Hod]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why not split how we used that money.

For example purposes only,

So using 25m figure, why not investing in the Academy structure further, then use some for signings this window like Surridge, Poku, then add Schlupp for example then centre back on loan. That's would example 7-8m cost 

Then use another 7m in the summer then 3m in the January 2026

Would that be acceptable? 

Just spending some of the fucking money that the club has raised from selling our best players would be nice.

Showing a bit of intent, at least trying to get promoted and backing a manager that is running out of steam, because he’s a paper thin squad. Lad has been making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear for months.

[wilsdenrover]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We always needed to find 20m in the FFP 3 years cycle. We done this. So we clear for 18 months so let's invest that money now to get promotion under Eustace. 

 

It isn’t always that high, since 2018/19 it’s been anywhere from £12 million to £20 million.

 

Edited Sunday at 10:32 by wilsdenrover

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Just spending some of the fucking money that the club has raised from selling our best players would be nice.

Showing a bit of intent, at least trying to get promoted and backing a manager that is running out of steam, because he’s a paper thin squad. Lad has been making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear for months.

I agree. It's would great to spend some of the money on striker who would get us £10m. 

We've been hit with injuries to key players like Ohashi, Travis, Carter, Pickering 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

It isn’t always £20 million,  since  2018/19 it’s been anywhere from £12 million to £20 million.

 

Fair point. I was just telling to keep simple tbh

[London blue]

This £20million a year is Waggot's masterstroke. 

Multiple rounds of cost cutting? £20m/year.

Selling star assets and reducing wage costs? £20m/year.

Little to zero spent on maintenance/match day? £20m/year.

They think we're morons. They're not 100% incorrect, clearly.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Fair point. I was just telling to keep simple tbh

Thanks for dumbing it down so us plebs can understand😉

[Boz]

To save me the bother of checking, can anyone quickly comment on how much capital has been introduced since 30/6/23? 

[JHRover]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

What tricks? Josh, you intimating somehow that Rovers should / could spend millions based on revenue from sales is the most deluded narrative on here.

The club COULD spend millions if the owners wanted. There is no impediment to that, FFP or otherwise. Whether it SHOULD do during January or not is another question.

It doesn't want to. That much is clear. Their choice, they see it as their money and their name above the door. Nothing we can do about that but lets not make excuses for them by pretending the club is constrained by other non-Venky factors.

 

[wilsdenrover]

1 minute ago, Boz said:

To save me the bother of checking, can anyone quickly comment on how much capital has been introduced since 30/6/23? 

£11 million was remitted in October 2023.

Whether coincidence or not, this is the exact same figure as the new shares issued in Venky London Limited in March 2024.

The previous remittance (£3.54 million in June ‘23) is very close to the value of the last share issue in Venkateshwara London Limited ( £3.68 million October ‘24)

Is that fishy??

 

 

[Ricky]

Spot on Josh. They can spend but if they choose to spend is another matter.

It’s typically a bad time to try to strengthen in one of the most important areas of the pitch (striker). You haven’t got the out of contract players to target and teams won’t want to sell players who are scoring for them bang in the middle of the season. 

I think we’ll struggle to get the quality we need for a promotion push. We’ll be ok and end up in mid table as we’ll add a couple of new signings but I can’t see us being able to bring in the quality we need. 

[Boz]

Just looked £nil, last capitalisation was 28th June 2023. 
If their business model (yes I know crazy to contemplate whether owners/board of directors have one) is to nurture and sell talent for a profit as per Brentford/Brighton/Bournemouth and that £12m to say £20m is required every season to fund operations, then why has this not happened? 
All the transfer profits have been used to mop up operations, with £nil gone on incoming transfers, except of course the academy costs, though these are also within the operational costs. Along with funding £350k pa on a MD who does square root of bugger all.

 

[Old Codger]

1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said:

£11 million was remitted in October 2023.

Whether coincidence or not, this is the exact same figure as the new shares issued in Venky London Limited in March 2024.

The previous remittance (£3.54 million in June ‘23) is very close to the value of the last share issue in Venkateshwara London Limited ( £3.68 million October ‘24)

Is that fishy??

 

 

It is the same amount, adjusted for headline inflation at the time.

It is fairly clear that any speculation about funds is pointless, as nobody outside of the inner clique has a cuckoo's clue what is available (or not). This thread would be better served if folk stuck to information about players who are a) available and b) a reasonable shout for an outfit with our characteristics (I know, that is likely to be a shallow pool! 😞 )

Is there ANY rumour worth discussing, about potential incomings or outgoings?

COYB!

[JHRover]

2 hours ago, Upside Down said:

One good thing that's come from the defeat to the low IQ lot down the road is that attention has now started to shift back to venkys and their destruction of this once great club.

The general consensus seems to be shifting back to people wanting rid of them.

Hopefully a few more will wake up after yet another January transfer window without any quality.

One or two have managed to convince themselves that the failings of January 2023, Summer 2023 and January 2024 and subsequent relegation battle last season were all the fault or one or a combination of Tomasson, Broughton, Silvester. 

Basically they've fallen for the lie. I understand their eagerness to do so. So much easier and more comfortable to believe that it is all the fault of now departed staff members than face up to the reality that it lies with the unmovable owners and remaining goons in the shadows (even if it was all the fault of Tomasson, Broughton and Silvester, ultimately the buck stops with the upper management for employing them).

So when we get similar calamitous inertia this January the hope is that reality dawns on these people that the real problem remains and the above were either victims or symptoms of the Venky disease and not the cause of our ills.

Unfortunately it seems some others are already convincing themselves that the club remains totally hamstrung by a combination of FFP cycles, receipts in instalments etc. which the last 2 years has proven not to be an issue.

[Gamst]

Schlupp would be a cracking signing. Him and a striker would give us an outside chance if they stay fit. I’ll believe it when I see it. 

[wilsdenrover]

16 minutes ago, London blue said:

This £20million a year is Waggot's masterstroke. 

Multiple rounds of cost cutting? £20m/year.

Selling star assets and reducing wage costs? £20m/year.

Little to zero spent on maintenance/match day? £20m/year.

They think we're morons. They're not 100% incorrect, clearly.

The £20 million a year is clearly nonsense but Waggott et al are cutting standards whilst (according to the accounts) increasing costs.

I’ve no idea why this hasn’t led to their removal (well I do and it starts with a V)

[J*B]

1 minute ago, Gamst said:

Schlupp would be a cracking signing. Him and a striker would give us an outside chance if they stay fit. I’ll believe it when I see it. 

Palace falls all saying they’re happy to see him go. Loyal servant but no longer has the legs. 

[wilsdenrover]

11 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

It is the same amount, adjusted for headline inflation at the time.

It is fairly clear that any speculation about funds is pointless, as nobody outside of the inner clique has a cuckoo's clue what is available (or not). This thread would be better served if folk stuck to information about players who are a) available and b) a reasonable shout for an outfit with our characteristics (I know, that is likely to be a shallow pool! 😞 )

Is there ANY rumour worth discussing, about potential incomings or outgoings?

COYB!

Thanks

I was more questioning why the shares have been issued for those companies rather than for Rovers.

 But as you say, wrong thread!!

Edited Sunday at 11:01 by wilsdenrover

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, J*B said:

Palace falls all saying they’re happy to see him go. Loyal servant but no longer has the legs. 

I can’t say I’m surprised. Are there any other clubs interested in him ? If there isn’t he’ll come here.

[den]

45 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That’s obvious. The recent transfer windfall has just allowed them to ruin the club for another year without having to put any of their money in.

Was that intentional TS?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, den said:

Was that intentional TS?

What other excuse have they got ? Their name is over the door unfortunately.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Wharton's money has gone in my opinion. 

 

 

You keep repeating this and I don't understand what you are saying.

We keep getting told by the club that we can't use that money because it isn't all paid to us in one lump sum, rather it is spread out across several years. So how can it be gone? 

If it was all paid in one lump sum, and the club have lied (again) then where has it gone in less than 12 months? Are you suggesting that it has all been used to cover losses? If so why? That would mean that losses in the last 11 months exceeded £20 million, which is surely impossible, but even if correct we've still had the Raya and Szmodics money since then - so where is that?

I think you are saying it is 'gone' because that is what Nixon is saying. 

What we actually are getting to here is not that it has 'gone' but rather that the owners are not allowing any of it back into reinvestment or improvement to the club. Instead they are using it to pay their bills moving forwards. Nothing untoward there, that's their choice.

Nothing to do with FFP, cycles, weather, Covid, just a simple choice on their part that they want to save money by forcing the club to live off the sale of a once-in-a-generation talent rather than allow a portion to come back to support JDT or Eustace.

Agreed?

[47er]

45 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why not split how we used that money.

For example purposes only,

So using 25m figure, why not investing in the Academy structure further, then use some for signings this window like Surridge, Poku, then add Schlupp for example then centre back on loan. That's would example 7-8m cost 

Then use another 7m in the summer then 3m in the January 2026

Would that be acceptable? 

Evolution---Mowbray style. Jam tomorrow. The squad needs major attention now.

3 or 4 good signings and we're on our way.