v Sheffield Utd (h) - 2/11/2024

[simongarnerisgod]

12 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Think back to the 125th anniversary commemorations, the one off kit, books etc, you just know it will be a pathetic 150th one put on by the present bunch of nomarks running the club.

i very much doubt if they`ll even acknowledge it,it will be left up to the fans to arrange

[Mattyblue]

Yep, WATR have already hinted at that.

[Waggy76]

55 minutes ago, G Somerset Rover said:

I think you and a number of others may be in for a surprise as I have a feeling we’ll be in and around the relegation spots before long this season. 

There simply is no Szmodics, Diaz, Arma or Rhodes to bail us out this time. We have zero goals in us.

From what I have witnessed this last month  I agree...January will be the usual farce and the squad will be weakened, don't be to surprised if Cantwell leaves, for a profit of course... 

[simongarnerisgod]

7 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

From what I have witnessed this last month  I agree...January will be the usual farce and the squad will be weakened, don't be to surprised if Cantwell leaves, for a profit of course... 

im`e expecting leeds,sunderland or west brom to buy him in january,3 off the bigger clubs in the division who are likely to be in contention ,he`ll be a bargain at 3 million,class player who stands out a mile in a rovers team of averageness

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Think back to the 125th anniversary commemorations, the one off kit, books etc, you just know it will be a pathetic 150th one put on by the present bunch of nomarks running the club.

It will be something that costs nothing and requires minimal effort, coupled with the fact that there's nobody employed down there with any real knowledge or pride in the clubs history.

One look at what Sheffield Wednesday did for their 150th the other year shows what we should be doing.

I bet we will get some tatty t shirts in the shop, a few pieces with 'legends' in the phone book to put on twitter and that will be about that.

That we are only a year away from it and still no mention of anything is already alarming. Nobody can be arsed.

[roversfan99]

12 hours ago, scotchrover said:

The £9 million they got from Szmodics fee has been spent on wages. How do you think Cantwell’s (and the rest) wages have been covered? 

We’ve done what Allardyce did at Bolton, in this window. 
 

 

I presume that is sarcasm.

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

the first 10 minutes we started on the front foot and took the game to them then some poor defending from us so they scored. We over played in the final third or played that extra pass or misplace a pass. 

No I not disappointed cos it was always going to be tough and difficult game against a very good squad at this level and good manager in Wilder at this level

No. I don't change my opinion from last week and we created good chances at Watford and didn't take them. Yesterday we misplaced a pass or didn't shoot and look for an extra pass. 

 

That's your opinion RF99. I don't shared it one bit. 

don't agree Abbey. The work rate was there, no way were we a bunch of cowards in yesterday game. Sheffield united have better quality players on the pitch and its shows. They have top 2 promotion squad and we have a mid table squad. That's the facts of it

You predicted a win, we lost without having a shot on target (we have had 4 in 3 games I read) or putting up a fight, but you arent disappointed?

Youve always been keen to stress that if a big goalscorer goes, others will all chip in to help out. Do you genuinely see crap like Dolan/Hedges helping to make up the Szmodics loss? And how many goals do you see Gueye getting, a man who doesnt look like he has ever seen a football before?

We agree that football is all about results. Eustace football is boring but if it is effective, it doesnt matter. At the moment we have taken 4 points from 6 games scoring 2 goals so it isnt even effective. Have you enjoyed watching us lately?

I personally think that the main reason why we are so dull and offer zero threat, as much as Eustace's tactics do play a part, is down to the quality of players. Hedges, crap, Dolan, crap, Weimann, past it, Gueye, laughable, Ohashi has at least chipped in with 4 goals but in general he looks off the pace. We have very few goals in our side and very little excitement (only Cantwell) or pace. But you think they are good and want to start dishing out new deals.

[Herbie6590]

The BRFCS POTM for yesterday’s game is…

[lraC]

4 hours ago, Hasta said:

On the ground I didn’t really notice anyone jumping out of tackles. I saw a lot of shit control, badly executed passes and wrong decision (and a lot of pissing around at the back which could be solved quickly).

Dolan definitely pulled out of one. 

[rigger]

4 hours ago, Hasta said:

On the ground I didn’t really notice anyone jumping out of tackles. I saw a lot of shit control, badly executed passes and wrong decision (and a lot of pissing around at the back which could be solved quickly).

The pissing around at the back might be a reasonable tactic if you are winning, but I can't see what is gained when the team is losing, or even drawing. I presume the idea is to draw the opposition forward and create space behind. Our problem comes from the fact we have no-one capable of exploiting these spaces. 

[LDRover]

I'd love to know what, for instance, Cantwell honestly thinks of Gueye as a player. I bet it would be a scathing response.

[tomphil]

5 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Eustace-ball is very reliant on players in attacking positions having the pace and skill to make things happen on their own.  Unfortunately we don’t have those players at our disposal.
 

There’s also a huge difference in the movement up top compared l to when JDT was here. The attacking coaching leaves a lot to be desired under Eustace. 
 

Eustace is good at the defensive side of the game (there’s no legislating for dollopers like JRC and Brittain) and I thought we were really aggressive and pressed really well until JRC had his brain fart and gave the first goal away. Sheff Utd struggled to contain us that first 15 mins, but it all fell apart as soon as Dolan or Hedges got on the ball. After the first goal we weren’t as effective but we still matched them for the rest of the half.
 

2nd half we were shite. 

January will be pivotal, we need quality up front. 

 

 

That's why i likened it to Bowyers style because he absolutely relied on Rhodes nicking a goal of Marshall producing something but the football often went nowhere.

At least though he had the gumption to get a crosser in the side and hit balls towards Rudy.

Dolan is a poor imitation of Conway in productive and consistency terms whilst Marshall was better than Hedges will ever be.  We do though now have Cantwell who has the ability to be a Tom Cairney type.

 

 

Edited November 3 by tomphil

[tomphil]

4 hours ago, G Somerset Rover said:

I think you and a number of others may be in for a surprise as I have a feeling we’ll be in and around the relegation spots before long this season. 

There simply is no Szmodics, Diaz, Arma or Rhodes to bail us out this time. We have zero goals in us.

I said we were overachieving early season but i still maintain that Coventry game took something out of us and caused a bit of panic for the coaches.

I don't care who you have in the team though being at home and having a good lump of possession then no shots on target is diabolical.

Good opposition yes but it's Sheff U not Liverpool.

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, Hasta said:

I meant  relegated in 1999 when Jack was still in charge and, despite all the enthusiasm, vision and control he had, still couldnt stop relegation.

Go back and follow the conversation.

London Blue was saying that criticism yesterdays performace should be tempered because Sheff United were a level above us because their owners have spent money and we haven't. Basically Venkys have sold anyone decent and just replaced with bargain basement buys (incuding in the board room). Therefore, although you can level some blame at Eustace and the players, it's always going to be difficult to compete against teams on seriously larger budgets.

Abbey said that not being able to compete with them was 'nonsense' and "good job uncle Jack had a better vision than you." My point is Uncle Jacks vision was to spend money.

But to your last point, yeah Venkys were fully responsible for relegation last time and are fully responsible for our inability to even look like we can mount a sustained challenge to return at any point. Therefore a lot of the blame for yesterday's performance rests with Venkys and not fully down to JE and the players.

In 99 we spent more than anyone else in the division.

Unfortunately there was a lot of ego problems that Hodgson couldn't, and has always struggled to deal with. We also spent huge amounts on players that were absolutely gash.

Those two seasons are well worth forgetting. Simply awful.

[Penwortham Blue]

9 hours ago, arbitro said:

It was organised by the Community Trust and there were many questions to Eustace about his career, aspirations and that sort of thing. There was a question which referenced the owners and Eustace said he had never spoken to them (I seem to remember Tomasson saying something similar) and that his dealings are with Waggott and Suhail.

How do they expect anyone to believe that they have any interest whatsoever in our club, when they don’t speak to the manager looking after their ‘baby’ at any time over the last 3 seasons.

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, Mercer said:

Said he's an avid reader of BRFCS and had been impressed with a Chaddyrovers whose thoughts very much mirrored his own.  Expect a job offer soon!

Offer rejected. 

[StubbsUK]

8 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

sheff utd hav`nt spend anywhere near that,they`de had to slash their wage bill massively,hence they`ve got journeymen like moore ,good loan players like rak sakyi and soutar and some good younger players,mixed with good value signings like o hare and hamer,they`ve also got a good manager as well who knows how to play to the teams strengths.looking at them as a club,they are everything we ar`nt

I live in Sheffield and I can assure you that the veneer of competance at United (Wednesday are as big a basket case as us) is very thin and being masked by their parachute money and the spending power that gives clubs. It's not that long ago that the different owners were sueing each other!

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You predicted a win, we lost without having a shot on target (we have had 4 in 3 games I read) or putting up a fight, but you arent disappointed?

of course I predicted a win cos I ain't going to not back my team pre game. 

Yes I am fully aware we didn't have a shot on target yesterday

I have explained my reasons for not being disappointed yesterday cos its was going to tough game against them. I expected us to be better in the final third but we overplayed or didn't play the right final pass

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Youve always been keen to stress that if a big goalscorer goes, others will all chip in to help out. Do you genuinely see crap like Dolan/Hedges helping to make up the Szmodics loss?

I don't ever called any Rovers player crap and sadly its pathetic seeing you do it. 

I don't with your assessment that Dolan or Hedges are crap and the entire squad has to make up for the Szmodics loss

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

And how many goals do you see Gueye getting, a man who doesnt look like he has ever seen a football before?

Don't know. All depends how many chances we create and how much he plays. we see at the end of the season. He needs a goal quickly cos his confidence is dropping each week

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

We agree that football is all about results. Eustace football is boring but if it is effective, it doesnt matter. At the moment we have taken 4 points from 6 games scoring 2 goals so it isnt even effective. Have you enjoyed watching us lately?

and at the minute we are 7th and we had sticky patch but yes I enjoyed the WBA game performance and I thought we played well at Watford who created nothing and got a lucky pen to win it. 

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I personally think that the main reason why we are so dull and offer zero threat, as much as Eustace's tactics do play a part, is down to the quality of players. Hedges, crap, Dolan, crap, Weimann, past it, Gueye, laughable, Ohashi has at least chipped in with 4 goals but in general he looks off the pace. We have very few goals in our side and very little excitement (only Cantwell) or pace. But you think they are good and want to start dishing out new deals.

With your comments above you think we were bottom of the league and going down. 

Ohashi did well yesterday in holding the ball up and his link up play. In the second half he should have shot instead of looking to pass to Cantwell. Very decent performance from him

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

of course I predicted a win cos I ain't going to not back my team pre game. 

Yes I am fully aware we didn't have a shot on target yesterday

I have explained my reasons for not being disappointed yesterday cos its was going to tough game against them. I expected us to be better in the final third but we overplayed or didn't play the right final pass

I don't ever called any Rovers player crap and sadly its pathetic seeing you do it. 

I don't with your assessment that Dolan or Hedges are crap and the entire squad has to make up for the Szmodics loss

Don't know. All depends how many chances we create and how much he plays. we see at the end of the season. He needs a goal quickly cos his confidence is dropping each week

and at the minute we are 7th and we had sticky patch but yes I enjoyed the WBA game performance and I thought we played well at Watford who created nothing and got a lucky pen to win it. 

With your comments above you think we were bottom of the league and going down. 

Ohashi did well yesterday in holding the ball up and his link up play. In the second half he should have shot instead of looking to pass to Cantwell. Very decent performance from him

Was Chris Brown crap? Leon Best? Jason Lowe? Dom Samuel? Hope Akpan?

Obviously not comparing Hedges and Dolan to them, maybe crap is harsh but I am sick of seeing them, they repeatedly show an incapability to positively contribute at this level.

We are well organised in the main but just have very little goal threat, pace, excitement or entertainment going forward. A hard watch.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Was Chris Brown crap? Leon Best? Jason Lowe? Dom Samuel? Hope Akpan?

If they were crap would they been playing professional football? 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Obviously not comparing Hedges and Dolan to them, maybe crap is harsh but I am sick of seeing them, they repeatedly show an incapability to positively contribute at this level.

Ok. I think we know what your opinion is on both of them 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We are well organised in the main but just have very little goal threat, pace, excitement or entertainment going forward. A hard watch.

ACD is out and likely to be for a few weeks. Sod law. 

I'm not bothered about being exciting and entertaining at the minute. I would take a 1 nil win on Wednesday in a dull game. We are in sticky patch at the minute but one win and it could be very different 

[USABlue]

We are not very good.  We have too many players who are either, dumb, techically limited and both.  A keeper who is.....well I am lost for words.  TBF to him thiugh he did keep the score line decent but what was he thinking, again, with the 2nd goal.  What the hell has happened to JRC it's one cock uo after another with him.  I was excited about Big. Mac when he landed but now he looks like he might struggle in League 2.  This to me looks like the beginning of a JDT esque slide we just look that bad.  We look really bad.  Boring and bad. Might take me another day or two to calm down   Not knocking the kad but Dolan had a moment when he reminded me of Meccy he did two 360's in open space for no apparent reason.  We lose the ball a lot and easily Cantwell has to be wondering what the hell he has done cos he is a cut above.  Funnily enough it is since his break thru that our results and more worryingly performances have dropped off.

Edited November 4 by USABlue

[USABlue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

If they were crap would they been playing professional football? 

Ok. I think we know what your opinion is on both of them 

ACD is out and likely to be for a few weeks. Sod law. 

I'm not bothered about being exciting and entertaining at the minute. I would take a 1 nil win on Wednesday in a dull game. We are in sticky patch at the minute but one win and it could be very different 

I think the dull game part is assured.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

If they were crap would they been playing professional football? 

Ok. I think we know what your opinion is on both of them 

ACD is out and likely to be for a few weeks. Sod law. 

I'm not bothered about being exciting and entertaining at the minute. I would take a 1 nil win on Wednesday in a dull game. We are in sticky patch at the minute but one win and it could be very different 

Problem is, I agree that its about results. At the moment though, we are both boring and getting shit results. Not the best combination.

Im guessing that you would still reward years of nothingness from both Hedges and Dolan with new long deals with nice pay rises.

50 minutes ago, USABlue said:

We are not very good.  We have too many players who are either, dumb, techically limited and both.  A keeper who is.....well I am lost for words.  TBF to him thiugh he did keep the score line decent but what was he thinking, again, with the 2nd goal.  What the hell has happened to JRC it's one cock uo after another with him.  I was excited about Big. Mac when he landed but now he looks like he might struggle in League 2.  This to me looks like the beginning of a JDT esque slide we just look that bad.  We look really bad.  Boring and bad. Might take me another day or two to calm down   Not knocking the kad but Dolan had a moment when he reminded me of Meccy he did two 360's in open space for no apparent reason.  We lose the ball a lot and easily Cantwell has to be wondering what the hell he has done cos he is a cut above.  Funnily enough it is since his break thru that our results and more worryingly performances have dropped off.

I can see Cantwell soon becoming frustrated at the lack of quality around him. 

In the past, we have always tended to have one player who would at least give us goals. Now we simply do not have anyone who gives us any confidence in getting even to double figures. The likes of Dolan and Hedges havent and seemingly wont step up despite a more prominent role and Gueye is a laughing stock. Ohashi might be the best bet but I cant see him being prolific and he has really struggled.

[Mattyblue]

If you blindly back your team (a mid table one at that) to win every game then it’s not a prediction based on any kind of reality and is a waste of time typing it.

I want us to win every game, I fancied us to win some of those earlier home games. Saturday? All of us in the car over were of the same mind, ‘tough one this, take a draw’… so were we not ‘backing our team’? I best tell them lads in the car to stay at home with their negativity in future.

 

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Problem is, I agree that its about results. At the moment though, we are both boring and getting shit results. Not the best combination.

Like I said previously we are going a sticky patch atm but overall in the league we are 7th. One win and we go on good run. Who knows. 

Point against a West Brom team is a shit results 

On the Boring point. I'm not bothered about that but I didn't find the previous 3 games before Sheffield United game boring. It's about picking points and Eustace won't go over attacking too early in games. He takes pragmatic approach which is right way with this squad. 

 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im guessing that you would still reward years of nothingness from both Hedges and Dolan with new long deals with nice pay rises.

Yes I would give Dolan a new 3 contract. Hedges probably a 1 year contract. Both still have qualities but both have dipped in form

[London blue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I would give Dolan a new 3 contract. Hedges probably a 1 year contract. Both still have qualities but both have dipped in form

This is quite frankly a shocking degree of loyalty to players who have consistently under delivered.

We haven't a pot to piss in. Throwing hundreds of thousands of pounds at Dolan at this stage is pure folly.