v Stoke City (h) - 6/11/2024

[M_B]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah im not having this idea where the idiotic red card at Burnley saw his confidence fell off a cliff.

Before then, he had only started 2 league games. Against Derby, he dragged one reasonable chance wide and then missed an absolute sitter. Against Norwich he did lay on a nice pass for Hedges to score but never looked like scoring himself, then he was dropped v Oxford. When he came on he did technically get an assist (was essentially just a very good individual turn and goal by Sigurdsson) and also shanked a shot of his own almost out of the stadium.

He may be low on confidence, but thats not his main issue. He is technically so poor and clearly not someone who has the instinct to sniff out chances nor the technique to take them. He can bring the ball down usually on his chest but its of no use if he cant play a subsequent 5 yard pass. Lets hope he proves many of us wrong.

Didn't he get an assist for Dolan's goal against Derby?

[simongarnerisgod]

7 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

John Eustace says in the LT, he's thinking of starting Gueye and Ohashi  together  tomorrow night. A step in the right direction, let's play an attacking formation instead of sitting back.

id`e be delighted if he did,got to be either 3/5/2 or 4/4/1/1,i can`t see anything as radical as a 4/4/2 😀whatever  way cantwell has to be at the heart of it,he`s wasted out wide imo

[davulsukur]

8 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

John Eustace says in the LT, he's thinking of starting Gueye and Ohashi  together  tomorrow night. A step in the right direction, let's play an attacking formation instead of sitting back.

Can't see him starting both, certainly not as 2 strikers. At best Ohashi would play as a 10 in a 4-2-3-1.

JE is too cautious for anything else.

[Upside Down]

The best two players I have ever seen in the flesh are Shearer and Henry. Both played as part of a front two and both were incredibly prolific.

To be a lone striker you've got to be fucking great all the time. A front two pairing makes the most sense.

[tomphil]

Yep great or even good lone strikers are rare to say the least especially at this level and in the days of no wingers and very little 'ger it forward quick' straight from the back.

[RoversTilliDie]

36 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Can't see him starting both, certainly not as 2 strikers. At best Ohashi would play as a 10 in a 4-2-3-1.

JE is too cautious for anything else.

That's why we're cannon fodder at the moment, to cautious.

[RoversTilliDie]

1 hour ago, simongarnerisgod said:

id`e be delighted if he did,got to be either 3/5/2 or 4/4/1/1,i can`t see anything as radical as a 4/4/2 😀whatever  way cantwell has to be at the heart of it,he`s wasted out wide imo

Probably why were on a losing streak at the moment, the opposition have done their homework, let's try different formations and tactics.

[RoversTilliDie]

5 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Yep great or even good lone strikers are rare to say the least especially at this level and in the days of no wingers and very little 'ger it forward quick' straight from the back.

It's what's been missing at ewood for years, decent wingers to supply decent crosses for the strikers.

[RoversTilliDie]

15 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

The best two players I have ever seen in the flesh are Shearer and Henry. Both played as part of a front two and both were incredibly prolific.

To be a lone striker you've got to be fucking great all the time. A front two pairing makes the most sense.

We could do with fucking Alan Shearer back in the team, a fucking great striker.

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, RoversTilliDie said:

It's what's been missing at ewood for years, decent wingers to supply decent crosses for the strikers.

best era for me,duff and gillespie❤️

[Torgeir]

1 minute ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Probably why were on a losing streak at the moment, the opposition have done their homework, let's try different formations and tactics.

We played well against Watford and deserved more, but were outplayed against Sheff U who are superior to us on paper. Gueye is a problem in that he's poor at pressing and makes a lot of mistakes due to bad technique. If we want him and Ohashi to play together then Ohashi probably has to do a lot of tracking back and play in the pocket. 

Early door both had enthusiasm and a bit of margin on their side, and when one of them started, the other was sure to make an impact off the bench. Not so much any longer, and I'm not sure the answer is starting them both as what they have shown lately surely doesn't warrant a starting place.

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

So you disagree then? He was having a good game until his sending off

We only played 3 games before the Burnley game. He started 2 and off the bench in 1. 

How many actually chances have we created for him? Maybe less than 5. To lesser point we don't created many chances for our attacking players. Hence why I want Brittain and Beck has our full back putting the ball into the box more for attacking players

He is lacking of confidence which you can see. He need a goal then confidence will rise upwards. 

A couple of things you never address:

- Is creating chances solely on the rest of the team, does none of the onus fall on the actual striker finding himself in goalscoring positions through his movement and anticipation? Look how bad we were last season and how many Szmodics got, that was not because he had great creative players, he knew which runs to make and where the ball would go. Gueye is often static, he wont get chances like that 

- Why is it such a struggle to create chances when we have attacking players who you want to dish out new deals to, ie Dolan and Hedges? Surely if they are so good, they would be a strikers dream.

I dont think confidence is the main issue for Gueye. I sadly dont think he appears to be very good. Very poor technically and lacks the intelligence and awareness to sniff out goals.

2 hours ago, M_B said:

Didn't he get an assist for Dolan's goal against Derby?

I dont think he did, no. His cross came off a defender.

[Upside Down]

57 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

We could do with fucking Alan Shearer back in the team, a fucking great striker.

Fuck yes we fucking do.

The problem now is that we've got Big Mak and Ohashi that are being played on their own and being asked to do the job of both Shearer and Sutton.

We've already seen this year thta Big Mak can make a nuisance of himself and has decent hold up play and Ohashi can get in and bang in a few goals. Playing them up front on their own is just pointless. There's not many forwards in the world that are good enough to play as a lone striker, no matter how fashionable it is to set up like that.

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, Upside Down said:

The best two players I have ever seen in the flesh are Shearer and Henry. Both played as part of a front two and both were incredibly prolific.

To be a lone striker you've got to be fucking great all the time. A front two pairing makes the most sense.

I'd be happy to see it happen, just don't think JE will go for it.

[RoversTilliDie]

8 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Fuck yes we fucking do.

The problem now is that we've got Big Mak and Ohashi that are being played on their own and being asked to do the job of both Shearer and Sutton.

We've already seen this year thta Big Mak can make a nuisance of himself and has decent hold up play and Ohashi can get in and bang in a few goals. Playing them up front on their own is just pointless. There's not many forwards in the world that are good enough to play as a lone striker, no matter how fashionable it is to set up like that.

Just replying to the f--king comment.

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

A couple of things you never address:

- Is creating chances solely on the rest of the team, does none of the onus fall on the actual striker finding himself in goalscoring positions through his movement and anticipation? Look how bad we were last season and how many Szmodics got, that was not because he had great creative players, he knew which runs to make and where the ball would go. Gueye is often static, he wont get chances like that 

We don't put enough quality balls into the box or do we shoot enough by over playing instead of shooting from distance.

We played a different way to last season. 

Gueye's movement could be better but how many times have we ball between the full back and centre back for him or Ohashi to make a run in behind the defence like we did against Derby. 

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

- Why is it such a struggle to create chances when we have attacking players who you want to dish out new deals to, ie Dolan and Hedges? Surely if they are so good, they would be a strikers dream.

FFS. we get it, you don't rate them and wouldn't give them a new contracts. How many more do we need to go over it? 

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think confidence is the main issue for Gueye. I sadly dont think he appears to be very good. Very poor technically and lacks the intelligence and awareness to sniff out goals.

He started the season good and look full confidence. Since he was sent off hasn't look the same player. You disagree fine. 

[TheRevAshton]

Is McFadzean fit? I'd definitely stick him in if we're playing a back 5.

It's easy to sleep on him due to his age and lack of pace... but he brings leadership, organisation and stability to the back line.

Was torn between Brittain and Duru at RWB; as much as Duru's pace would be benefit that slow back 3, I think Brittain's deliveries could be essential to getting anything from this game. Would like to see Toth play too, but Eustace just won't will he...

[Oldgregg86]

1 hour ago, TheRevAshton said:

Is McFadzean fit? I'd definitely stick him in if we're playing a back 5.

It's easy to sleep on him due to his age and lack of pace... but he brings leadership, organisation and stability to the back line.

Was torn between Brittain and Duru at RWB; as much as Duru's pace would be benefit that slow back 3, I think Brittain's deliveries could be essential to getting anything from this game. Would like to see Toth play too, but Eustace just won't will he...

My only problem with that line up is the lack of creativity, especially playing at home. I think if your going to do that then Trav or sonny needs to be dropped for Buckley but at this point am willing to try anything to see a shot at goal.

[sharpysharps86]

1 hour ago, TheRevAshton said:

Is McFadzean fit? I'd definitely stick him in if we're playing a back 5.

It's easy to sleep on him due to his age and lack of pace... but he brings leadership, organisation and stability to the back line.

Was torn between Brittain and Duru at RWB; as much as Duru's pace would be benefit that slow back 3, I think Brittain's deliveries could be essential to getting anything from this game. Would like to see Toth play too, but Eustace just won't will he...

Feels like a change of system is needed, but I'd be more tempted to play Pickering as a left sided CB than stick Fadz in from the start, simple because he's played so little football this season. Still, he was always a rock last season whenever called upon.

[RoversTilliDie]

We need an attacking formation plain and simple, if your weak in attack your defence are under a lot more pressure. Let's go for it,and get back on track.

Edited November 6 by RoversTilliDie

[rigger]

2 hours ago, TheRevAshton said:

Is McFadzean fit? I'd definitely stick him in if we're playing a back 5.

It's easy to sleep on him due to his age and lack of pace... but he brings leadership, organisation and stability to the back line.

Was torn between Brittain and Duru at RWB; as much as Duru's pace would be benefit that slow back 3, I think Brittain's deliveries could be essential to getting anything from this game. Would like to see Toth play too, but Eustace just won't will he...

Didn't Duru play last night ?

[booth]

3 hours ago, TheRevAshton said:

Is McFadzean fit? I'd definitely stick him in if we're playing a back 5.

It's easy to sleep on him due to his age and lack of pace... but he brings leadership, organisation and stability to the back line.

Was torn between Brittain and Duru at RWB; as much as Duru's pace would be benefit that slow back 3, I think Brittain's deliveries could be essential to getting anything from this game. Would like to see Toth play too, but Eustace just won't will he...

Only delivery I want from Brittain is him sending elsewhere on a one way ticket. Awful defender. Doesn't block a single cross, head a single ball, close down a single player.

[MarkBRFC]

Would be a great 5 a side player Brittain.

[Tom]

On 05/11/2024 at 09:20, J*B said:

Buckley continues to look poor to me. Much like myself at 5 a side, if you give him time to dictate a game he’s capable but put him under any pressure and make him work and he loses the ball or can only go backwards. 

I’d only pay £8m for you 

[K-Hod]

Honestly don’t think there’s a good right back at the club. Won’t be a good left back either, once Beck goes back.