v Cardiff City (a) - 9/11/2024

[BankEnd Rover]

32 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

On a poor run but still 700+ for a Cardiff Sky game at 12.30pm.

Terrific support that.

I was shocked, the same at Watford really, our home support may be one of the worst in the league but my god our away holds it own.

[Forever Blue]

12 hours ago, KentExile said:

This may be a very unpopular take, but the past two games with Pickering playing instead of Beck has enabled Rovers to go back to a back 3 when in possession, (rather than 2 full backs who are more comfortable going forwards in Beck and Brittain) and this seems to have helped with build up play  (I know Rovers lost and didn't score against Stoke, but the build up play was still pretty good, they just didn't take their chances).

I am not saying that Pickering is better than Beck, just that having one attacking full back and one who tucks inside to make a back 3 in possession definitely seems to have benefits to Rovers, and was working well in the early weeks of the season before injuries made it more difficult to implement.  Fingers crossed we can bring back Hill from Bournemouth (or someone similar) on loan in January, and play him and Beck as full backs for the second half of the season.

Pickering is underrated as a defender. Not many goals come from his side of the pitch when he’s playing. He’s a good one-on-one defender and doesn’t make many costly mistakes. What lets him down is his lack of pace.

 Compare with JRC and Brittain who are prone to individual errors that lead to goals conceded. Neither of those players are good defenders. Brittain is good going forward and has a good cross on him. JRCs best games imo came in CM under JDT. 

[roverandout]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Great effort by you and others Rovers fans to attend the game. Longish trip. Wish I could have gone because it was one of the away grounds we wanted to do. 

It's just shows how unpredictable this league is and why we enjoyed it. 

I think we can both styles of play but yesterday we took our chances finally. 

 i agree on your last point 100%. Hate international breaks

Is Ohashi one of these 2 players? 

You don't rate Hedges do you? In the first half he was good, but second half he didn't do much..

Why did you think Cozier-Duberry will be ready to a start the first game after the international break given he would have been out for a while? 

I notice you were nowhere to be found after we lost against Stoke yet here u are lording it over other fans with an opposite opinion to yourself after we finally win 

[sharpysharps86]

13 hours ago, KentExile said:

This may be a very unpopular take, but the past two games with Pickering playing instead of Beck has enabled Rovers to go back to a back 3 when in possession, (rather than 2 full backs who are more comfortable going forwards in Beck and Brittain) and this seems to have helped with build up play  (I know Rovers lost and didn't score against Stoke, but the build up play was still pretty good, they just didn't take their chances).

I am not saying that Pickering is better than Beck, just that having one attacking full back and one who tucks inside to make a back 3 in possession definitely seems to have benefits to Rovers, and was working well in the early weeks of the season before injuries made it more difficult to implement.  Fingers crossed we can bring back Hill from Bournemouth (or someone similar) on loan in January, and play him and Beck as full backs for the second half of the season.

I think this is a great point. Pickering also had a good game yesterday, the run he made for Travis to thread it through to him for the 2nd goal was perfect.

I think Beck is an option to play further forward at times with Pickering operating behind him. Beck seems less afraid to take on a man or two than Hedges or Dolan.

[BlackburnEnd75]

13 hours ago, KentExile said:

This may be a very unpopular take, but the past two games with Pickering playing instead of Beck has enabled Rovers to go back to a back 3 when in possession, (rather than 2 full backs who are more comfortable going forwards in Beck and Brittain) and this seems to have helped with build up play  (I know Rovers lost and didn't score against Stoke, but the build up play was still pretty good, they just didn't take their chances).

I am not saying that Pickering is better than Beck, just that having one attacking full back and one who tucks inside to make a back 3 in possession definitely seems to have benefits to Rovers, and was working well in the early weeks of the season before injuries made it more difficult to implement.  Fingers crossed we can bring back Hill from Bournemouth (or someone similar) on loan in January, and play him and Beck as full backs for the second half of the season.

I was thinking about this watching the game yesterday. Helps that Pickering has played well in the last 2.

Could Beck perhaps be deployed left wing in the meantime?

[tomphil]

Then there are Bumley fans on facebook trying to pour scorn on it until it's pointed out they only took 200 more to WBA and not many more to Millwall.

That's piss poor for such a massive outfit who were in the Prem about 8 of the last 10 seasons, didn't take long for their awayday boosting hangers on to disappear now they aren't storming this league.

They truly are a breed apart from normality.

[rigger]

12 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

I think this is a great point. Pickering also had a good game yesterday, the run he made for Travis to thread it through to him for the 2nd goal was perfect.

I think Beck is an option to play further forward at times with Pickering operating behind him. Beck seems less afraid to take on a man or two than Hedges or Dolan.

Beck has what the other two haven't, speed.

[KentExile]

 

[Cherry Blue]

14 minutes ago, KentExile said:

 

Excellent photographic review. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, BankEnd Rover said:

I was shocked, the same at Watford really, our home support may be one of the worst in the league but my god our away holds it own.

The away support has been great for last few years now. Away days are brilliant 

[AllRoverAsia]

Cardiff fell asleep during the 37 passes in our own half. Pears gets the most passes award.

The final 4 or 5 passes were good though.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

21 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Cardiff fell asleep during the 37 passes in our own half. Pears gets the most passes award.

The final 4 or 5 passes were good though.

 

In spite of me being a critic of Pepball - every time you make a pass the opposing players all have decisions to make, every one, no matter how far the ball is away. Most of the time they get the decisions right and nothing happens. But occasionally one of the opposition nods off, doesn’t make the correct decision, and there’s your chance.

[Ricky]

I was having a right moan about the ball constantly going back to Pears before we scored. Shows what I know I guess 

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

It’s not as though our first 37 passes were a cunning plan to bamboozle opponents, they were a symptom of our lack of ability to play it out from the back, rooted in Pears’ chronic indecision plus both centre backs always needing two touches IMO. Interesting that Hyam played right side, he was definitely less crap than usual.  

[KentExile]

15 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto Mk2 said:

It’s not as though our first 37 passes were a cunning plan to bamboozle opponents, they were a symptom of our lack of ability to play it out from the back, rooted in Pears’ chronic indecision plus both centre backs always needing two touches IMO. Interesting that Hyam played right side, he was definitely less crap than usual.  

Meant that our least mobile defender on the day (Batth) was in the middle of the 3 at the back when Rovers had the ball so the defensive unit was more protected and solid

* Not that Pickering and Hyam are particularly mobile, but Batth is the least agile of the 3

Amusingly enough, Hyams move to the right comes less than 2 weeks after he was quoted saying he prefers playing on the left

“I must have played 95 per cent of my career on the left,” he grinned. “I am happy playing and there so are few left-footed centre-backs about.“I have become so used to it that it would probably feel a bit strange playing on the other side now. I just want to be on the pitch.”

Edited November 10, 2024 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Great effort by you and others Rovers fans to attend the game. Longish trip. Wish I could have gone because it was one of the away grounds we wanted to do. 

It's just shows how unpredictable this league is and why we enjoyed it. 

I think we can both styles of play but yesterday we took our chances finally. 

 i agree on your last point 100%. Hate international breaks

Is Ohashi one of these 2 players? 

You don't rate Hedges do you? In the first half he was good, but second half he didn't do much..

Why did you think Cozier-Duberry will be ready to a start the first game after the international break given he would have been out for a while? 

It was a great effort especially considering the disregard shown to them with a third 12.30 kick off on the bounce.

I dont rate Hedges, no. He has shown over a number of seasons that he is incapable of producing in the final third on anything other than a very sporadic basis. He had a great chance to do something yesterday and made the wrong decision. Was clean through v Stoke and took too long. I dont have a clue how close ACD is, I just would like to see him in the side ASAP to get Hedges out and to give us some pace.

Ohashi wasnt one of the two players no, my comment was in reference to the idea that Pears and Hedges were scapegoated. But I dont think that he is up top being a regular striker at this level, nor was he intended to be. Eustace referenced him as a Telalovic replacment when he signed.

Problem is, Gestede found an absolute donkey in Makhtar Gueye so Ohashi has to keep being our main striker. You wasnt seen post Stoke, but have been very keen to dismiss the idea that Gueye's lack of success has been in anyway down to his lack of movement/anticipation, and purely on a lack of chances created for him. Cantwell put a header on a plate for him midweek and he still missed, has your opinion on Gueye changed at all?

5 hours ago, M_B said:

How can you come up with an "opinion" like that without knowing the stats, yet accuse me of fabricating an idea?

I said that you had fabricated this idea that people were so critical of Pears as if they felt that he shouldnt be making errors. His issue had been the quantity and regularity of them. 

[M_B]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It was a great effort especially considering the disregard shown to them with a third 12.30 kick off on the bounce.

I dont rate Hedges, no. He has shown over a number of seasons that he is incapable of producing in the final third on anything other than a very sporadic basis. He had a great chance to do something yesterday and made the wrong decision. Was clean through v Stoke and took too long. I dont have a clue how close ACD is, I just would like to see him in the side ASAP to get Hedges out and to give us some pace.

Ohashi wasnt one of the two players no, my comment was in reference to the idea that Pears and Hedges were scapegoated. But I dont think that he is up top being a regular striker at this level, nor was he intended to be. Eustace referenced him as a Telalovic replacment when he signed.

Problem is, Gestede found an absolute donkey in Makhtar Gueye so Ohashi has to keep being our main striker. You wasnt seen post Stoke, but have been very keen to dismiss the idea that Gueye's lack of success has been in anyway down to his lack of movement/anticipation, and purely on a lack of chances created for him. Cantwell put a header on a plate for him midweek and he still missed, has your opinion on Gueye changed at all?

I said that you had fabricated this idea that people were so critical of Pears as if they felt that he shouldnt be making errors. His issue had been the quantity and regularity of them. 

I know what you said, if you read this forum it sometimes is as if Pears is the only keeper who makes mistakes.

You haven't addressed your fabrication, how do you come to that conclusion without actually knowing the stats?

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

I know what you said, if you read this forum it sometimes is as if Pears is the only keeper who makes mistakes.

You haven't addressed your fabrication, how do you come to that conclusion without actually knowing the stats?

Its not based on stats. More often than not when I have seen him, he has been very good and made numerous saves. Its not objectively true, its my opinion that a keeper of that calibre at this level will earn you points.

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, sharpysharps86 said:

I think this is a great point. Pickering also had a good game yesterday, the run he made for Travis to thread it through to him for the 2nd goal was perfect.

I think Beck is an option to play further forward at times with Pickering operating behind him. Beck seems less afraid to take on a man or two than Hedges or Dolan.

Eustace tried Beck further forward in the Sheffield United game. He's very much Warnock reincarnated - he doesn't have the feet to play as an attacking player. 

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It was a great effort especially considering the disregard shown to them with a third 12.30 kick off on the bounce.

Is it really big issue given the amount of time you know about?

It was a game I wanted to go but couldn't go to for a couple of reasons. The change of kick off time wasn't one of those reason. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont rate Hedges, no. He has shown over a number of seasons that he is incapable of producing in the final third on anything other than a very sporadic basis. He had a great chance to do something yesterday and made the wrong decision. Was clean through v Stoke and took too long.

Cantwell had great chance yesterday, but we dont say anything about that. He also was slow in shooting a couple of times. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont have a clue how close ACD is, I just would like to see him in the side ASAP to get Hedges out and to give us some pace.

Given that he is still injured at the minute and been out a couple of weeks I don't see him being ready for the first 2 games after international break. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Ohashi wasnt one of the two players no, my comment was in reference to the idea that Pears and Hedges were scapegoated. But I dont think that he is up top being a regular striker at this level, nor was he intended to be. Eustace referenced him as a Telalovic replacment when he signed.

Surely Eustace's referenced was in terms of numbers of the squad? 

I think Ohashi is a good player who has proven his worth to the team, Eustace and fans. His performance yesterday was good and shows what he brings us. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Problem is, Gestede found an absolute donkey in Makhtar Gueye so Ohashi has to keep being our main striker. You wasnt seen post Stoke, but have been very keen to dismiss the idea that Gueye's lack of success has been in anyway down to his lack of movement/anticipation, and purely on a lack of chances created for him. Cantwell put a header on a plate for him midweek and he still missed, has your opinion on Gueye changed at all?

I wasn't seen post Stoke game for couple of private reasons on here. 

No my opinion hasn't changed on Gueye yet. Yes he missed a chance that he should have scored but he was in the right place at the right time. 

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is it really big issue given the amount of time you know about?

It was a game I wanted to go but couldn't go to for a couple of reasons. The change of kick off time wasn't one of those reason. 

Cantwell had great chance yesterday, but we dont say anything about that. He also was slow in shooting a couple of times. 

Given that he is still injured at the minute and been out a couple of weeks I don't see him being ready for the first 2 games after international break. 

Surely Eustace's referenced was in terms of numbers of the squad? 

I think Ohashi is a good player who has proven his worth to the team, Eustace and fans. His performance yesterday was good and shows what he brings us. 

I wasn't seen post Stoke game for couple of private reasons on here. 

No my opinion hasn't changed on Gueye yet. Yes he missed a chance that he should have scored but he was in the right place at the right time. 

You think Gueye, at circa £1.5m, is a good signing?!

Right place, right time though😉

[RoversTilliDie]

19 hours ago, roversinmyblood said:

Maybe, just maybe, if we can stay close to the top six by Jan we can get the recruits we need to go for it. If we can also get our long term injuries back then who knows what might happen. 

We play some fantastic football, when we put our minds to it.

[RoversTilliDie]

Tottenham 0 Ipswich 2, szchmodics scored the 1st.

[M_B]

4 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Tottenham 0 Ipswich 2, szchmodics scored the 1st.

Overhead kick if you haven't seen it, great finish.

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

You think Gueye, at circa £1.5m, is a good signing?!

Right place, right time though😉

So far, he has been poor signing.

Ohashi has been a good signing so far.