Contracts

[JHRover]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Liverpool will want 10m for him at least. Are you really paying that? You could get 5 or 6 quality players for that

Beck will sign for a Championship club for £2 million or so at the most.

[bluebruce]

17 hours ago, alex l said:

I actually think it was quite smart given how it's panned out. Had he been naff, low risk. It's not like a loan where the player was returning to their club. Had we given Forshaw a 2.5 year or even 1.5 year contract, it'd be (rightly) said to be poor business. With Yuri, we've essentially had a trial period before committing. 

You don't think we will be paying a higher wage on this new deal now he has been solid in this league? Because I do. Nothing smart about it, we didn't even put an extension option in the initial deal. If he'd decided he didn't like the circus here, or he'd grabbed another club's attention, we'd have essentially been trialling him on someone else's behalf. It was obvious from game 1 that the length of the deal was a mistake.

And Forshaw is old and was performing poorly for a poor side. A 1.5 or 2.5 year deal would have clearly been a mistake before he kicked a ball. In fact signing him til the summer was a clear mistake.

 

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Beck will sign for a Championship club for £2 million or so at the most.

I don't believe that at all. 5 million minimum. He's been excellent and is still young.

[JHRover]

38 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I don't believe that at all. 5 million minimum. He's been excellent and is still young.

I don't think so. He will be 23 at the start of next season and his only real experience has been loans at Bolton in League One, Dundee in the SPL and Rovers in the Championship. 

He is getting another Championship club at best. I can't see very many paying more than £3 million for a Championship LB. 

If we were a sensible club with any sort of strategy or investment then he'd be top of the list for an offer, but we saw with Harrison Reed that we've no interest in making these players permanent and prefer to put them in the shop window so that a rival club can move in and buy them the year after.

I suspect he will end up at a Middlesbrough, Stoke, West Brom etc. I suppose we will see on that.

[Tomphil2]

Interesting podcast i stumbled upon on Youtube i think it was called The Business of Football, they were interviewing the Plymouth CEO.

He stressed the point of regular communication being paramount at community clubs who were very much up against it budget wise. Engaging with the whole fanbase and community and developing that understanding all in it together making then feel important and part of it because it helps during in the sticky periods.

Touched on head coaches/managers wages saying they start in the Champ from a couple of hundred grand per year if it's a longer contract up to a million plus for bigger names and short term deals.  He said 1 year contracts for older or experienced players are becoming the norm, agents like them because the terms are bigger, clubs outside the top end and parachute clubs favour them now due to worrying about relegation.

You can exactly see what the mindset is at Ewood now it's almost the same as a club who've spent most of their recent times in league 1 and expected nothing more than fighting relegation this season. Yes they are capable of bigger gates in a bigger untapped area but even he said they can't charge a lot and they've not got billionaire owners.

Also only just starting out with their academy.

I cannot help but think the russian roulette policy in terms of going with such a low budget is being done on purpose now by tweedle dum and tweedle dee. 

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I don't think so. He will be 23 at the start of next season and his only real experience has been loans at Bolton in League One, Dundee in the SPL and Rovers in the Championship. 

He is getting another Championship club at best. I can't see very many paying more than £3 million for a Championship LB. 

If we were a sensible club with any sort of strategy or investment then he'd be top of the list for an offer, but we saw with Harrison Reed that we've no interest in making these players permanent and prefer to put them in the shop window so that a rival club can move in and buy them the year after.

I suspect he will end up at a Middlesbrough, Stoke, West Brom etc. I suppose we will see on that.

What do you mean 'at best' another Championship club? He's been one of the best LBs in the league until his injury, he's not exactly about to drop to League One. At 23 with the potential to improve and already showing he can be one of the best in his position at this level, 2 or 3 million would be a ridiculous bargain for someone. He doesn't need to improve much more to look Premiership ready. His previous CV doesn't really matter anymore.

Obviously we're a badly-ran club, and we could perhaps have got an option to buy for 2 mill ish at the time we loaned him. But as you say we've no ambition or forethought.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

I don't think so. He will be 23 at the start of next season and his only real experience has been loans at Bolton in League One, Dundee in the SPL and Rovers in the Championship. 

He is getting another Championship club at best. I can't see very many paying more than £3 million for a Championship LB. 

If we were a sensible club with any sort of strategy or investment then he'd be top of the list for an offer, but we saw with Harrison Reed that we've no interest in making these players permanent and prefer to put them in the shop window so that a rival club can move in and buy them the year after.

I suspect he will end up at a Middlesbrough, Stoke, West Brom etc. I suppose we will see on that.

I reckon he end up at Brentford for around £10m

[DutchRover]

Pathetic that they are trying to portray activating Hyam's extension as a new contract. 

[KentExile]

So in the past few days we have had Tronstad saying he wants to sign a new contract and stay, and Ismael now saying Brittain will be a key part of his team going forwards.

Well somebody had better pull their finger out and get some contracts sorted, otherwise we will have another mass exodus (a la Rothwell, Lenihan, Nyambe, Brereton)  in a years time when half the team (Tronstad, Brittain, Travis, Hyam) walks away on frees because it was easier (& cheaper) to wait because there was no need to rush

[MarkBRFC]

I would be amazed if any of them sign new contracts.

They just won't be offered the going rate for experienced championship players in there positions.

[BankEnd Rover]

15 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I would be amazed if any of them sign new contracts.

They just won't be offered the going rate for experienced championship players in there positions.

They'll sign, the club have no choice really...Doesn't mean they won't leave though. 

[Mattyblue]

The players have a choice.

[KentExile]

43 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I would be amazed if any of them sign new contracts.

They just won't be offered the going rate for experienced championship players in there positions.

I fear that is the case, its just a coin flip of if Waggott et al will sell them for buttons (because of contract mismanagement) this summer, or decide that we will get better value (not getting relegated next season) out of them by playing them for a year, and then letting them leave on frees next summer

Obviously the correct course of action would have been to have signed them up to long term deals at least a year ago, but with the clowns that we have in charge, that was never going to happen

[MarkBRFC]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25102098.blackburn-star-perfect-afternoon-message-future/

Callum Brittain saying he's had no talks about a new deal.

So the 3 that Gestede told Elliot we are talking to, all of them have now come out in the past couple of weeks saying no talks have taken place.

 

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25102098.blackburn-star-perfect-afternoon-message-future/

Callum Brittain saying he's had no talks about a new deal.

So the 3 that Gestede told Elliot we are talking to, all of them have now come out in the past couple of weeks saying no talks have taken place.

 

Those in power at Rovers stating things that are far from the truth?

Who would have dreamed that such things could happen?

[roversfan99]

All we need is communication as stakeholders though, right? Not actions.

[simongarnerisgod]

do the morons not realise it will take a lot more money to replace travis,tronstadt and brittain than it will to extend their contracts,cannot believe they are going to let 3 key players run down their contracts

[KentExile]

18 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

do the morons not realise it will take a lot more money to replace travis,tronstadt and brittain than it will to extend their contracts,cannot believe they are going to let 3 key players run down their contracts

The flaw in your thinking is that whilst it will indeed cost a lot more money to replace them adequately (rather than renew their contracts).  The big brain move that the morons are making is to save money by replacing them with inadequate lesser players, who they will then cross their fingers and hope will do enough to keep Rovers in the Championship on a shoestring budget

What can possibly go wrong?

Edited Saturday at 12:19 by KentExile

[bluebruce]

6 hours ago, KentExile said:

So in the past few days we have had Tronstad saying he wants to sign a new contract and stay, and Ismael now saying Brittain will be a key part of his team going forwards.

Well somebody had better pull their finger out and get some contracts sorted, otherwise we will have another mass exodus (a la Rothwell, Lenihan, Nyambe, Brereton)  in a years time when half the team (Tronstad, Brittain, Travis, Hyam) walks away on frees because it was easier (& cheaper) to wait because there was no need to rush

'Cheaper'. We surely are the masters of false economy.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25102098.blackburn-star-perfect-afternoon-message-future/

Callum Brittain saying he's had no talks about a new deal.

So the 3 that Gestede told Elliot we are talking to, all of them have now come out in the past couple of weeks saying no talks have taken place.

 

Rovers need to get Travis, Hyam, Brittain and Tronstad tie down to new contracts. 

49 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

All we need is communication as stakeholders though, right? Not actions.

Communicating to your stakeholders is part of running a football club. From your comments you don't see that communicating with people is a major part of running a football club. is that correct? 

[MarkBRFC]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers need to get Travis, Hyam, Brittain and Tronstad tie down to new contracts. 

They do, but not a chance they will.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

They do, but not a chance they will.

lets hope they all will 

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

lets hope they all will 

the actions of our 3 not so wise men and abscent owners mean they definately won`t

[RevidgeBlue]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Communicating to your stakeholders is part of running a football club. From your comments you don't see that communicating with people is a major part of running a football club. is that correct? 

"Communicating to stakeholders"

This is the sort of flowery tosh that is made a big song and dance about when really all that matters is doing the right thing. As supporters we don't need to know absolutely everything that's going on behind the scenes. In the contract situation all that actually matters is that our better players are signed up to new deals. If we had had no idea at all that talks had been taking place and suddenly new deals were announced for the likes of Brittain and Travis, that would be absolutely fine.

The trouble at this Club is we never tie our better players down in timely fashion. The fact we're also kept in the dark about what is or isn't happening is merely an added irritant.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

the actions of our 3 not so wise men and abscent owners mean they definately won`t

From the recent interviews it sounds like the non renewals are being dressed up as an "exciting" opportunity for VI to mould his own squad with his own type of (cheaper) players.