Contracts

[Norbert Rassragr]

Travis and Tronstad will be replaced in the starting 11 by Buckley and someone else, Brittain will be replaced by JRC, and the squad places will be filled by crap loans, and Forshaw type of freebies. We all know it's coming, just like a relegation fight. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers need to get Travis, Hyam, Brittain and Tronstad tie down to new contracts. 

Communicating to your stakeholders is part of running a football club. From your comments you don't see that communicating with people is a major part of running a football club. is that correct? 

Actions are important, not words.

Take this instance. These players have either signed a contract or they havent. I dont care whether the 3 stooges say they plan to offer new deals, they have offered new deals, whatever shite they might spout in interviews isnt worth anyones time. Its a black and white situation.

[JHRover]

Here's how it goes. We are operated by charlatans and snake oil salesmen who are rewarded based on how much cash they save the Indians. 

The idea of rewarding players with improved or extended contracts where those players receive higher wages, signing on fees, improved terms, when those players ultimately remain under contract (for now) is the very antithesis of what these people are all about. 

To them it isn't a problem that needs sorting. They are under contract, and these people see no reason to increase costs by offering them new ones now (or many months ago).

A slippery character like Waggott, lower than a snake's belly, and whoever else is involved in these things behind the scenes, are not interested in medium to long term consequences of their actions/inactions - if you doubt this then just look at our ticketing and commercial policies over the last few years. 

It is all about the here and now and immediate cash flow. They'll screw the hardy few fans for every penny, including via blackmail schemes (1875 club, more on that below) and the players get similar treatment, the only benefit they get is they are paid for their part in this fiasco and can simply walk off elsewhere at the end of their terms.

I also reckon they like to play a game of brinkmanship with the players - making a point - forcing them to wait - and expecting the player/agent to cave in later on and accept whatever garbage terms the club are offering. Some will, usually the academy graduates grateful for a shot at Championship football, those who are coming to the end of their careers and are grateful to keep playing in the Championship. But prime years of career people like Travis, Tronstad, Carter, Brittain? No chance, their agents will know there's far better out there than being mucked around here.

Oh yeah, the 1875 club perks. These are the benefits for your £25 fee:
 

• 1x 10% off Roverstore goods (excluding Macron products) - general tat aside from the Macron kits and training gear
• Discount on selected match tickets - any spring to mind?
• Discount on selected women's matches
• 10% discount on all matchday hospitality (excluding Jack's kitchen) - not much use to your average fan
• 10% discount on 'non matchday club events' - how many of these have there been?
• Exclusive competitions - can't remember seeing any?
• Monthly newsletter - don't remember seeing anything since last year

Once they've got your money they fail to deliver their side of things, we've seen that throughout. 

[JHRover]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Actions are important, not words.

Take this instance. These players have either signed a contract or they havent. I dont care whether the 3 stooges say they plan to offer new deals, they have offered new deals, whatever shite they might spout in interviews isnt worth anyones time. Its a black and white situation.

Serious organisations let their actions do the talking. 

Here of course there is a distinct lack of action and not much by way of talking, although when we do hear from them it is all excuses and future plans/intentions nothing more than that.

The last thing most of us want to see or hear is any of the revolting stooges or their employers. I'd rather never see or hear from any of them ever again, but whilst they occupy positions of power at this Club they need to act appropriately, which they certainly aren't doing. 

That failure to act properly is the source of the anger and trouble, not their failure to communicate.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

They do, but not a chance they will.

My guess is probably 2 out of those 4 will get renewed before the expiry. Dunno which, probably whichever is prepared to accept the shittest terms or has the least external interest. So probably the 2 who are in the worst form at the time.

[simongarnerisgod]

we could get 6/7 million for travis.tronstadt and brittain,mana from heaven for the 3 muppets,it`s what they will be thinking about,for the fans,it`s a massive kick in the *****,poor valerian will be lucky if he gets half a million out of it

[JHRover]

6 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

we could get 6/7 million for travis.tronstadt and brittain,mana from heaven for the 3 muppets,it`s what they will be thinking about,for the fans,it`s a massive kick in the *****,poor valerian will be lucky if he gets half a million out of it

Fortunately for the stooges Ismael is only approaching his first transfer window with them, so they can string him along like they did with JDT and Eustace - vague promises of jam tomorrow, good budgets, reinvestment - he will only realise come September that they are liars and bullshitters - just like JDT and Eustace came to realise after 1-2 transfer windows - they won't care by September as they'll have banked the transfer and season ticket cash and won't need to worry about spending anything until January. Another year on the gravy train complete.

[simongarnerisgod]

10 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Fortunately for the stooges Ismael is only approaching his first transfer window with them, so they can string him along like they did with JDT and Eustace - vague promises of jam tomorrow, good budgets, reinvestment - he will only realise come September that they are liars and bullshitters - just like JDT and Eustace came to realise after 1-2 transfer windows - they won't care by September as they'll have banked the transfer and season ticket cash and won't need to worry about spending anything until January. Another year on the gravy train complete.

we might we looking for a new manager even before the season starts!!!!,it`s clear from his comments that ismael expects to rebuild the squad,though im`e not sure why,when his request for transfer money is ignored he might do the off,he gives the impression he has`nt got the longest fuse and it`s his reputation thats going to suffer,jdt and eustace endured the exact same scenario

[davulsukur]

All 4 of Trav, Tronstad, Brittain and Hyam have outgrown Rovers in terms of wages. They will all be able to command higher salaries than the club are willing to pay. 

The club won't be getting any of them on new contracts and they will be actively looking to shift them all on in the summer, with the narrative being one of, a deal couldn't be agreed, they don't fit the managers way of playing or they wanted to explore the opportunity at club "x".

It'll be a downgrade and as always, we'll be the ones that suffer.

[Waggy76]

17 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

we might we looking for a new manager even before the season starts!!!!,it`s clear from his comments that ismael expects to rebuild the squad,though im`e not sure why,when his request for transfer money is ignored he might do the off,he gives the impression he has`nt got the longest fuse and it`s his reputation thats going to suffer,jdt and eustace endured the exact same scenario

Maybe the 3month trial is a 2 way street ??

[DeeCee]

Surely the right actions and "sensible" communication is the correct option?

[Wheelton Blue]

Don't tell me what you're going to do; rather, tell me when you've done it.

In the meantime, STFU.

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Actions are important, not words.

Take this instance. These players have either signed a contract or they havent. I dont care whether the 3 stooges say they plan to offer new deals, they have offered new deals, whatever shite they might spout in interviews isnt worth anyones time. Its a black and white situation.

where have I said actions aren't important tho RF99? Can you point me to where I have said this? 

I see the club communicating with supporters as important and explaining certain situations like why GB left the club or the Indian Court case or Eustace leaving Rovers for Derby. Rovers CEO and Head of football operations should be out there communicating what has happened, what will happened next, etc.  

[roversfan99]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

where have I said actions aren't important tho RF99? Can you point me to where I have said this? 

I see the club communicating with supporters as important and explaining certain situations like why GB left the club or the Indian Court case or Eustace leaving Rovers for Derby. Rovers CEO and Head of football operations should be out there communicating what has happened, what will happened next, etc.  

But the issues that caused these things can happen cannot be talked away. 

And to be quite honest, I dont trust a word that comes out of these jokers mouths.

Take the Eustace one. It was an absolute enbarassment that a manager at a team in the top 6 would choose to join a side in the bottom 3. The 3 stooges DID "communicate" through that stupid interview but anything they do say is going to be warped, with the intention of pushing the blame onto Eustace himself which some of our fans swallowed at first. They arent going to say that he left because of interference on transfers, on pathetic transfer budgets, on players put on him that he didnt want, on potential broken promises, on an inability to give him a new contract or on an inability to give key players new contracts because that makes them and the owners look guilty. Hence why they mentioned his "attachment" to Derby and family reasons. 

With the Broughton situation, itll no doubt have legal issues eg non disclosure agreements. With the court case, they keep lying and saying it has no impact on the club.

Nothing they say should be given any credibility. Anything they say will be a mixture of lies or at least bending the truth.

Did their interview the other week make you feel any better about the situation?

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But the issues that caused these things can happen cannot be talked away. 

And to be quite honest, I dont trust a word that comes out of these jokers mouths.

Take the Eustace one. It was an absolute enbarassment that a manager at a team in the top 6 would choose to join a side in the bottom 3. The 3 stooges DID "communicate" through that stupid interview but anything they do say is going to be warped, with the intention of pushing the blame onto Eustace himself which some of our fans swallowed at first. They arent going to say that he left because of interference on transfers, on pathetic transfer budgets, on players put on him that he didnt want, on potential broken promises, on an inability to give him a new contract or on an inability to give key players new contracts because that makes them and the owners look guilty. Hence why they mentioned his "attachment" to Derby and family reasons. 

With the Broughton situation, itll no doubt have legal issues eg non disclosure agreements. With the court case, they keep lying and saying it has no impact on the club.

Nothing they say should be given any credibility. Anything they say will be a mixture of lies or at least bending the truth.

Did their interview the other week make you feel any better about the situation?

my question was a simple one but no answer again RF99, What the issue answering the simple question, where have I said actions aren't important tho RF99? Can you point me to where I have said this? 

Yes I have listened to the Gestede interview with Elliott Jackson and I thought he did fine and ok. Answered all questions and Jackson confirmed the questions weren't vetted and Gestede didn't know what would be asked by Elliott pre interview

I will listened to the Radio Lancs at some point this weekend. 

The communication was too slow and reactive not pro-active. Eustace shouldn't have taken charge of the Wolves FA cup game given the approach happened on Friday and he wanted to go Derby so Waggott and Gestede should have placed Eustace, Downing and Gardiner on gardening leave until the Derby moved happened and contracts are signed, Johnson and Lowe should have been put in charge until further notice and Gestede does the media rounds on Thursday morning/afternoon after Eustace moved was confirmed outlining what has happened, when everything happened and what the plan for a new permanent head coach appointment 

[roversfan99]

56 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

my question was a simple one but no answer again RF99, What the issue answering the simple question, where have I said actions aren't important tho RF99? Can you point me to where I have said this? 

Yes I have listened to the Gestede interview with Elliott Jackson and I thought he did fine and ok. Answered all questions and Jackson confirmed the questions weren't vetted and Gestede didn't know what would be asked by Elliott pre interview

I will listened to the Radio Lancs at some point this weekend. 

The communication was too slow and reactive not pro-active. Eustace shouldn't have taken charge of the Wolves FA cup game given the approach happened on Friday and he wanted to go Derby so Waggott and Gestede should have placed Eustace, Downing and Gardiner on gardening leave until the Derby moved happened and contracts are signed, Johnson and Lowe should have been put in charge until further notice and Gestede does the media rounds on Thursday morning/afternoon after Eustace moved was confirmed outlining what has happened, when everything happened and what the plan for a new permanent head coach appointment 

I never said that you specifically said that. I am saying that communication is immaterial, all that matters to me and seemingly everyone beside you is what happens, not what is said.

Any communication will be not worth their breath anyway, the 3 stooges have a sole priority of making themselves look as good as possible and also our terrible owners who pay them. They will lie or at least skew the narrative wherever possible, and there will also be legal issues. Surely even you can see that?

You repeatedly go back to the way we dealt with that Wolves cup game. The issue to every other person was solely the fact that a second talented manager in 12 months just couldn't cope with working at this club anymore. A desperate attempt to appease the fans does nothing for anyone. He isn't going to give a neutral view anyway, as I highlighted with what they said in that interview the other week. We know he didn't leave solely because he wanted a club closer to home/one where he had played. But if they told the truth, they would look bad.

What would you have taken from Gestede coming out and saying why Eustace left? And why are you so bothered about when everything happened? Just seems like a morbid curiosity over something that is neither here nor there.

It's the same with all issues:

- managerial appointment - why was the plan so important? Just judge when an actual manager is in.

- transfers - again, we have heard many times that we plan to do this and that and it hasn't materialised. Every window, they seem to reflect on transfers we couldnt get done, and it isnt contested anyway. Why was Plan B in getting a striker for a fee, one on loan? Makes no sense

- contracts - the players have either signed or not signed. In this case, not signed. Whether they claim to be in talks, plan to sit down with them, whatever, its a binary issue.

[chaddyrovers]

Proper communication with your stakeholders/supporters is how you build trust and its effective communication with your based. 

I would be open and honest with the stakeholders/supporters of the club, building that trust with them but also letting them know exactly what has happened, why and the plan going forward from here.

Other owners do it and it's a great how open they are with their stakeholders/supporters. So why can't we be similar..

My problem is you had a head coach leaving the club and wanting to leave but left in charge of the team of a game. Would you had left him in charge of that if you were CEO knowing he wanted out? I knew I deffo wouldn't. 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Proper communication with your stakeholders/supporters is how you build trust and its effective communication with your based. 

I would be open and honest with the stakeholders/supporters of the club, building that trust with them but also letting them know exactly what has happened, why and the plan going forward from here.

Other owners do it and it's a great how open they are with their stakeholders/supporters. So why can't we be similar..

My problem is you had a head coach leaving the club and wanting to leave but left in charge of the team of a game. Would you had left him in charge of that if you were CEO knowing he wanted out? I knew I deffo wouldn't. 

You build trust by running the club properly. Here we have terrible, absent owners and an incompetent board. Its not what they have said or not said that has caused me to feel like that, its what theyve done and not done. Same with everyone but you it seems.

The problem was that the terrible owners and board had led to a head coach feeling that he couldnt possibly stay. It should never have come to that. Everything else is immaterial including the shite they come out with to try and justify it by making out as if it was an opportunity that Eustace couldnt turn down rather than him being si unhappy.

Do you believe a word that comes out of Suhail, Waggott or Gestede's mouth anyway?

[Mattyblue]

Won’t somebody think of the stakeholders!

[wilsdenrover]

Actions not words

[London blue]

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Proper communication with your stakeholders/supporters is how you build trust and its effective communication with your based. 

I would be open and honest with the stakeholders/supporters of the club, building that trust with them but also letting them know exactly what has happened, why and the plan going forward from here.

Other owners do it and it's a great how open they are with their stakeholders/supporters. So why can't we be similar..

My problem is you had a head coach leaving the club and wanting to leave but left in charge of the team of a game. Would you had left him in charge of that if you were CEO knowing he wanted out? I knew I deffo wouldn't. 

"We, the board and senior management of BRFC feel it's time to be open and honest with supports in order to build trust.

We don't care about the football club. We have been and will continue to run the club in the cheapest way possible. Eustace left because he hated working here, as did JDT. Ismail was cheap. We'll renew player contracts if we can weasel them into agreeing terms that are below market value.

The fans don't matter to us, in fact, they're an irritant. If we could run the club without their income, we would.

We have no aspirations of building or growing the club, in any way, whatsoever."

Happy?

[chaddyrovers]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You build trust by running the club properly. Here we have terrible, absent owners and an incompetent board. Its not what they have said or not said that has caused me to feel like that, its what theyve done and not done. Same with everyone but you it seems.

The problem was that the terrible owners and board had led to a head coach feeling that he couldnt possibly stay. It should never have come to that. Everything else is immaterial including the shite they come out with to try and justify it by making out as if it was an opportunity that Eustace couldnt turn down rather than him being si unhappy.

Do you believe a word that comes out of Suhail, Waggott or Gestede's mouth anyway?

my communication point as I have told you in the last week is about wider football point not just about Blackburn Rovers. 

I'm not going this point time after time with you but other football clubs/owners communicated with their supporters and keep them inform them. Getting leaflets out to people in Blackburn, Darwen, Chorley, Leyland, Ribble Valley, Hyndburn about ST for next season is a form of communication.

The Director of Football or CEO being at the first press conference explaining why they appointed this head coach is fairly normal at most clubs. John Williams and Tom Finn did it when we appointed Sam Allardyce  

[Mattyblue]

Ah you’re moving the goal posts now.

So by ‘comms’ you meant advertising and marketing too? Well obviously folk are going to agree that we should be doing that… however a running commentary of lies from the three stooges is another matter entrirely.

[chaddyrovers]

All parts of communication with your stakeholders/supporters Matty

[Mattyblue]

We won’t be getting any of what you describe from this regime (even if we expand what you mean by ‘comms’ to include basic marketing) so you might as well let it go.