v Leeds United (h) - 30/11/2024

[roversfan99]

The player wouldnt be eligible for his parent club until the next transfer window.

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I think all loans, other than emergency goalkeeper loans, have to be either half or full season ones now.

No idea what year the rules changed though.

 

27 minutes ago, rigger said:

I am not sure, but It may be possible for an early recall if both clubs agree to it ?

According to Wikipedia, Barrow was an emergency loan, so presumably early recall is allowed for those, but not standard window to window loans

* BBC also state it was an emergency loan https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33853355

Edited December 1 by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, islander200 said:

Last 2 games understandable why he hasn't seen any minutes but surely Durberry is going to be recalled by Brighton in January?

why? He was injured for a period of time plus joined late in the window so at the time, he had to wait and take his time when he gets it 

11 hours ago, arbitro said:

I was surprised to hear Eustace pretty much say we didn't have a nominated penalty taker. When it appeared that three or four players were squabbling over who is taking the penalty I thought it was a ploy to keep Meslier guessing. Eustace confirmed he doesn't mind who takes them as long As they score.

That's was interested comment from Eustace cos I thought he would have nominate someone, tho at least players wanted to take it and Travis as captain sorted it very quickly.    

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The acid test might be whether we can sustain these levels across the season as that tends to be the issue. Eustace like Tomasson and Mowbray before has started the season well but its whether an underfunded squad can maintain it across 46 games.

He is definitely the type of manager that is the right one for the situation we are in. He comes across as fairly mundane and his teams certainly dont play exciting thrill a minute football but the way he has the team organised and structured is really proving to be effective despite a lack of firepower. It feels like he is dripping them for everything they have got. There were question marks last season because he didnt win barely at all especially at home, but we are able to now.

Why do you keep mentioning this comment of don't play exciting thrill football? 

Last season, you wanted JDT to change tactics and he didn't, so has that not taught you we can't play that style of football and we need to well drilled, well organised who played good football when we can but not suicide football? I was wrong last season for backing JDT and his style, I can admitted my mistake and wrong opinion

Do you not think Eustace is doing a great job and he knows how to set a team up that is well drilled and well organised which can also play at the right moments? 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think that Pears is anywhere Kaminski levels, Kaminski used to save us points and save things you wouldnt necessarily expect him too. Pears doesnt, take today (ignoring his wayward kicking and first half mistake) the saves he made were routine, same with the catches, youd expect him to make them. That has pretty much been the case all season, aided by being afforded far better protection. The difference comes in the goals he has conceded, last season there were so many that he let in that he simply shouldnt have done. This season, there have been maybe 1 or 2 that I can remember, very occasional mistakes. This may sound critical or at best a back handed compliment, but to go from regularly chucking in goals he should routinely save to now saving shots he should and letting in ones that he wouldnt be expected to save is an improvement I wasnt expecting, so fair play to him.

Why does Pears need to be Kaminski levels? 

He has improved this season overall and he just need to be himself and keep it simple. 

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The point was that he is currently making the saves youd expect him to make, without being like Kaminski and making outstanding saves he has no right to save. And crediting him from going from a keeper who was making mistake after mistake last season (many of which cant just be fobbed off as down to us being open and less not as hard to play against, some where under Eustace) to one who is no longer making repeated unforced errors. Thats praise as its a considerable improvement and doesnt have any negative connotations.

Maybe the reason why he isn't having to make saves you wouldn't expect is down to how we play defensively and very compact team with solid back 4 in front of him but also team that is similar most games? 

[47er]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

why? He was injured for a period of time plus joined late in the window so at the time, he had to wait and take his time when he gets it 

That's was interested comment from Eustace cos I thought he would have nominate someone, tho at least players wanted to take it and Travis as captain sorted it very quickly.    

Looked amateurish though. 

[Mattyblue]

I’m entertained by committed, winning football.

[rigger]

14 minutes ago, 47er said:

Looked amateurish though. 

As the ball hit the back of the net, I wonder how many people thought : Well that looked amateurish ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Imo Kaminsky didn't make outstanding saves, Raya did. Kaminsky was on the whole a good solid keeper but nowhere near as good as Raya.

As for Pears, I was as critical as anyone about the circumstances in which he joined the Club but since the FA Cup disaster at Wigan after which everyone wrote him off completely I think he's gradually improved and the Sheff Wed howler apart last season I think he's developed into quite a reasonable keeper. Not as good as Kaminsky or Raya but nothing to warrant anywhere near the amount of criticism he gets on here with certain posters who jump on  the slightest error he makes irrespective of whether it costs the team a goal or who blame him for goals which are blatantly not down to him but  down to defensive errors.

On another day that pass Pears gave to Gnonto ends up in the back of the net and we’d have been really up against it then. I still haven’t seen him make a save that was out of the ordinary.

[superniko]

We never get penalties (first at home for 2 years?) so no wonder nobody had a clue who was taking it. 

Great to see Travis step in and sort it out.

No doubting it was a perfect penalty too (always more pressure after that happens); low, inside netting, plenty of pace. I’d say we know our taking going forward 

Edited December 1 by superniko

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Fantastic performance and week. The best thing about both results is that we deserved them. We were the best coached team and created the best chances in both.

Leeds positives - Sonny and Travis are top class with Cantwell dropping in to get moves started, it’s hard to think of a better blend that we’ve had. We defended as a 5 with Beck dropping in and attacked in a 424 and Dolan had his 1 in 5 good game, thank god!

The credit goes to the manager. We are now the best coached, and set up team in most matches. Based on what I’ve seen, if we had a remotely potent striker, we’d be a shoe in for the playoffs. 

The way we play that striker would have to be top class. One playing  up front against two is a arse kicking job if ever I saw one. I did a bit of that as a player and to give you Blairism, what you need is “ Service, Service, Service “ and whoever plays up front at the moment is going to struggle a bit. 

[AllRoverAsia]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

On another day that pass Pears gave to Gnonto ends up in the back of the net and we’d have been really up against it then. I still haven’t seen him make a save that was out of the ordinary.

As the commentator on CBS says Pears made a great block that should never have been needed.

On another day it's in the onion bag.

On the penalty no one is moaning too much about the preamble, and only because It was scored. If it had been missed by "anyone" a totally different story, and quite probably from Eustace too.

[onlyonejackwalker]

25 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

On another day that pass Pears gave to Gnonto ends up in the back of the net and we’d have been really up against it then. I still haven’t seen him make a save that was out of the ordinary.

It's the modern way. Goalkeepers never even attempted that pass for most of our lifetimes. You see goals every weekend from crazily playing it out from the back. Not sure what the answer is as constantly humping it long seems a tad pre-historic.

If we are to criticise players for a misplaced pass however then few would survive the first half of most matches. Maybe credit the decent reaction and recovery save? 

 

Edited December 1 by onlyonejackwalker

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

17 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

As the commentator on CBS says Pears made a great block that should never have been needed.

On another day it's in the onion bag.

On the penalty no one is moaning too much about the preamble, and only because It was scored. If it had been missed by "anyone" a totally different story, and quite probably from Eustace too.

Good to see three players wanted to take it though. I think Travis made the right call.  Cantwell has the job now. Looking at those highlights again his delivery of free kicks and corners is much better. He was regularly getting the ball in the danger areas.

On another point that chance Beck missed from the rebounding header looks worse. The classic case of a predominantly left footed player trying to make what should have been a right footed shot into a left foot shot. I like Beck a lot though, he’s aggressive at all times. He gave Gnonto a good quietener when he introduced him to the advertising boards.

Edited December 1 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

It's the modern way. Goalkeepers never even attempted that pass for most of our lifetimes. You see goals every weekend from crazily playing it out from the back. Not sure what the answer is as constantly humping it long seems a tad pre-historic.

If we are to criticise players for a misplaced pass however then few would survive the first half of most matches. Maybe credit the decent reaction and recovery save? 

 

That particular pass was never on though. 

[AllRoverAsia]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Good to see three players wanted to take it though. I think Travis made the right call.  Cantwell has the job now. Looking at those highlights again his delivery of free kicks and corners is much better. He was regularly getting the ball in the danger areas.

On another point that Beck missed form the rebounding header looks worse. The classic case of a predominantly left footed player trying to make what should have been a right footed shot into a left foot shot. I like Beck though, he’s aggressive at all times. He gave Gnonto a good quietener when he introduced him to the advertising boards.

Yes, Cantwell was cool and took a perfect spot kick, the sort that can't be saved.

I liked his Leeds tears 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 impression 

Edited December 1 by AllRoverAsia

[47er]

51 minutes ago, rigger said:

As the ball hit the back of the net, I wonder how many people thought : Well that looked amateurish ?

Well none I'd imagine. But I wasn't talking about the penalty itself was I? I was talking about the lead-up and it was quite clear that no-one had a clue who would be taking it and it was obvious that several players were jousting for it.

It was also obvious that Travis as captain made the decision on the spot.

If we'd missed it, it would have been a disaster.

I can't believe that Eustace, whom I've got great regard for, overlooked the need for it.

But I can believe you could start an argument with yourself in an empty room.

[onlyonejackwalker]

10 hours ago, bluebruce said:

That's a false equivalence. Away fans make far more noise than home fans do.

Our away support probably makes more total noise, not just per fan, than our home support.

Ok two points.

Firstly we lose millions each year. Therefore maximising turnover at all times, in all ways is not only basic common sense, but absolutely essential. 7000 away fans will be worth a quarter of a million pounds to the club. Plus another 50k to the wider community. Its not all profit, policing, stewards, ground safety, concourse staff, cleaning etc will erode a large chunk but when you are waxing 400k a week every little helps. We are not in a position to ignore this income stream.

Secondly, what is false is the belief that equates decent away results, to large away followings. Wrexham brought thousands last year and got turned over. Leeds yesterday. Most PL teams take up their allocations, but still get peppered 4-0 away regularly. United, Everton, Newcastle, massive clubs regularly beaten away irrespective of how many travel.

You might argue that Sheffield Wednesday beat us 3-1 at Ewood last year with a huge away following. Or PNE and Burnley with large followings. But they have also enjoyed decent home results against us.

Truth is, mental strength, belief, comraderie, professionalism, skill, ability and workmate are much more important in obtaining decent away results than how many pies the away fans eat. Our players will have respected the 600 at Boro and the 800 at Cardiff and all enjoyed their day out.

[rigger]

9 minutes ago, 47er said:

Well none I'd imagine. But I wasn't talking about the penalty itself was I? I was talking about the lead-up and it was quite clear that no-one had a clue who would be taking it and it was obvious that several players were jousting for it.

It was also obvious that Travis as captain made the decision on the spot.

If we'd missed it, it would have been a disaster.

I can't believe that Eustace, whom I've got great regard for, overlooked the need for it.

But I can believe you could start an argument with yourself in an empty room.

I would win that argument as well.

[onlyonejackwalker]

9 minutes ago, 47er said:

Well none I'd imagine. But I wasn't talking about the penalty itself was I? I was talking about the lead-up and it was quite clear that no-one had a clue who would be taking it and it was obvious that several players were jousting for it.

It was also obvious that Travis as captain made the decision on the spot.

If we'd missed it, it would have been a disaster.

I can't believe that Eustace, whom I've got great regard for, overlooked the need for it.

But I can believe you could start an argument with yourself in an empty room.

It will have been discussed. And there will have been two or three options depending on who is on the pitch at the time of the award.

I think Eustace simply downplayed the slight confusion. Meanwhile I think it was the perfect choice for a number of reasons and utimately credit to all for the way it was handled.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

There’s a case for letting the players decide on the spur of the moment. Especially if you haven’t got a regular penalty taker in the team. You go to whoever feels confident. Dolan obviously fancied it because at that time he was on the top of his form and had just won the pen. Ohashi wanted it because he’s a striker and wants to score goals. Cantwell obviously wanted it to open his account. Trav gave it to him because he’s experienced in high pressure situations and he’s possibly our best striker of a dead ball. 
 

On the subject of Ohashi, the lad is a better player than a lot of people give him credit for. It was his crisp, early ball out to Dolan that started the move for the pen. He was unlucky with the header. 2” lower and that would have gone in off the bar.

Edited December 1 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That particular pass was never on though. 

The one at Norwich was, Tronstad asked for the ball, lost it and apologised.

Pears still got the blame on here.

The fact we're talking about mistakes that didn't actually result in a goal, should in itself suggest he's having a good season.

[Dreams of 1995]

34 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There’s a case for letting the players decide on the spur of the moment. Especially if you haven’t got a regular penalty taker in the team. You go to whoever feels confident. Dolan obviously fancied it because at that time he was on the top of his form and had just won the pen. Ohashi wanted it because he’s a striker and wants to score goals. Cantwell obviously wanted it to open his account. Trav gave it to him because he’s experienced in high pressure situations and he’s possibly our best striker of a dead ball. 
 

On the subject of Ohashi, the lad is a better player than a lot of people give him credit for. It was his crisp, early ball out to Dolan that started the move for the pen. He was unlucky with the header. 2” lower and that would have gone in off the bar.

When Ohashi made that pass I said “that’s a serious pass” - it was weighted to perfection which made Dolans first touch easier

Our forward passing isn’t always so crisp but we played well in all areas of the pitch yesterday

I like Ohashi. He sets the tone for everybody else. His commitment to the team shines through. There was a moment yesterday when he chased the midfielder back to the half way line to win the ball back and get a free kick. That sort of attitude is contagious

Gueye on the other hand appears to be struggling to meet the demands of Eustace. It is unfortunate as I think there’s a player deep down in there but I have doubts he will make it at this level atm 

[tomphil]

25 minutes ago, M_B said:

The one at Norwich was, Tronstad asked for the ball, lost it and apologised.

Pears still got the blame on here.

The fact we're talking about mistakes that didn't actually result in a goal, should in itself suggest he's having a good season.

There are a few still waiting in the wings for Pears to throw one in the net, woe betide anyone who tried to keep faith in the lad a few months ago.

 

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

It's the modern way. Goalkeepers never even attempted that pass for most of our lifetimes. You see goals every weekend from crazily playing it out from the back. Not sure what the answer is as constantly humping it long seems a tad pre-historic.

If we are to criticise players for a misplaced pass however then few would survive the first half of most matches. Maybe credit the decent reaction and recovery save? 

 

I'm fine with playing that way as long as the players know when to just clear it / play it long.

That pass to Tronstad was never on, Pears should have hit it long.

[rovers11]

What a manager Eustace is, certainly the best one we've had in the championship. We've not been this well coached and organised for a long time. It was knife through butter at times under Mowbray and more often than not under JDT.

Cantwell aside, we don't have any genuine real attacking quality so Eustace has got his tactics spot on by trying to keep games tight and nicking a goal. To beat two of the best teams in this league in the same week, and deservedly so, is very impressive.

We're certainly not going down this season, no chance. We probably won't get top 6 either because there will be games where we go one down and then it almost feels like game over. 

If Eustace was backed with a striker and pacy winger in Jan then it could be a different story - that probably won't happen though. Gueye and Buckley should be moved on. The former is not good enough and the latter needs to be playing games at his age.