v Burnley (h) - 4/1/2025

[RevidgeBlue]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Simply not good enough and I am not pacified by effort, I am sick of seeing us fail to win (usually losing) to that lot, symptomatic of the Venkys era. It was a crap performance.

Gueye still seems to have some staunchly defending him, he is absolute shite. Nowhere near good enough. @Paul Mani bizarrely was claiming that he at least creates chances for himself, he doesnt, there were times in the first half in particular through ACD when we got down the sides and he shows no movement or desire to get himself into a position where he can potentially receive a cross. He needs shifting as soon as possible, he isnt good enough, he never will be and Gestede has dropped a howler bringing him in.

The whole attack is totally blunt, the 4 that started have 5 goals between them. Dolan did nothing and Cantwell again flatters to deceive. ACD is the one who does show fleeting bits of promise to make things happen but he tires very quickly.

The subs are a waste of time, Leonard isnt ready, Weimann is past it, Hedges scores 1 a season and Buckley like Gueye I would be happy to never see in our shirt again.

Defensively for the most part we were fine, Eustace has us well drilled but out attack is terrible. If Eustace isnt backed he will just leave. We cant sustain a play off push with this squad.

I don't think Gueye was anywhere near as bad as you say today but there's no point rehashing the well worn Gallagher/Gueye debate again here.

Regardless of how he did or didnt play he doesn't score enough and I agree with the rest of your post 100%.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

The only possible reason Eustace could go to WBA is if he is not backed this January...

OH ECCKK!😟

[Exiled_Rover]

7 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

There wasn't enough fight today. Our only chance was to get stuck in and ruffle a few feathers. There was none of that.

Burnley are not massively better than us but, in terms of quality, I would say every one of the their players are slightly better than every one of our players. They won all the individual battles all over the pitch and were in control for most of the match. 

We don't have anyone in our team that can control a match or make a difference against a decent team.

They brought a striker they bought for £11m off the bench. We brought a 21 year old Academy graduate with less than 30 Championship appearances off ours...

[Tom]

13 minutes ago, Bohinen1983 said:

I didn't think Gueye was THAT bad. Quite a handful, he needs people around him- did Leonard touch the ball?

Truth is he was ok, not great not terrible but it’s become a thing, some of us defend him to the point it’s OTT and some clearly are overly critical to the point it’s clearly OTT as well, today though to a neutral he’d be far from the first person to be called out for any criticism

Truth is he was barely a talking point either way today other than a question on the set up, he did his job winning the first ball but we didn’t have anyone within a decent distance to follow up 

Edited January 4 by Tom

[roverandout]

On a positive note great day out. Breakfast at the old mother redcap.  7.50 for all you can eat breakfast.  Bookies. Then a great atmosphere at the ground.  Made me realise how much I miss going. Once venkys fook off I'll be back in a heartbeat

[USABlue]

2 hours ago, miqaayil said:

i feel cantwell is becoming a liability rather than a creator .....gueye simply has no service ...

 

and why pears never comes for crosses ...he could have cut the goal out ... 

 

hope recruiting get some bodies in and not wait for fax machine failure 

Cantwell looked like he has had enough here.  Not a patch on his earlier form.  Fingers crossed he is still off from the afterneffects if his illness 

[Exiled_Rover]

4 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

zian flemming is on loan from millwall and certainly is`nt worth 20 million quid,if he was millwall would have cashed in and he would`nt be playing for burnley😀

They're obligated to buy him for £7m+ in the summer.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

We don't have anyone in our team that can control a match or make a difference against a decent team.

Travis to an extent in terms of keeping us in a game if not the moments of individual brilliance.

I thought Cantwell was going to be the player you mention above.

Sadly not.

[Trinidad Rover]

30 minutes ago, superniko said:

5 of our next 6 are against 14th or lower. Should make or break our season - just unfortunately it usually breaks in Jan/Feb

Yet nobody brought in before we play them. We never learn. Either that or Venkys just say no.

[Blue blood]

27 minutes ago, superniko said:

5 of our next 6 are against 14th or lower. Should make or break our season - just unfortunately it usually breaks in Jan/Feb

Problem.is the most winnable games are the ones we struggle with. 

No surprise that a tired squad of late has got good results vs Leeds and Sunderland but fluffed easier games vs Hull and Millwall. Think we are one of the few teams to lose to Plymouth too. 

Disappointed to lose to that lot again. Their team seems a lot weaker than previous years, but then so do ours. Feel like if we had spent even a semi respectablr proportion of our income on the team we'd have smashed them. 

[Forever Blue]

9 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

zian flemming is on loan from millwall and certainly is`nt worth 20 million quid,if he was millwall would have cashed in and he would`nt be playing for burnley😀

I was thinking of Gykores or whatever the ex Cov has player is called. He went fir about £20m

Burnley have a few agreed for Flemming of £7m. So the point still stands. He’s better than anything we’ve got

Edited January 4 by Forever Blue

[Torgeir]

I was hoping we would rise to the occasion and try and dictate the game more at our own turf. All our players work their socks off to keep the team-shape and it was obvious that that's where Gueye struggles - hence why Cantwell did the pressing down the middle and decided when we started it. 

We just can't stand a high line at the moment with no pace but hope Carter is back soon at least. Ideally would like another CB as quick, or quicker, than him for next season. Under JDT we had players roaming around the whole pitch, leaving us in big trouble at the back. But it was also free-flowing and difficult to defend against, and a joy to watch at times. I think we need longer stints in matches where we try and score goals rather than avoid conceding at all cost.

[Silas]

12 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Nothing irritates me more when fans stand up all the through the game. I had to ask the lad in front of me twice to sit down because he was blocking my view. His mates stood up all through the match 

Think it comes down to areas.

We were stood up the whole match in jw lower, but the section next door was sat down.

Understand the frustration but if the majority are stood up 🤷🏻‍♂️....if it's the minority then fair play, annoying. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Torgeir said:

I was hoping we would rise to the occasion and try and dictate the game more at our own turf. All our players work their socks off to keep the team-shape and it was obvious that that's where Gueye struggles - hence why Cantwell did the pressing down the middle and decided when we started it. 

We just can't stand a high line at the moment with no pace but hope Carter is back soon at least. Ideally would like another CB as quick, or quicker, than him for next season. Under JDT we had players roaming around the whole pitch, leaving us in big trouble at the back. But it was also free-flowing and difficult to defend against, and a joy to watch at times. I think we need longer stints in matches where we try and score goals rather than avoid conceding at all cost.

We are set up at the moment to get the best out of the limited squad we have. It’s as simple as that.

[roverandout]

Just now, Silas said:

Think it comes down to areas.

We were stood up the whole match in jw lower, but the section next door was sat down.

Understand the frustration but if the majority are stood up 🤷🏻‍♂️....if it's the minority then fair play, annoying. 

Just a handful of ignoramuses

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

I was hoping we would rise to the occasion and try and dictate the game more at our own turf. All our players work their socks off to keep the team-shape and it was obvious that that's where Gueye struggles - hence why Cantwell did the pressing down the middle and decided when we started it. 

We just can't stand a high line at the moment with no pace but hope Carter is back soon at least. Ideally would like another CB as quick, or quicker, than him for next season. Under JDT we had players roaming around the whole pitch, leaving us in big trouble at the back. But it was also free-flowing and difficult to defend against, and a joy to watch at times. I think we need longer stints in matches where we try and score goals rather than avoid conceding at all cost.

Personally I don't think it's anything to do with not having quick CBs (they're not slow either) it's that teams just push up on us because they know we can't hurt them over the top.

It's very difficult to dictate play like that without an Adam Wharton type player in midfield who can a) turn the man pressing him and carry the ball into attack and b) has an incredible range of passing. 

[Torgeir]

5 minutes ago, USABlue said:

Cantwell looked like he has had enough here.  Not a patch on his earlier form.  Fingers crossed he is still off from the afterneffects if his illness 

Doing a lot of tracking back and pressing, and our team is so far back when he receives the ball that there aren't many options going forward. But of course he has had a lot of misplaced passes, poor finishing and decision-making as well. It's fine margins. Burnley created one chance that they scored from, whereas we had none up until that point. Only a lot of wasted corner kicks.

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, Tom said:

Truth is he was ok, not great not terrible but it’s become a thing, some of us defend him to the point it’s OTT and some clearly are overly critical to the point it’s clearly OTT as well, today though to a neutral he’d be far from the first person to be called out for any criticism

Truth is he was barely a talking point either way today other than a question on the set up, he did his job winning the first ball but we didn’t have anyone within a decent distance to follow up 

He never looks like scoring. Its going to be mid January minimum before he even potentially can get to 2 league goals. He offers no goal threat, when attacking players get the ball for example out wide he shows no movement to get into goalscoring positions.

A neutral wouldnt see that he has offered no threat to goal all season and thats not acceptable for a striker. Hes stealing a living at this level and people are clinging onto little glimpses of hold up play as if he isnt a big problem. He needs shifting.

[aletheia]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Just a handful of ignoramuses

Sadly plenty of them now in the JW.

[Torgeir]

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Personally I don't think it's anything to do with not having quick CBs (they're not slow either) it's that teams just push up on us because they know we can't hurt them over the top.

It's very difficult to dictate play like that without an Adam Wharton type player in midfield who can a) turn the man pressing him and carry the ball into attack and b) has an incredible range of passing. 

It's both. Our CB's are definitely slow and slow on the turn, but you make a really good point that I missed in my previous post(s). We're crying out for some pace out wide.

[bigbrandjohn]

13 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

We’re a ‘fine margins’ team. We tend to lose and win by a single goal. I doubt that will change much. 
 

They scored with their only real chance today, a good header by a £20m striker. Apart from that they had nothing special to offer, and we contained them with ease.  
 

Eustace called new additions ‘vital’ in his pre match interview. We all know it. Hopefully the fuckwits in charge of the money do too. 
 

 

I agree.  A big breakfast and a gallon of coffee and I feel more composed. 

We are a margins team. They have a supposedly premier league squad and parachute money. 

We didnt get battered 3-0. That ugly re signing didnt come on and break our hearts. One breakaway goal was the difference. 

We do need a proven goal scorer. Ironically we have two at Southampton and they lost 5-0 at home. 

I dont feel great but I have felt worse. 

Oh and we are justboutside the play off positions with a game in hand with a slim squad  I would have taken that in August  

 

[Torgeir]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He never looks like scoring. Its going to be mid January minimum before he even potentially can get to 2 league goals. He offers no goal threat, when attacking players get the ball for example out wide he shows no movement to get into goalscoring positions.

A neutral wouldnt see that he has offered no threat to goal all season and thats not acceptable for a striker. Hes stealing a living at this level and people are clinging onto little glimpses of hold up play as if he isnt a big problem. He needs shifting.

Gallagher or Gueye?

[DuffsLeftPeg]

Why is everyone wading in on Cantwell? The lad has had a virus in the last week and did well to even make the game.

Burnley’s shithouse tactics and constant fouling made it hard for him and Dolan to gain any kind of traction going forward.

We lost the game and that hurts but it wasn’t a bad performance. It was a 0-0 game, we had more shots and they won with the only clear cut chance of the game.

If Venky’s and Steve Maggott put their hand in their pocket, rather than being content with Championship mediocrity & treading water, we would be really competitive in this league with the current manager. Unfortunately the Wharton & Szmodics money has disappeared into the ether. But it’s been that way for well over a decade and unlikely to change any time soon. 

[Tom]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He never looks like scoring. Its going to be mid January minimum before he even potentially can get to 2 league goals. He offers no goal threat, when attacking players get the ball for example out wide he shows no movement to get into goalscoring positions.

A neutral wouldnt see that he has offered no threat to goal all season and thats not acceptable for a striker. Hes stealing a living at this level and people are clinging onto little glimpses of hold up play as if he isnt a big problem. He needs shifting.

Honestly - you (nor I granted) have no credibility left on this subject now, he’s literally the first player you mention for criticism but today wasn’t the issue

[roversfan99]

Just now, Torgeir said:

Gallagher or Gueye?

Gueye.

Gallagher (when fit) wasnt a natural goalscorer either. He had no instinct to get into dangerous areas. Yet when fit, even he got 8 or 9 a season.

I cant get my head around how Gestede researched him and thought, yep he fits into this team and has enough quality.