v Hull City (h) - 29/12/2024

[DE.]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

The rumours are that Cantwell will be on a much higher wage than Sigurdsson and indeed the rest of the squad though so to be honest  I don't think we can afford  to carry him whether or not the fee for him appeared relatively cheap.

He was meant to be our talisman not a passenger.

It's a nice idea but he would need much better players around him to be a proper talisman. Even if he was setting up chance after chance we have nobody reliable to convert them, and he's not a Dack-type player who chips in with a lot of goals. According to wikipedia he scored 13 in 120 apps at Norwich, and that was at the peak of his career. Scored a decent amount for Rangers, but look at the opposition. Nowhere near even Championship level most weeks. 

Cantwell as talisman is a worthwhile idea if the club is going to invest in decent attacking options to surround him. A pointless endeavour if not, and it appears the latter is going to be the case.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

The rumours are that Cantwell will be on a much higher wage than Sigurdsson and indeed the rest of the squad though so to be honest  I don't think we can afford  to carry him whether or not the fee for him appeared relatively cheap.

He was meant to be our talisman not a passenger.

Tronstad carries the team. He leads his men into battle, just like Travis.

Cantwell is more your flamboyant swordsman, dancing around the edges of the battle, occasionally slicing through an opponent with a flash of brilliance.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, DE. said:

It's a nice idea but he would need much better players around him to be a proper talisman. Even if he was setting up chance after chance we have nobody reliable to convert them, and he's not a Dack-type player who chips in with a lot of goals. According to wikipedia he scored 13 in 120 apps at Norwich, and that was at the peak of his career. Scored a decent amount for Rangers, but look at the opposition. Nowhere near even Championship level most weeks. 

Cantwell as talisman is a worthwhile idea if the club is going to invest in decent attacking options to surround him. A pointless endeavour if not, and it appears the latter is going to be the case.

I don't agree really.

That's just exonerating poor performances from Cantwell.

If he WAS creating chance after chance and there was no-one there to convert them, then it wouldnt be ideal but at least we'd be half way there. We haven't even got that from him.

Anyone could look good with a stellar cast around them.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Tronstad carries the team. He leads his men into battle, just like Travis.

He doesn't, Travis does as we've seen in the last couple of games.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He doesn't, Travis does as we've seen in the last couple of games.

Travis has been injured.

[DE.]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

I don't agree really.

That's just exonerating poor performances from Cantwell.

If he WAS creating chance after chance and there was no-one there to convert them, then it wouldnt be ideal but at least we'd be half way there. We haven't even got that from him.

Anyone could look good with a stellar cast around them.

There's a difference between a stellar cast and what we have. Do you consider Hedges, Dolan, Gueye, Ohashi, Weimann, Siggy and Buckley even an adequate supporting cast, let alone stellar? Most are occasionally useful at best. Cantwell isn't good enough to shine amongst what we have. If he was then he wouldn't be here in the first place. 

If you want to have higher expectations of him then okay, but I think you'll end up disappointed. As far as his wage is concerned, that would be something to take up with the recruitment department. From my perspective it's a flawed strategy to pay Cantwell to be our talisman when he doesn't have the level of ability to regularly rise above being surrounded by mediocre players. 

[davulsukur]

 

Wasn't really an overreaction, we've been here before.

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Travis has been injured.

Exactly.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, DE. said:

From my perspective it's a flawed strategy to pay Cantwell to be our talisman when he doesn't have the level of ability to regularly rise above being surrounded by mediocre players. 

OK fair enough, it's looking like you may be right in that respect.

I might have been mistaken in wrongly assuming Cantwell is a lot better than he actually is. When I watch him though I don't see a player lacking in ability, more a player who rarely gets out of first or second gear.

 

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, davulsukur said:

 

Wasn't really an overreaction, we've been here before.

That’s just classic Jackson. He’s just spewing out knee-jerk opinion pieces, mostly gleaned from this forum. If Beck or Cantwell had taken their chances he would have been writing a different story about how resilient we are and how quickly we’ve bounced back from the disappointment of losing a lead against Sunderland. That’s how journo’s work.

He’s just stating the obvious anyway. We all know we need reinforcements. Our ‘big money’ summer striker signing has been a huge flop so we need another. We didn’t get the two wingers we needed in the summer so we still need another. It’s common knowledge the manager wants those positions filled as a priority. 
 

The point being the transfer window hasn’t even opened yet and the excitable sorts have already written off the season. That’s just silly. Nobody thought in summer we’d sign Cantwell, a Japanese lad, or a big striker from Belgium, but we did.

Let’s see how January pans out both on and off the pitch before we commit collective hara-kiri.

[Wheelton Blue]

I don't think Cantwell is lacking in effort.

Rather, he looks to me as if he's out of form for whatever reasons. As an example, he snatched at that shot against Hull. In form, I'd back someone of his ability to bag that every time.

I've certainly not written him off yet.

[Crimpshrine]

59 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Let’s see how January pans out both on and off the pitch before we commit collective hara-kiri.

Let's see if this January pans out to be exactly like all the previous Venky Januarys. I hope this one is different but based on the evidence, it's unlikely. 

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

That’s just classic Jackson. He’s just spewing out knee-jerk opinion pieces, mostly gleaned from this forum. If Beck or Cantwell had taken their chances he would have been writing a different story about how resilient we are and how quickly we’ve bounced back from the disappointment of losing a lead against Sunderland. That’s how journo’s work.

He’s just stating the obvious anyway. We all know we need reinforcements. Our ‘big money’ summer striker signing has been a huge flop so we need another. We didn’t get the two wingers we needed in the summer so we still need another. It’s common knowledge the manager wants those positions filled as a priority. 
 

The point being the transfer window hasn’t even opened yet and the excitable sorts have already written off the season. That’s just silly. Nobody thought in summer we’d sign Cantwell, a Japanese lad, or a big striker from Belgium, but we did.

Let’s see how January pans out both on and off the pitch before we commit collective hara-kiri.

They haven’t though, have they?

What was it you were saying about the moral high ground earlier? Can’t have it both ways! 😅.
I honestly don’t understand what the problem is with Jackson has written.

People are allowed to have concerns with Venky’s as our owners especially.

Let’s not forget how much money we’ve brought in, in transfer fees, there’s absolutely no excuse for us to not have a a real go at promotion in January with some signings. Certainly no financial excuse anyhow. 

[Forever Blue]

16 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

They haven’t though, have they?

What was it you were saying about the moral high ground earlier? Can’t have it both ways! 😅.
I honestly don’t understand what the problem is with Jackson has written.

People are allowed to have concerns with Venky’s as our owners especially.

Let’s not forget how much money we’ve brought in, in transfer fees, there’s absolutely no excuse for us to not have a a real go at promotion in January with some signings. Certainly no financial excuse anyhow. 

They literally have. I gave you the examples yesterday. You’re still getting weirdly defensive about a throwaway comment on here after a match. There was not meltdown or disharmony on the board as you feared. Maybe you overreacted?🤷‍♂️
 

And your moral high comment makes no sense. 🤣

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

 Let’s not forget how much money we’ve brought in, in transfer fees, there’s absolutely no excuse for us to not have a a real go at promotion in January with some signings. Certainly no financial excuse anyhow. 

Yes, according to the Club's version of events the Court proceedings have no effect on the day to day running of the Club and of course we've made all those sales previously.

According to the FF minutes Waggott requested money from the owners for January and Eustace has subsequently said in an LT interview there is some money to spend.

What could possibly go wrong?

(I'm being facetious before everyone piles in)

[K-Hod]

7 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

They literally have. I gave you the examples yesterday. You’re still getting weirdly defensive about a throwaway comment on here after a match. There was not meltdown or disharmony on the board as you feared. Maybe you overreacted?🤷‍♂️
 

And your moral high comment makes no sense. 🤣

Just because it’s a provocative comment in the face of a defeat. ‘Everyone calm down, we only lost to the second bottom placed team in the league at home’.

The moral high ground comment was in fact you from earlier today, regarding what Matty said about people supporting their local team. Surely you can remember?

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

That’s just classic Jackson. He’s just spewing out knee-jerk opinion pieces, mostly gleaned from this forum. If Beck or Cantwell had taken their chances he would have been writing a different story about how resilient we are and how quickly we’ve bounced back from the disappointment of losing a lead against Sunderland. That’s how journo’s work.

He’s just stating the obvious anyway. We all know we need reinforcements. Our ‘big money’ summer striker signing has been a huge flop so we need another. We didn’t get the two wingers we needed in the summer so we still need another. It’s common knowledge the manager wants those positions filled as a priority. 
 

The point being the transfer window hasn’t even opened yet and the excitable sorts have already written off the season. That’s just silly. Nobody thought in summer we’d sign Cantwell, a Japanese lad, or a big striker from Belgium, but we did.

Let’s see how January pans out both on and off the pitch before we commit collective hara-kiri.

Of course that's what journos do. Jacksons opinion is irrelevant really but the point still stands, we've been here before and most people could see the writing on the wall after the game yesterday. It's not a guarantee by any means but we all know Venkys are highly unlikely to sanction any transfers in January, I'm sure Gestede is already on record as saying it will be loans only in January.

No ones committing hara-kiri, it's just a collective sigh that we know what's most likely to happen.

Let's see what happens in January but I'm not holding my breath that the required reinforcements will be arriving.

[Herbie6590]

Your BRFCS POTM is ACD…⚪️🔵

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Your BRFCS POTM is ACD…⚪️🔵

His reward will probably be being dropped for the Leeds game and maybe the Dingles.

[Forever Blue]

28 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Just because it’s a provocative comment in the face of a defeat. ‘Everyone calm down, we only lost to the second bottom placed team in the league at home’.

The moral high ground comment was in fact you from earlier today, regarding what Matty said about people supporting their local team. Surely you can remember?

Of course I remember the comment, my struggle is with the comparison. I’m not sure where the equivalence is? 

My comment wasn’t intended to be provocative. It was just an observation. Someone called me a ‘clapper’ in response. Is that provocative? I notice you didn’t intervene that time. 

[Forever Blue]

34 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Of course that's what journos do. Jacksons opinion is irrelevant really but the point still stands, we've been here before and most people could see the writing on the wall after the game yesterday. It's not a guarantee by any means but we all know Venkys are highly unlikely to sanction any transfers in January, I'm sure Gestede is already on record as saying it will be loans only in January.

No ones committing hara-kiri, it's just a collective sigh that we know what's most likely to happen.

Let's see what happens in January but I'm not holding my breath that the required reinforcements will be arriving.

What ‘writing in the wall’ can be deduced from yesterday? Genuinely curious what you mean. 

Has he said it’s loans only? If he’s not then maybe your pessimism is misplaced. All I’ve read is that our glorious CEO has said we’ll be active in Jan and that Jackson has said we want a striker and LW at least. 

[neophox]

This was a shocking performance. Eustace playing Buckley was madness. Everyone can see Buckley's doing nothing. And again a shocking Dolan performance. The guy is not a goal scorer. When we can't beat bottom placed Hulk can't see how to get a result at Leeds and home to bastards.

[Exiled_Rover]

30 minutes ago, neophox said:

This was a shocking performance. Eustace playing Buckley was madness. Everyone can see Buckley's doing nothing. And again a shocking Dolan performance. The guy is not a goal scorer. When we can't beat bottom placed Hulk can't see how to get a result at Leeds and home to bastards.

It was a fine performance - a good one if we take our chances. 

He literally doesn't have anyone else to play in CM than Buckley (and JRC). That's on the recruitment team, not the manager. He wanted to rest Baker / Tronstad as we're playing a ridiculous amount of games at the moment. 

[DE.]

6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

OK fair enough, it's looking like you may be right in that respect.

I might have been mistaken in wrongly assuming Cantwell is a lot better than he actually is. When I watch him though I don't see a player lacking in ability, more a player who rarely gets out of first or second gear.

 

Cantwell has talent for sure - enough to at times be a standout player in this division. I just don't think he has the consistency in his game to regularly bring that talent to the forefront and really drive the rest of the team. It's early days yet and I hope he proves me wrong, but I haven't seen that from him yet. Just occasional flashes of excellence which lets you know there is a real player there, but the fact it isn't consistent is why he's here rather than plying his trade in the league above.

I do think having a sub-par group of attacking players surrounding him does hamper his chances of regaining that level of consistency from his earlier days though. You're right to say it isn't enough of an excuse on its own, but I think it's a factor in why we only see glimpses of what he's capable of at the moment.

[47er]

8 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

classic Jackson.

 

8 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

the excitable sorts have already written off the season. That’s just silly. Nobody thought in summer we’d sign Cantwell, a Japanese lad, or a big striker 

Its a provocative post setting ourself up as the sensible middling arbiter of what we should think---that's where the "moral high ground" comment fits.

I assume you see yourself as "the calm sort"----not really relevant to being a football supporter is it? Following your club is an act of passion.

Whether its "classic Jackson" or not is irrelevant to me---he's right isn't he? As you seem to agree later in your post.

We did sign the three you mention but none of them have set the world alight have they? Its not an achievement just to sign 3 players, wherever they come from. Its whether they are good enough that matters.

After the long series of transfer window flops we are entitled to be worried that another will see our promotion hopes shattered after Christmas---again.

Edited December 30, 2024 by 47er