v Leeds Utd (a) - 1/1/2025

[47er]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You’ll win nothing without it.

As in Manu!

[roversfan99]

We had Gallagher for years and all agreed that he wasnt good enough to be the regular starter for a play off chasing side because he didnt score enough goals. But now have someone who is even worse.

We are in January, Gueye has scored one solitary goal. He is a striker and our main one in terms of cost and he cannot kick a ball towards goal properly, his shooting is as bad as I can remember from any striker. Roll a ball 6 yards from goal to him and he misses the ball. Look at his shot against Hull as an example of his technique, its like hes never kicked a ball before.

Yet he is being lauded as a massive improvement by some. We are a team clinging onto the coat tails of the top 6 purely through organisation and grit, im spite of our misfiring attack and he is the main signing we made to remedy that and doesnt offer a goal threat.

Yes he seems a likeable character so I get that, and he can cause nuisance factor purely by chucking the ball in the air if we need a goal and hoping for scraps. Hardly something to praise.

Goal contributions is clearly a symptom of a generation where people are so obsessed with data. Him winning a header 30 yards out or playing a 5 yard pass is not on par with him scoring goals.

[Nic81]

Gally also has a lot longer in the Championship. Mak has only just joined. I’m not saying he will suddenly start banging them in from all over the place, but I would be surprised if he didn’t match Gally’s goals with time. 
 

On the team setup - it would be nice to have that defensive solidity and a real attacking threat but unfortunately we don’t have the players for that at the moment. ACD brings something a little different but leaves us more exposed. Hopefully whoever we bring in for wide left, will have the work rate of a Dolan but with pace and more end product! 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

And yet again you leap staunchly to Gallagher's defence.

No point keep saying "when fit" about him when he rarely is. His last season and a half in the Championship have produced four goals which is Gueye level anyway and in his final season here his all round performances tailed off from being poor in the first place to not contributing anything and never even looking likely to score.

Gallagher is Gueye without the nuisance factor. I don't think anyone is saying Gueye is currently good enough to start if we want to achieve any measure of success though.

You keep saying that about Gallagher, when I keep saying that he is below average when fit and the fact that he is now turning into a walking injury makes him no use to anyone. And I was happy to see him go.

You said your main issue about Gallagher was that he didnt score enough goals which was fair. But your dislike of him clearly grew so strong that you are doing mental gymnastics to avoid the question of why you dont seem to think Gueye is even worse when you consider that he has 1 solitary goal. He never looks like scoring, he has missed 2 chances from a combined total of less than 10 yards.

Gallagher might be Gueye without the nuisance factor when Gueye starts scoring 8 or 9 a season which Gallagher did for us in MOST seasons he was here.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Gallagher might be Gueye without the nuisance factor when Gueye starts scoring 8 or 9 a season which Gallagher did for us in MOST seasons he was here.

If a player started off poorly for the Club, then improved dramatically and had a really good couple of seasons, would you judge him on his start?

No. Yet that's what you're doing in reverse with Gallagher. And he was anything ranging from rubbish to average at best to begin with depending on your personal preference.

[roversfan99]

58 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If a player started off poorly for the Club, then improved dramatically and had a really good couple of seasons, would you judge him on his start?

No. Yet that's what you're doing in reverse with Gallagher. And he was anything ranging from rubbish to average at best to begin with depending on your personal preference.

If he dramatically improves and has a really good couple of seasons then I will happily praise Gueye for being a good striker who scores goals. So far he hasnt been which is what I am basing my opinions on.

[Bbrovers2288]

I don’t see gueye scoring anything other than scraps and headers. For a striker he has no ability to strike the ball well nor pass it into the net, ultimaltely becoming a sclaff. He isn’t good enough but can create stuff for others 

[arbitro]

Two words for the bitter Leeds fans who are critical of us - Howard Wilkinson.

And I can't look at Gnonto without thinking of Arnold from Different Strokes.

 

[joey_big_nose]

Gueye for me already offers more than Gallagher. His finishing is hopeless but his link up play and quality in the air is pretty good. Dont think Gally got anywhere near Gueyes level of assists.

Gueye causes defences problems whereas Gallagher just didnt really. Sam is real conundrum - a big lad who hates playing back to goal, is rubbish in the air, and much prefers to be wide running with the ball at feet despite not really being able to dribble or cross. Couldnt fault him for effort but he is a fish riding a bike.

Gueye stays central, gets his head on things, causes issues with his size and strength. So while similarly goal shy he at least is trying to fit the job description of a target man with some decent results 

[wilsdenrover]

14 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Two words for the bitter Leeds fans who are critical of us - Howard Wilkinson.

And I can't look at Gnonto without thinking of Arnold from Different Strokes.

 

The belief there’s only one way to play football is one of the (many) problems with the modern game.

This includes the suggestion that a team setting up for a draw is some sort of sin.

[rigger]

40 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

I don’t see gueye scoring anything other than scraps and headers. For a striker he has no ability to strike the ball well nor pass it into the net, ultimaltely becoming a sclaff. He isn’t good enough but can create stuff for others 

OK what is a sclaff ?

[Mattyblue]

They were a team bouncing around the second and third tiers playing in front of a load of empty seats (in one of the country’s biggest cities) until Bielsa turned up, so they can get off their high horse.

[arbitro]

31 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

The belief there’s only one way to play football is one of the (many) problems with the modern game.

This includes the suggestion that a team setting up for a draw is some sort of sin.

I get a feeling that the tide might just be turning albeit slowly. 

[Paul Mani]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

He has scored 1 goal and we are in January. Gallagher when fit scored 8 or 9 a season. His problem is not just that he is "ungainly," he is absolutely terrible in front of goal. 

He may have a use if you need a goal and chuck him on and pick up the scraps around him like yesterday. He started v Hull and was terrible though.

If Gueye started as many games and played as many minutes as Gally did, he would out perform him in terms of goal involvements (Goals and Assists). The only reason Gueye misses so many is because he’s there to miss them! I’m not saying he’s a world beater but he’s clearly more dangerous than Gally. I remember watching SG play 5 games straight up top and not get a single half chance in a team with BBD, Szmodics etc behind him.

I’d love to run a poll across our fan base to see if anyone would swap them back. Be a landslide.

[wilsdenrover]

10 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I get a feeling that the tide might just be turning albeit slowly. 

Hopefully! 

[Wheelton Blue]

26 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I get a feeling that the tide might just be turning albeit slowly. 

As a spectator, for me there's nothing more exciting that seeing tackles flying in, crosses coming in from the wings, goalmouth scrambles, and shots in the box.

All aspects which seem to have been lost in the 'modern' game.

Edited January 2 by Wheelton Blue

[Mattyblue]

… shots out the box are frowned upon too, you know, ‘The Data says’.

[arbitro]

11 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

As a spectator, for me there's nothing more exciting that seeing tackles flying in, crosses coming in from the wings, goalmouth scrambles, and shots in the box.

All aspects which seem to have been lost in the 'modern' game.

Me too. I'm guessing we are both from a similar generation and grew up watching games with lots of excitement. Far too games (particularly Premier League) I watch are too sterile and sanitised. 

Maybe we are dinosaurs 😂😂

[Wheelton Blue]

5 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Me too. I'm guessing we are both from a similar generation and grew up watching games with lots of excitement. Far too games (particularly Premier League) I watch are too sterile and sanitised. 

Maybe we are dinosaurs 😂😂

Give me old Broth 'Ed and Windy Miller any day over Pep Ball 🤣

[superniko]

21 hours ago, superniko said:

Might have to change my avatar to Eustace giving it to the Leeds fans. COYB

Couldn’t find the exact clip I saw of him goading the Leeds fans in added time but this new one will do for now!

 

Edited January 2 by superniko

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Give me old Broth 'Ed and Windy Miller any day over Pep Ball 🤣

Bailey and Hird bombing on with Taylor and Wagstaffe ahead of them. They were part of the team that played the most exciting football I have seen from a Rovers team.

[oldjamfan1]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

OK what is a sclaff ?

I think this is a Scots term. It basically means ‘scuffed effort’

[jim mk2]

34 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

As a spectator, for me there's nothing more exciting that seeing tackles flying in, crosses coming in from the wings, goalmouth scrambles, and shots in the box.

All aspects which seem to have been lost in the 'modern' game.

 

........ but, but, but , aren't we all supposed to be in thrall to these modern "inverted wingers"? 

I too regret the passing of the traditional way of playing and there's still no denying that defenders hate nothing more than a driven cross behind the defence from the near the bye-line, meat and drink to the likes of Shearer and Sutton.

Which manager would be brave enough to go back to that way of playing, though I admit it would be difficult given the paucity of traditional wingers in the game

  

[roversfan99]

55 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

If Gueye started as many games and played as many minutes as Gally did, he would out perform him in terms of goal involvements (Goals and Assists). The only reason Gueye misses so many is because he’s there to miss them! I’m not saying he’s a world beater but he’s clearly more dangerous than Gally. I remember watching SG play 5 games straight up top and not get a single half chance in a team with BBD, Szmodics etc behind him.

I’d love to run a poll across our fan base to see if anyone would swap them back. Be a landslide.

Gallagher got 8 or 9 goals 3 seasons running. Below average but still well above how many Gueye is in line to get IF he continues as we have seen so far.

Its this "goal involvements" nonsense where headers 30 yards out from goal and 5 yard passes are being treated on par with actually scoring goals. 

Gueye has missed only 2 sitters that I can remember, he doesnt regularly get into good positions. Both times, he embarassed himself.

You were hyping up Gueye beyond belief (Buckley £10m levels) after 45 goalless minutes in a friendly at Stockport.

If Gallagher is the benchmark and people are having to chuck in "assists" including headers miles out and 5 yard passes to put Gueye past Gallagher, and he is our main striker signing from the summer, somethings gone wrong. He is the worst finisher and technical striker of a ball that I can remember.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Me too. I'm guessing we are both from a similar generation and grew up watching games with lots of excitement. Far too games (particularly Premier League) I watch are too sterile and sanitised. 

Maybe we are dinosaurs 😂😂

If you’d have seen the Ferguson, McEvoy, Pickering, Douglas, Harrison line up you’d have been wetting your pants. They were hammering the best teams in the land. McEvoy got 4 goals in a game twice and 2 hat tricks, Pickering got 3 hat tricks. All in one season. 62 goals between them and Pickering was sold in the March of that season. Even Mike Harrison on the wing got 14 league goals. Strikers don’t get that now. 42 games plus a handful in the cups then. They were a goal scoring machine. I’ll die happy having seen them in their prime.

When did a Rovers player last score a hat trick ? 

Edited January 2 by Tyrone Shoelaces