v Leeds Utd (a) - 1/1/2025

[lraC]

4 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

can you imagine the carnage if he scores a hat trick😂

If he ever scores a hat trick for us, the wife will need to go and buy some new furniture. 

[Paul Mani]

Gueye is a lot better than Gallagher, because he actually affects the game. His problem is that he’s really ungainly. He doesn’t ‘look’ like a footballer so it’s easy to allow yourself to criticise him.

Interesting - He has more goal involvements (Goals and Assists) than Cantwell, Yuki or Dolan this season, having played a fraction of the minutes they have. When he plays, stuff usually happens. It’s not always pretty or good…but he changes the dynamic and EFFECTS most games. He’s not a top class striker, and his history tells us he’s not prolific. He’s a big lump and he’s a handful.

Gallagher started 90% of the matches when he was fit and generally stunk the place out with ineffective performances. Week after week of nothingness, never being n a position to miss a sitter…that won’t happen with Gueye. He keeps himself in the game, good or bad. I’ll take that all day and I’m glad he’s set to start vs the Dingles. Of the forwards we have, he’s the one they will least want to face.

 

[bluebruce]

Worth noting, Leeds have won 8 of their last 11 games, drawing 2 and losing 1.

We are two of those games they've dropped points, including the defeat.

All season they've dropped 23 points, and 5 of them were against us. We're more than a fifth of their dropped points all season.

[yellowsubmarine]

The ref didnt give the penalty immediately, i'm pretty sure it was only when Gnoto put his arms on the ref's shoulders then he blew the whistle. 

9 hours ago, Ossydave said:

Leeds have a terrific home record, partly because refs are constantly influenced by the fans, the amount of time they whinged and moaned today was embarrassing. Then they had the cheek to sing he's not fit to referee, after giving them practically every decision all game 🙄 

 

[Old Codger]

Keepers generally improve with age and experience into their late 20s and across their 30s, as their ability to read the whole game from the back increases over time and number of games completed. Where there are major flaws in their game, these can generally be coached out, assuming they are spotted and worked on. I think this is what we are seeing with Pears, whose stock will increase as his game gets better over time. Of course there are some attributes, and potentially significant ones that are sometimes fundamentally negative (e.g. height, reflexes, visual acuity) that remain as constraints on the level of development that is possible, But if you think of where Pears has come from, to where he is this season, it is clear that he has improved, has more confidence and, crucially, has the confidence of the players in front of him, The stats tell the story, and JE appears to be enough of a man-manager to be capable of making the decision to replace players for the good of his team, and he has stuck with Pears thus far.

In JE we trust; In Pears' hands we hold our hopes. In Rovers we believe.

COYB!

[Upside Down]

53 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

Keepers generally improve with age and experience into their late 20s and across their 30s, as their ability to read the whole game from the back increases over time and number of games completed. Where there are major flaws in their game, these can generally be coached out, assuming they are spotted and worked on. I think this is what we are seeing with Pears, whose stock will increase as his game gets better over time. Of course there are some attributes, and potentially significant ones that are sometimes fundamentally negative (e.g. height, reflexes, visual acuity) that remain as constraints on the level of development that is possible, But if you think of where Pears has come from, to where he is this season, it is clear that he has improved, has more confidence and, crucially, has the confidence of the players in front of him, The stats tell the story, and JE appears to be enough of a man-manager to be capable of making the decision to replace players for the good of his team, and he has stuck with Pears thus far.

In JE we trust; In Pears' hands we hold our hopes. In Rovers we believe.

COYB!

The biggest thing that has improved his game this season is that the defence is solid.

He hasn't had much to do in most games. He's good reflexes and a good shot stopper but his decision making is where it all turns to custard.

[davulsukur]

6 hours ago, Neal said:

 

This. 

 

Some very salty Leeds fans saying how negative we were...

 

Everyone seems to have been poisoned by the Guardiola total football bollocks and can no longer appreciate a well drilled, hard working team who grinds out points. Working class folk from towns like ours should appreciate displays like we put in more than anyone. 

 

For a club like ours, the owners, the budget we have... You can shove your Daniel Farke's and your Russell Martins... I'd take big John Eustace every time.

Reminded me of Arsenal fans when we had Hughes in charge. They would come to Ewood and have the hell kicked out of them and then be crying all the way home how we didn't play football "in the right way", as in just let them win basically.

Football fans seem to have collective amnesia, not many remember where they were a few years back, or where they have been in the past. Not sure who Leeds think they are crowing about anti-football in all honesty. 

[47er]

39 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Reminded me of Arsenal fans when we had Hughes in charge. They would come to Ewood and have the hell kicked out of them and then be crying all the way home how we didn't play football "in the right way", as in just let them win basically.

Football fans seem to have collective amnesia, not many remember where they were a few years back, or where they have been in the past. Not sure who Leeds think they are crowing about anti-football in all honesty. 

Yes bloody Arsene. Deliberate policy to ensure ref decisions went against us.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

20 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yes bloody Arsene. Deliberate policy to ensure ref decisions went against us.

How many penalties did they appeal for yesterday ? As my old team mate used to say - “ If you appeal often enough you’ll get one in the end “.

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

The biggest thing that has improved his game this season is that the defence is solid.

He hasn't had much to do in most games. He's good reflexes and a good shot stopper but his decision making is where it all turns to custard.

The keeper and his defence are one, or at least should be.

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The tactics were essentially to get a nil nil draw. We had absolutely nothing in attack and that is because of a lack of resources. None of the attackers gave us a threat in attack, no goal threat, no out ball and no pace.

To go to Elland Road with no attacking threat for reasons beyond him makes it even more difficult to go there and keep them out for a whole game when you arent threatening at the other end. The organisation was so good that not only did we keep them out for 85 minutes but we barely had a shot on our goal, and it took a debatable penalty.

Firstly, I don't agree, Eustace knows how to set up against a Farke's team and that is being well organised, sit deep, no space in behind and be defensively solid. We have taken 4 points off Leeds now by playing this week and Eustace has won 3 games and drew 1 in his 4 games against Farke at Leeds

I don't agree we have no attacking threat, Hyam had a chance, Leonard had a chance plus Batth goal. Leeds didn't created more than that. 

you mention we don't no pace in our team yet we taken 4 points of the leaders. Points matters

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Eustace is working with his hands tied behind his back.

I don't agree here. He doesn't have millions to spend like some Championship teams but we made some good signings in the summer like Ohashi, Baker, Beck and Batth

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

We have scored more than 1 goal only 3 times in the last 17 games. That is ridiculously bad and it highlights the job Eustace is doing to have us anywhere near the top 6 purely on the basis of a solid defence. However it clearly means that it is very difficult to win games/get results unless you get a clean sheet. We have got plenty but its impossible to do it in every game, we havent in the last 4 games and because of that lack of ability to score goals we have only got 2 points.

is it tho? nothing wrong with winning 1 nil, Arsenal under Graham, so why can't we did he same?

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

ACD would have at least offered us a threat on the counter attack but I suspected that he might be rotated because hes never really played senior football and has tired in his appearances so far, so all 3 games this week felt like a stretch.

ACD was never going to start this game, he was always going to pick Dolan and Hedges. 

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Eustace needs some money to actually sign some quality in attack. The job he is doing is so impressive but some quality, some pace and some goals would give our team an added dimension and less reliant on the organisation that is so impressive.

do the players not get praise for the good league positionally and above expectations? 

Yes we need a quality striker and wide left player as you know that what Eustace wants 

[Mattyblue]

Two things can be true at the same time:

The players and manager are doing well, deserve praise and are getting praise… but if we want to stay the course we need reinforcements.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

14 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I don't mind Farke, think he's alright. A good manager, and honest. Obviously Leeds are total scum though.

He's a whingeing little bitch for me is Farke

What a result and superb effort by the boys to a man.

I watched it in a bar in Dubai, got asked to stop putting my middle fingers up at the screen shouting "cunts" after we equalised by my poor wife

Got bought a shot of spicy sambucca by some Watford fans after losing a bet we'd equalise

Had a spicy zinger tower burger on the way home that's given me all sorts of grief today

All totally worth it though, falling in love with this team & manager, if the wretches fuck up this transfer window it'll be right up there in their long list of disgraces 

Bring on the knuckle draggers 

[Torgeir]

10 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He had to bring Leonard off. If he was bringing Gueye on somebody had to go off, we couldn’t have risked playing with two up front in today’s circumstances. The lad could have made a name for himself today but the game was too much for him.

The way we set up it would've been too much for anyone in our current squad tbf. I think he's got more goals in him than our other two strikers, but has to take his chances. Gueye is more of a menace and impact and Ohashi runs his socks off so are better fit for our current system.

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Gueye is a lot better than Gallagher, because he actually affects the game. His problem is that he’s really ungainly. He doesn’t ‘look’ like a footballer so it’s easy to allow yourself to criticise him.

Interesting - He has more goal involvements (Goals and Assists) than Cantwell, Yuki or Dolan this season, having played a fraction of the minutes they have. When he plays, stuff usually happens. It’s not always pretty or good…but he changes the dynamic and EFFECTS most games. He’s not a top class striker, and his history tells us he’s not prolific. He’s a big lump and he’s a handful.

Gallagher started 90% of the matches when he was fit and generally stunk the place out with ineffective performances. Week after week of nothingness, never being n a position to miss a sitter…that won’t happen with Gueye. He keeps himself in the game, good or bad. I’ll take that all day and I’m glad he’s set to start vs the Dingles. Of the forwards we have, he’s the one they will least want to face.

 

He has scored 1 goal and we are in January. Gallagher when fit scored 8 or 9 a season. His problem is not just that he is "ungainly," he is absolutely terrible in front of goal. 

He may have a use if you need a goal and chuck him on and pick up the scraps around him like yesterday. He started v Hull and was terrible though.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He has scored 1 goal and we are in January. Gallagher when fit scored 8 or 9 a season. His problem is not just that he is "ungainly," he is absolutely terrible in front of goal. 

He may have a use if you need a goal and chuck him on and pick up the scraps around him like yesterday. He started v Hull and was terrible though.

I’ll bet you a pound to a penny that Gally wouldn’t have got that cross back into play for our goal yesterday. He’d have been on his heels watching it sail out of play.

[arbitro]

It was really pleasing to see Travis and Carter celebrating with the team at the final whistle yesterday (disclaimer: I didn't actually see them but my granddaughter assures me they were).

Whilst team spirit won't actually win matches it can be a great asset as demonstrated yesterday. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

The way we set up it would've been too much for anyone in our current squad tbf. I think he's got more goals in him than our other two strikers, but has to take his chances. Gueye is more of a menace and impact and Ohashi runs his socks off so are better fit for our current system.

There’s a lot of truth in that. We basically have a 6 man defence plus the keeper. So we’re never going to be prolific in front of goal. Football doesn’t work like that. We usually make a couple of really good chances a game. If we take one or two of them all well and good.

Regarding Leonard, he’s a penalty box player. If 95% of the time the play is never in there he’s a luxury we can’t afford. It’s like going back to the Rhodes argument. He scored plenty but if he didn’t score we usually lost because off the ball it was like playing with 10.

[Old Codger]

Just now, arbitro said:

It was really pleasing to see Travis and Carter celebrating with the team at the final whistle yesterday (disclaimer: I didn't actually see them but my granddaughter assures me they were).

Whilst team spirit won't actually win matches it can be a great asset as demonstrated yesterday. 

Yes, that is something that is there for all to see, the team actually seem to like each other, and are incredibly demonstrative when we score and win. Yesterday's scenes after equalising were brilliant to see, and indicative of a group of players that are working well together, for the good of the team. Their bond with our excellent travelling support is great to see too - every player seems happy to engage, and Danny Baath's pleasure at notching yesterday was there for all to see and enjoy.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

It was really pleasing to see Travis and Carter celebrating with the team at the final whistle yesterday (disclaimer: I didn't actually see them but my granddaughter assures me they were).

Whilst team spirit won't actually win matches it can be a great asset as demonstrated yesterday. 

You’ll win nothing without it.

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Firstly, I don't agree, Eustace knows how to set up against a Farke's team and that is being well organised, sit deep, no space in behind and be defensively solid. We have taken 4 points off Leeds now by playing this week and Eustace has won 3 games and drew 1 in his 4 games against Farke at Leeds

I don't agree we have no attacking threat, Hyam had a chance, Leonard had a chance plus Batth goal. Leeds didn't created more than that. 

you mention we don't no pace in our team yet we taken 4 points of the leaders. Points matters

I don't agree here. He doesn't have millions to spend like some Championship teams but we made some good signings in the summer like Ohashi, Baker, Beck and Batth

is it tho? nothing wrong with winning 1 nil, Arsenal under Graham, so why can't we did he same?

ACD was never going to start this game, he was always going to pick Dolan and Hedges. 

do the players not get praise for the good league positionally and above expectations? 

Yes we need a quality striker and wide left player as you know that what Eustace wants 

I dont doubt the players try their best but all of the real stand out players this season are the ones behind whoever is selected in the front 4.

As I said, we have scored more than once only 3 times in 17 games. That shows how little an attacking threat we have. It also adds context whereby if we cant keep a clean sheet, which Eustace is good at getting but as I said its impossible to get one every game and because he is having to make do with such a poor set of attackers, when we concede any goals its really hard to win as we have seen in the last 4.

Thats why Eustace is doing such a good job to repeatedly need to try and grind out results without an attack. Yesterday in open play we just didnt offer a threat and the game was essentially played in one half so to keep them to such few chances was even more impressive.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Old Codger said:

Yes, that is something that is there for all to see, the team actually seem to like each other, and are incredibly demonstrative when we score and win. Yesterday's scenes after equalising were brilliant to see, and indicative of a group of players that are working well together, for the good of the team. Their bond with our excellent travelling support is great to see too - every player seems happy to engage, and Danny Baath's pleasure at notching yesterday was there for all to see and enjoy.

 

Batth was really pleased to give it to them because in the melee after the penalty was scored one of their players pushed him over from behind. A cowardly thing to do. He did well to control himself, after initially setting off after whoever it was ( Gnonto ? ) he backed off.

The goal was the best way to settle scores. “ Pick that out, you tossers “.

[USABlue]

6 hours ago, yellowsubmarine said:

The ref didnt give the penalty immediately, i'm pretty sure it was only when Gnoto put his arms on the ref's shoulders then he blew the whistle. 

 

Was a time hands on the ref got you a red.

[RevidgeBlue]

37 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He has scored 1 goal and we are in January. Gallagher when fit scored 8 or 9 a season. His problem is not just that he is "ungainly," he is absolutely terrible in front of goal. 

He may have a use if you need a goal and chuck him on and pick up the scraps around him like yesterday. He started v Hull and was terrible though.

And yet again you leap staunchly to Gallagher's defence.

No point keep saying "when fit" about him when he rarely is. His last season and a half in the Championship have produced four goals which is Gueye level anyway and in his final season here his all round performances tailed off from being poor in the first place to not contributing anything and never even looking likely to score.

Gallagher is Gueye without the nuisance factor. I don't think anyone is saying Gueye is currently good enough to start if we want to achieve any measure of success though.

[davulsukur]

43 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont doubt the players try their best but all of the real stand out players this season are the ones behind whoever is selected in the front 4.

As I said, we have scored more than once only 3 times in 17 games. That shows how little an attacking threat we have. It also adds context whereby if we cant keep a clean sheet, which Eustace is good at getting but as I said its impossible to get one every game and because he is having to make do with such a poor set of attackers, when we concede any goals its really hard to win as we have seen in the last 4.

Thats why Eustace is doing such a good job to repeatedly need to try and grind out results without an attack. Yesterday in open play we just didnt offer a threat and the game was essentially played in one half so to keep them to such few chances was even more impressive.

Agreed. He's doing a great job with what he has but it's a tactic that can only take us so far. 

The bloke himself has stated he wants a striker with championship experience, he knows we badly need goals but also knows that the current crop aren't going to deliver them.