Eustace…GONE

[RevidgeBlue]

To strip it down to brass tacks the first question Jackson, the Trust, the Fans Forum and anyone else should be asking is:

"Why are the Club seemingly entertainining offers from other Clubs for our very successful head coach as opposed to dismissing them out of hand? 

Surely we are not prioritising a few hundred thousand pounds over the success of the team on the pitch?"

[martonrover]

11 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

Personally I think this would be the tipping point if it happened but for what it's worth, I don't think he'll join Derby.

He will go in the summer and the reasons he wants out now will all be forgotten about.

I’m afraid that some of our attending supporters do not have a tipping point, and will never wake up to reality.

I do think this would generate more widespread hostility within the stadium, however.

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, martonrover said:

I’m afraid that some of our attending supporters do not have a tipping point, and will never wake up to reality.

I do think this would generate more widespread hostility within the stadium, however.

Waggott will be calling supporters to a meeting again, with a few players used as his shield  

The fraud that is Waggott Is gonna have the front to use Eustace connection as an ex player or the fact midlands club as reasoning why he wanted to move on 

At least at derby he will have communication from above what they are doing about contracts when key players have moved into the final 18 months of their deals 

Edited Sunday at 00:09 by islander200

[Upside Down]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Waggott will be calling supporters to a meeting again, with a few players used as his shield 

This time around the fans should have the sense to boycott it.

We need to stop letting them control the narrative.

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

This time around the fans should have the sense to boycott it.

We need to stop letting them control the narrative.

Exactly no point listening to someone who isn't giving any real answers 

9 times out 10 when his lips move he is telling a lie 

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

This time around the fans should have the sense to boycott it.

We need to stop letting them control the narrative.

Yep.

He cant be allowed to pull a stunt like that again.

[SuperBrfc]

I think there will be questions from the outside this time simply because it involves Eustace leaving another side that was sitting inside the top 6.

The first time round he was sacked by Birmingham and that caused a bit of a noise on talksport etc with their owners getting stick. If he was to leave of his own accord this time to join relegation zone Derby, that speaks volumes and is certain to raise eyebrows.

It would be up to us fans then to really bombard these phone ins, social media accounts and so on with our views on the mess. Get Pasha's name out there. Get Waggott's name out there.

This lot want to hide and stay in the shadows and pretend it's all good and that the stay away fans are the issue. Time for us to change the narrative and stick it on them.

[Forever Blue]

6 hours ago, unleaded said:

750 k is peanuts & Derby have sold a player for 9 million few days back … Think this is done deal ….Waggot will be going through his little black book to find the next mug …….only a matter of time he runs out of luck and actually finds a mug !! Billionaire owners good grief !!  

Why would he leave a club in the top 6 with only a third of the season left and an outside chance of promotion to the a prem, to join a club that might be in L1 next season? 

He’d be far better waiting until a more appealing job becomes available. 

The fact that quite a few appealing Championship jobs have been available recently and he’s not been chosen might tell its own story.

We also don’t know if he’s unhappy at Rovers. If the current lack of support continues then maybe he does see Derby as a viable alternative, but we don’t know that.

We also don’t know if he’s unhappy with how the recent transfer window went. He might feel the 6 players signed give him  a chance of top 6. Conversely, he might be unhappy with the players provided. Again, we don’t  know. 

There’s lots of jumping to conclusions going on. 
 

 

Edited Sunday at 04:29 by Forever Blue

[ageoftherover]

Why would Eustace leaving move the needle in any direction re ownership? That suggests Venkys are paying attention and/or care about anything that happens here. If they had any interest at all we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. If they're not interested enough to fund a team in 5th then the manager who got us there leaving and the odd grumble at the ground is hardly going to change that.

[lraC]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Why would he leave a club in the top 6 with only a third of the season left and an outside chance of promotion to the a prem, to join a club that might be in L1 next season? 

He’d be far better waiting until a more appealing job becomes available. 

The fact that quite a few appealing Championship jobs have been available recently and he’s not been chosen might tell its own story.

We also don’t know if he’s unhappy at Rovers. If the current lack of support continues then maybe he does see Derby as a viable alternative, but we don’t know that.

We also don’t know if he’s unhappy with how the recent transfer window went. He might feel the 6 players signed give him  a chance of top 6. Conversely, he might be unhappy with the players provided. Again, we don’t  know. 

There’s lots of jumping to conclusions going on. 
 

 

You are right about jumping to conclusions, but the bookies have him as 1/2 favorite just now.

If he does go, you can be absolutely certain that the club will dress it us as something and nothing, but surely even the most staunch supporter of the current regime, will realise just how much of a mess things are.

We have to jump to conclusions, simply because the biggest stakeholders in the club, us fans, are always left totally in the dark. 

[ageoftherover]

Also if, as some have suggested, the Derby approach is due to feelers being put out by Eustace and his camp, then it could have been done for a lot of reasons. He could be as interested in securing better conditions at Rovers as he is securing a new role. Maybe better money, more say in transfers or a direct line into someone important at Venkys, but using a job offer from a rival in negotiations with your current employer is a tale as old as time. To me, that makes as much or more sense than leaping off to Derby who are playing very poorly and hardly flush with cash themselves.

Whether he gets what he wants here is another question. But if he doesn't I'd guess he'll still hang around for a better offer whenever it becomes available.

Edited Sunday at 07:05 by ageoftherover

[47er]

16 minutes ago, ageoftherover said:

Maybe better money, more say in transfers or a direct line into someone important at Venkys, but using a job offer from a rival in negotiations with your current employer is a tale as old as time. To me, that makes as much or more sense than leaping off to Derby who are playing very poorly and hardly flush with cash themselves.

 

Equally you could be overthinking it and he's decided that anywhere is better than staying at soul-destroying Rovers.

He's done all he could, the owners/admin have let him down.

[chaddyrovers]

Rovers should be offering Eustace a new 3 year contract with backing to sign some quality signings in the summer and given new long term contracts to Travis, Tronstad, Hyam, Brittain. 

I wonder if Eustace is trying to force Rovers's hand into offering a new contract. 

11 hours ago, islander200 said:

You are speaking with Blue n White glasses on Chaddy 

If Boro or another top 6 contender had the window we had I don't believe you would think it was "a decent window overall"

Eustace wanted a goalscorer,  Dennis and Woodraw ain't goalscorers. All our signings have had a lack of playing time and came in here late in the window 

Its obvious Eustace wants out, he is linked with every championship job going.The window was shite and if he stays he will be left with 13/14 senior players in the summer 

A lot of signings in the January will be players moving on due to lack of playing time unless you have money like Sheffield United did with Cannon and loan signing of BBD. 

Unless you are spend money on a goalscorer like BTA(who must on here didn't want here) for example then you are looking either in the foreign market or the loan market. Dennis is someone who I mentioned on here weeks as possible target. So I happy with that signing and probably the best we could have got in. 

I don't think Boro had a brilliant window like yourself you loved the signing of Iheanacho on loan. They lost their goalscorer and didn't spend a penny on permanent signing. Just imagine if we had done that you would the front of the queue complaining and slamming your own club! 

That's your opinion that the window was shite on paper but we don't know whether it was good or bad window until we see it played out on the pitch.  

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Youve shown frustration that we spent peanuts. Youve criticised the inability to sign players on longer contracts. You agreed that the timing of the signings and the time needed to get the players up to speed is a concern. There are a number of players (BTA, Schlupp etc) who you clearly would have preferred.

Yet you think we had a decent window. Something doesnt add up.

Yes I would have liked to see us signed different players considering how much we spent on Karbgo this window where we in the summer we could have signed Dembele or Millar for similar fee and we know they are know this league. I said during the summer window, we should have signed either Dembele or Millar so my opinion hasn't changed. I would have maybe choose different players like who we signed Keeper wise for example or would I have signed Ohashi or Beck? no cos I didn't know who they were but I am very happy we did cos both have been quality signings and I will used you famous line "I'm not a scout". I'm sure if we were in charge of Rovers recruitment we would all signed different players and used the budget differently. That's how football is 

Yes I wanted BTA who I rated in this window but we didn't. Unless you are willing to invest in quality signings and look at long term aswell as short term. 

I never wanted Schlupp but I was willing to back what Eustace wanted cos I could see the benefits of signing him. 

I think if you are just looking short term and the loan market then Dennis and Woodrow are probably the best we could get in considering what we spend wages wise. 

Should 

[chaddyrovers]

24 minutes ago, lraC said:

the bookies have him as 1/2 favorite just now.

wasn't he favourite for other jobs previously linked to yet nothing in it. 

 

[islander200]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers should be offering Eustace a new 3 year contract with backing to sign some quality signings in the summer and given new long term contracts to Travis, Tronstad, Hyam, Brittain. 

I wonder if Eustace is trying to force Rovers's hand into offering a new contract. 

A lot of signings in the January will be players moving on due to lack of playing time unless you have money like Sheffield United did with Cannon and loan signing of BBD. 

Unless you are spend money on a goalscorer like BTA(who must on here didn't want here) for example then you are looking either in the foreign market or the loan market. Dennis is someone who I mentioned on here weeks as possible target. So I happy with that signing and probably the best we could have got in. 

I don't think Boro had a brilliant window like yourself you loved the signing of Iheanacho on loan. They lost their goalscorer and didn't spend a penny on permanent signing. Just imagine if we had done that you would the front of the queue complaining and slamming your own club! 

That's your opinion that the window was shite on paper but we don't know whether it was good or bad window until we see it played out on the pitch.  

 

 

 

Boro paid £8 million to sign Whittaker on a permanent 

There is a difference with being used minimally like Brereton,  Dennis hasn't played a competitive game in 10 months and Woodrow has hardly seen any minutes at all.Cannon was playing regular at Stoke City 

We didn't sign a goalscorer which is what Eustace wanted most 

Don't reply saying Dennis Is a goalscorer, he is a good player when fit but he is a 1 goal In 3/4 games player

[Mattyblue]

He goes to a team sitting in a play off place to the Premier League for a club staring down the barrel of League 1, I would wager Eustace did see it as shite on paper.

[norwichblue]

41 minutes ago, lraC said:

You are right about jumping to conclusions, but the bookies have him as 1/2 favorite just now.

Where are you seeing odds? The sky at market has been taken down.

This isn’t looking good to me.

[BigHoz]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers should be offering Eustace a new 3 year contract with backing to sign some quality signings in the summer and given new long term contracts to Travis, Tronstad, Hyam, Brittain. 

I wonder if Eustace is trying to force Rovers's hand into offering a new contract. 

A lot of signings in the January will be players moving on due to lack of playing time unless you have money like Sheffield United did with Cannon and loan signing of BBD. 

Unless you are spend money on a goalscorer like BTA(who must on here didn't want here) for example then you are looking either in the foreign market or the loan market. Dennis is someone who I mentioned on here weeks as possible target. So I happy with that signing and probably the best we could have got in. 

I don't think Boro had a brilliant window like yourself you loved the signing of Iheanacho on loan. They lost their goalscorer and didn't spend a penny on permanent signing. Just imagine if we had done that you would the front of the queue complaining and slamming your own club! 

That's your opinion that the window was shite on paper but we don't know whether it was good or bad window until we see it played out on the pitch.  

Yes I would have liked to see us signed different players considering how much we spent on Karbgo this window where we in the summer we could have signed Dembele or Millar for similar fee and we know they are know this league. I said during the summer window, we should have signed either Dembele or Millar so my opinion hasn't changed. I would have maybe choose different players like who we signed Keeper wise for example or would I have signed Ohashi or Beck? no cos I didn't know who they were but I am very happy we did cos both have been quality signings and I will used you famous line "I'm not a scout". I'm sure if we were in charge of Rovers recruitment we would all signed different players and used the budget differently. That's how football is 

Yes I wanted BTA who I rated in this window but we didn't. Unless you are willing to invest in quality signings and look at long term aswell as short term. 

I never wanted Schlupp but I was willing to back what Eustace wanted cos I could see the benefits of signing him. 

I think if you are just looking short term and the loan market then Dennis and Woodrow are probably the best we could get in considering what we spend wages wise. 

Should 

Why do you keep making excuses and defending the club? Are you Suhail? That’s a serious question btw. 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

To strip it down to brass tacks the first question Jackson, the Trust, the Fans Forum and anyone else should be asking is:

"Why are the Club seemingly entertainining offers from other Clubs for our very successful head coach as opposed to dismissing them out of hand? 

Surely we are not prioritising a few hundred thousand pounds over the success of the team on the pitch?"

Because they've sold all the playing staff with value, now need new revenue streams

[Madon]

11 minutes ago, norwichblue said:

Where are you seeing odds? The sky at market has been taken down.

This isn’t looking good to me.

 

[Ossydave]

May as well start the new manager thread at this point, if Derby are willing to pay, the rats will take it and pocket the cash and it looks like that's all that needs agreeing at this point.

Anything or anyone is fair game to them to make a few extra quid.

The slide down the table will continue and the gates will continue to tumble as another season goes down the pan.

 

[47er]

15 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

Rovers should be offering Eustace a new 3 year contract with backing to sign some quality signings in the summer and given new long term contracts to Travis, Tronstad, Hyam, Brittain. 

 

Of course they should but do you really believe they will? After all we've been through?

[philipl]

Lee Carsley to Rovers?

Two pointers- it is a 3 from 8 scrap at the bottom including Swansea who are also in free fall. I wouldn't rate the Derby squad as better than any of the other 7 so survival even for JE is far from a foregone conclusion and he cannot bring anyone in. 

- Derby have also had their transfer ban woes and I think have a suspended sentence hanging over them.

So while far from a done deal that he is staying, I would say it is not automatic that he is going to Derby. There must be other clubs on the point of firing managers in a better position than Derby who would tap up an open to offers Eustace. 

[rigger]

8 hours ago, islander200 said:

Exactly no point listening to someone who isn't giving any real answers 

9 times out 10 when his lips move he is telling a lie 

9 times out of 10 ? You are giving him some credit there. I would go with the full 10, when it comes to the Rovers.

[lraC]

50 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

wasn't he favourite for other jobs previously linked to yet nothing in it. 

 

There is a reason for him being linked all the time. It’s obvious people in the know, are fully aware that he has a unhappy.

I was told fairly recently by someone working at a Championship club that West Brom were given a figure by us for compensation, but wouldn’t meet the amount. 
 

Thats from someone who I have known for a long time and trust 100%.
 

My view is Derby will meet this figure and he will be gone.