Eustace…GONE

[alex l]

13 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

That Eustace would swap us for a relegation-placed team tells you everything you need to know.

It tells a lot but not everything. His family are apparently still in the Midlands so he spends a lot of time away from them. He also has an affinity for the club having spent a few seasons there, where he was seemingly well regarded by the fans. 

[Bethnal]

4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

If he does leave for Derby, then I'll be annoyed and angry for the following reasons: 

A team written off at the start of the season, potentially fighting relegation, is sat in 6th

Players and fans have given JE all the support he could ask for, to still be in with a chance in February. 

If you are disgruntled with the owners, Waggot etc, fine, we all are, but why decide to possibly leave the players and fans in the middle of a great opportunity to be in with a chance of doing something special.. see the project through, it's the least you can do, especially since you have been preaching all the lovely things since arriving. Once the season is done, and we have not reached the playoffs or crashed out of it, then by all means, thank you JE, and goodbye 

Disagree. He’s trying to improve the conditions in his existing job or taking a job that probably suits him down to the ground on every front except what’s happening on the pitch. Even still, Derby will bounce straight back up, I imagine and he’ll back himself to do that in style and stay in the championship season after next, at a club he finished his career at and is nearer his home. He often mentions being away from home, clearly it’s important to him. There’re a lot of midlands clubs about, but he had one of the jobs and lost it, has missed out on the WBA one (rumours abound that he applied for it) and who’s to say the Derby one or any other will be there in the summer? He’s essentially doing the right thing, we’d do different because we basically wouldn’t want to manage any other club, but once you’ve played for or coached a few, those loyalties aren’t so strong.

[Iceman]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

It doesn't work like that unfortunately

Derby are offering him the job now - not at the end of the season

If he fancies it (for whatever reason) he'll go

Didn't say he won't leave now. I said, it would be disappointing, considering all the positive things that's been coming out of his mouth since the start of the season. If he was that disgruntled, he should have quit. Derby coming in for him, is just a quick way out, with somebody able to offer him an escape route. Him quitting on the fans and players is easy. It's not that easy for us fans to quit on him and the players, and if we did, he as the manager would question our loyalty to the players.. 

[den]

He might have said he’s looking for assurances - but I don’t think so.

He knows exactly what’s what at Ewood. He also knows how JDT was let down in the same way as he has been. Is there any possible way he could believe anything that Waggott would tell him? 
 

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

17 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I think this is him playing his trump card. It's him saying to Waggott / Suhail "let me speak directly to the owners or I'm off". 

Mowbray was backed financially because he flew over to India and hobnobbed with the owners in Pune. 

It's quite clever really. 

He knows that will never happen. They don’t let minions actually talk to them. He’s off having firmly put the blame on the chicken chokers.

[Iceman]

4 minutes ago, Bethnal said:

Disagree. He’s trying to improve the conditions in his existing job or taking a job that probably suits him down to the ground on every front except what’s happening on the pitch. Even still, Derby will bounce straight back up, I imagine and he’ll back himself to do that in style and stay in the championship season after next, at a club he finished his career at and is nearer his home. He often mentions being away from home, clearly it’s important to him. There’re a lot of midlands clubs about, but he had one of the jobs and lost it, has missed out on the WBA one (rumours abound that he applied for it) and who’s to say the Derby one or any other will be there in the summer? He’s essentially doing the right thing, we’d do different because we basically wouldn’t want to manage any other club, but once you’ve played for or coached a few, those loyalties aren’t so strong.

Disagree with you as well. If this Derby job offer didnt come up, then what? Like I said, if he was so unhappy, disgruntled, missing home, he could have quit and left the post sometime back and gone onto the unemployment list of managers. Why all of a sudden, is he feeling ambitious, missing home etc. 

Edited Sunday at 15:58 by Iceman

[Forever Blue]

I’m sure communicator-in-chief Gestede and Waggott the Incompetent will be doing all they can to reassure the supporters within hours of their utmost determination to keep the manager. 

[JHRover]

17 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I think this is him playing his trump card. It's him saying to Waggott / Suhail "let me speak directly to the owners or I'm off". 

Mowbray was backed financially because he flew over to India and hobnobbed with the owners in Pune. 

It's quite clever really. 

Spot on here.

As I keep on repeating and I think is absolutely critical to how things work is a direct line of communication between the manager and those in Pune. 

Kean, Bowyer, Mowbray got it and they got backing and it lasted for a few years.

Allardyce, Berg, Appleton, Lambert, Coyle, JDT and now Eustace haven't had that opportunity and none have lasted very long. 

I suppose the key thing now will be whether anyone in India knows or cares about Eustace being approached, and if they are whether this is going to put the dogsbody Suhail under some pressure to change course. Or on the flip side knowing these scumbags they'll react badly to being given an 'ultimatum' by a lowly employee and instead be happy he's leaving and collect the compo.

[Paul Mellelieu]

On the other hand, Eustace knew Venky's record at the club, so unless specific promises have ben broken, it'[s a bad look to bugger off when a midlands club come calling.

[SuperBrfc]

31 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

He's as good as gone 😂

He's done a JDT by naming the pair who need to speak with him. Good man. A smart move also to mention honesty of the fans, the players and him in wanting the club to be successful.

It's clear for all to see now. He has put it at their door. If he leaves, it is because he did not receive assurances from those named and they are fine with him leaving.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

Disagree with you as well. If this Derby job offer did come up, then what? Like I said, if he was so unhappy, disgruntled, missing home, he could have quit and left the post sometime back and gone onto the unemployment list of managers. Why all of a sudden, is he feeling ambitious, missing home etc. 

He's clearly feeling shit on as per our last Manager....

[Iceman]

6 minutes ago, alex l said:

It tells a lot but not everything. His family are apparently still in the Midlands so he spends a lot of time away from them. He also has an affinity for the club having spent a few seasons there, where he was seemingly well regarded by the fans. 

I find this unbelievable to read, especially professional managers and players. If you miss home and family that much, then don't take a position at a club, outside of where you prefer to be. As a professional, moving from one city/country is something that comes with the territory. If you can't handle that, then stay and find work In your home town 

[rigger]

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

Anyone old enough to remember Daktari?

Clarance.

[JHRover]

Mowbray used to whinge about being away from his family all the time (90 minutes down the road from his home to Brockhall) and about how he needed to spend more time with them etc.

Since then he's accepted jobs at Birmingham and West Brom, an extra 2 hours away from home.

If Eustace was getting any sort of backing or enjoyment of being Rovers manager saving an hour or two in the car to Derby wouldn't even be under consideration. If he got offered the Real Madrid job he wouldn't turn it down because he's based in the Midlands either, it's just a convenient excuse. 

[Iceman]

2 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

He's clearly feeling shit on as per our last Manager....

I don't disagree with that. But he knew the territory, he knew what he would potentially get himself into before he took on the job. If all that assurances were broken, then I don't blame him.. But, with the team in the playoffs race, see the project through that you started, especially when the players have given it 100 against all the odds 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

30 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

On the other hand, Eustace knew Venky's record at the club, so unless specific promises have ben broken, it'[s a bad look to bugger off when a midlands club come calling.

Allegedly he was promised the money from  the Sammi sale and then it mysteriously vanished. I think he’s had one eye on the door ever since. His name has been linked qpwith every remotely suitable job since that time.

Edited Sunday at 16:30 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Iceman]

Just now, JHRover said:

Mowbray used to whinge about being away from his family all the time (90 minutes down the road from his home to Brockhall) and about how he needed to spend more time with them etc.

Since then he's accepted jobs at Birmingham and West Brom, an extra 2 hours away from home.

If Eustace was getting any sort of backing or enjoyment of being Rovers manager saving an hour or two in the car to Derby wouldn't even be under consideration. If he got offered the Real Madrid job he wouldn't turn it down because he's based in the Midlands either, it's just a convenient excuse. 

Spot On! 

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray used to whinge about being away from his family all the time (90 minutes down the road from his home to Brockhall) and about how he needed to spend more time with them etc.

Since then he's accepted jobs at Birmingham and West Brom, an extra 2 hours away from home.

If Eustace was getting any sort of backing or enjoyment of being Rovers manager saving an hour or two in the car to Derby wouldn't even be under consideration. If he got offered the Real Madrid job he wouldn't turn it down because he's based in the Midlands either, it's just a convenient excuse. 

Yeah..shades of Colin Hendry and ( for my older readers!) Dick Mulvaney!

[Penwortham Blue]

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray used to whinge about being away from his family all the time (90 minutes down the road from his home to Brockhall) and about how he needed to spend more time with them etc.

Since then he's accepted jobs at Birmingham and West Brom, an extra 2 hours away from home.

If Eustace was getting any sort of backing or enjoyment of being Rovers manager saving an hour or two in the car to Derby wouldn't even be under consideration. If he got offered the Real Madrid job he wouldn't turn it down because he's based in the Midlands either, it's just a convenient excuse. 

Too true, an hour to Derby and two to Ewood, it really isn’t such a big deal.

[Polky]

I have zero confidence that we’ll bring in a competent manager.

 

[booth]

10 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

I’m sure communicator-in-chief Gestede and Waggott the Incompetent will be doing all they can to reassure the supporters within hours of their utmost determination to keep the manager. 

It'll be Operation Eustace's Fault.

[Bethnal]

5 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Disagree with you as well. If this Derby job offer didnt come up, then what? Like I said, if he was so unhappy, disgruntled, missing home, he could have quit and left the post sometime back and gone onto the unemployment list of managers. Why all of a sudden, is he feeling ambitious, missing home etc. 

because he’s just gone through a lacklustre transfer window (despite allegedly being promised significant funds if he kept us up last season) and after publicly acknowledging the uncertainty of whether contracts are going to be renewed, he’s been given an opportunity to take a more stable job (which if we compare the back room operations - it is) with employers he can probably meet, will probably turn up to his place of employment and engage with what he will be trying to do. As a “manager” in any business, it’s kind of the least you’d expect.

He’s got a good hand here, he’s done extremely well, absolutely everyone in football is falling all over themselves to point it out. He can leave with his stock high with the likelihood that he’ll be backed, give a proper timeline and project to work with.

Take a step back from being a fan and consider what it must be like working underneath Waggott, Pasha and Venkys. He’s done a year and they’re constantly pulling the rug, moving the goalposts or ignoring requests. I personally think he’s telling them to improve his conditions and the conditions at the club or he’ll go, but if he does go, it’s not an indictment on him, it’s the fuckwits running is on fumes so they can get a bonus every year.

[TommyRovers]

Jumping ship with 15 games to go while you're in the playoffs after months of talk about togetherness, to a team fighting relegation is a poor move by Eustace. You stay till the end of the season and then look to move on.

I fully understand his frustration with the owners and those running the club and they are ultimately responsible but this could backfire on Eustace. You go down with Derby to league one and your success at Rovers is soon forgotten. 

[booth]

16 minutes ago, alex l said:

It tells a lot but not everything. His family are apparently still in the Midlands so he spends a lot of time away from them. He also has an affinity for the club having spent a few seasons there, where he was seemingly well regarded by the fans. 

None of that will play a part in him leaving.

[Forever Blue]

2 minutes ago, booth said:

It'll be Operation Eustace's Fault.

Tommys already begun