Eustace…GONE

[Trinidad Rover]

Where is the communicator in chief, Gestede?

Surprised he hasn’t come out to tell us we should be grateful yet

[Bronzed A Donis]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so why is he taking training if he is off or even meeting the Rovers board? 

Derby met his release clause so not a lot Rovers can do if there is a clause in the contract allowing to speak to others if that fee is match

I presume because he's still under contract and he wants to behave professionally ?

[sharpysharps86]

6 minutes ago, islander200 said:

And even tho he probably still being paid off Martin would be a disaster of an appointment. 

Agreed, aside from the fact that he is a really dislikeable figure, Martin is just like Scott Parker...can only really do a job when he's got money to spend.

Steve Cooper would be my choice, but there is probably no chance in hell of him coming to Rovers.

I don't really see anyone out there that can come in and rally the troops in this time of need.

It'll be someone cheap, available and that they can lie to for roughly 12 months before they get fed up as well.

Edited yesterday at 12:18 by sharpysharps86

[Ianrally]

20 minutes ago, gumboots said:

Listened to Paul Robinson yesterday talking about the owners being absentees and showing no ambition. He said how much he loved his time at Ewood and how the owners continued to let fans down

Fine words from Robbo and similar comes from the likes of Shearer and Sutton, but I'm afraid its not the same as them saying in public that these owners have totally ruined the club and are slowly grinding it into oblivion. 

[Herbie6590]

4 minutes ago, Trinidad Rover said:

Where is the communicator in chief, Gestede?

Surprised he hasn’t come out to tell us we should be grateful yet

Does the Eustace buyout money get paid in instalments? I demand to know…

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, Trinidad Rover said:

Where is the communicator in chief, Gestede?

Surprised he hasn’t come out to tell us we should be grateful yet

I was told that he is the confidante of Pasta and they both were of the opinion that we didn't need to spend any money in January and relayed this to the Punekars.

Although he has only been here a short while I believe he is complicit in this latest chapter in our demise.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

Just now, arbitro said:

I was told that he is the confidante of Pasta and they both were of the opinion that we didn't need to spend any money in January and relayed this to the Punekars.

Although he has only been here a short while I believe he is complicit in this latest chapter in our demise.

Could immediately tell he was just another cunt in a long line of cunts by his first press conference 

[superniko]

1 minute ago, arbitro said:

I was told that he is the confidante of Pasta and they both were of the opinion that we didn't need to spend any money in January and relayed this to the Punekars.

Although he has only been here a short while I believe he is complicit in this latest chapter in our demise.

Bloke couldn't wait to jump ship after a good season with us a player, hopefully likewise in his 'business' career.

[JHRover]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

'A Venkys representative'

Shadowy Suhail has really done a good job of keeping himself shrouded in secrecy. Even now despite running the club for nearly a decade and being named on the club website and sat with Waggott at games he's still got the media avoiding naming and shaming him.

 

[lraC]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so why is he taking training if he is off or even meeting the Rovers board? 

Derby met his release clause so not a lot Rovers can do if there is a clause in the contract allowing to speak to others if that fee is match

Not a lot Rovers can do?

John, we know you have that clause in your contract, but of course that went in and was agreed by both parties, before we knew you would keep us up and before you got us into the top 6.

We realise that we have let you down in the transfer market and we will give assurances to you and sign in with blood, that we will give you a decent sized budget, if we remain in the championship and if you get us promoted, there is a £5m bonus and a 10 year contract waiting for you.

So far as the players contracts are signed, you tell us, who you want to keep and we will extend each one and give them a considerable pay rise. After all, we have got the funds, from the recent sales and the bonus from agreed sell on clauses, so we are about to release the purse strings and ensure you are given a fair crack on the whip.

No need to go and speak to Derby, we are announcing in the press quite soon, that the goal of avoiding relegation, is being replaced with an all out assault on reaching the premier and you are pivotal in that.

Now that's what Rovers can do, instead of suggesting to the fans that he is homesick. 

[JHRover]

Just imagine losing a good manager to second bottom Derby for reasons including not offering any of our best players new contracts and clowns like Gestede and Suhail making signings ahead of Eustace. 

Once again we lose quality out the exit door and are stuck with the dross who will be on the Venky gravy train for years.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, islander200 said:

If Alex Neill hadn't taken Millwall they would have gone for him.

Not really important who the next manager is in the wider context, and whoever is chosen will also become unhappy after a small period of time but.....

Really don't want Lowe

And even tho he probably still being paid off Martin would be a disaster of an appointment. 

I agree completely.

I would lose a lot of interest if Lowe was appointed and Martin seems like an arrogant cock of the highest order - "Ill play football my way even if it isnt in the best interests of the Club and gets us relegated with a record low number of points".

I really hope Eustace stays but if not we need an immediate solution, we cant afford for a managerial  search to take 4-6 weeks and everyone's morale would be absolute rock bottom in the meantime.

My preferred solution to making the best of a bad job would be to go for an immediate short term solution of appointing Warnock or Allardyce until the end of the season. It would stop everyone feeling sorry for themselves and put a few smiles back on everyone's faces.

If we dont go up then we're fucked at the end of the season, but then as things stand, we are anyway and at least this would give us a slight chance of pulling off the impossible.

Id include Dyche in that list as well but doubt he'd be interested.

[superniko]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so why is he taking training if he is off or even meeting the Rovers board? 

Derby met his release clause so not a lot Rovers can do if there is a clause in the contract allowing to speak to others if that fee is match

Could be saying his goodbyes to the players and staff (staff that deserve one)

[davulsukur]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so why is he taking training if he is off or even meeting the Rovers board? 

Derby met his release clause so not a lot Rovers can do if there is a clause in the contract allowing to speak to others if that fee is match

Because as it stands right now, he's still our manager and he gets paid to do a job. If the board aren't sitting down with him until later he still has an obligation to do his job.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

29 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Why is he taking training?

The priority should be him speaking to the board, and either change his mind(won't happen) or allow him go speak to Derby and get on with our manager search 

Saying goodbye to the players ?

[bluebruce]

6 minutes ago, superniko said:

Bloke couldn't wait to jump ship after a good season with us a player, hopefully likewise in his 'business' career.

Minus the good season part. I don't see how he'll have one of those.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

19 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

They might have a passing knowledge of who he is but Id imagine they dont realise the crucial importance of the manager/head coach to a football club.

Really, if you get the manager and the recruitment spot on there's not too much else to go wrong, the rest just falls into place.

However they probably think our manager is easily interchangeable and replaceable like one of the middle managers in their core businesses. This would seem to be supported by the fact that we now seem to be treating managers as trading assets like players and selling them for 500 -750 k a pop. 

And I dont suppose Waggott or Pasha are lifting a finger to convince them of the folly of such an approach.

I bet the chicken chokers couldn’t pick Eustace out in a police style line up.

[Norn Iron Rover]

Taking training means nothing. I'd imagine Waggot/Pasha have told him to do so!

[arbitro]

5 minutes ago, superniko said:

Could be saying his goodbyes to the players and staff (staff that deserve one)

I think he is being, as he always has professional. And his professionalism and the clubs lack of is one of the main reasons he wants to leave.

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Norn Iron Rover said:

Taking training means nothing. I'd imagine Waggot/Pasha have told him to do so!

Its only Chaddy who thinks him taking training means he might stay ..

It's utterly pointless him taking training though ,talks should be held immediately.

We have a huge game on Wednesday 

[jim mk2]

LT article citing “family” too. Really? Living in a hotel obviously isn’t sustainable. Why don’t these people don’t buy a home in the area? They’re multimillionaires, they can afford it. If they truly believe in the “project” they should move house and commit to it. The club should insist on it too - but with a CEO who lives down south that’s not going to happen. 

[joey_big_nose]

24 minutes ago, Bronzed A Donis said:

From the Derby Forum. Nothing we haven't already speculated

 

My latest, my mate spoke to Eustace over the weekend so there's your source.

 

Blackburn want £750k compensation so that's the biggest stumbling block.

 

Eustace has six players on expiring contracts, not one of them has even a first draft on the table. Not his words but no surprise they're ducking out of 50:50 tackles as one bad injury and they are a free agent (obviously has some memories of George then)

 

He's been battling to get the players longer contracts and the players really appreciate him. He is an honest and supportive boss.

 

He has no say over transfers, in the last window they bought a load of players that were different to what he wanted. They now have 26 players (you are only allowed to register 25) so one has been told they have no place in the club this season.

Despite all of this, there is a great degree of loyalty to his team and players - memories of how he was treated at Birmingham I guess - so he's not ready to throw everyone under the bus at the first opportunity.

I really hope this works, he sounds like a top bloke to have managing 

 

That have the ring of truth around it. Does also leave open the door to him staying if he gets assurances. But I cant see how he will though...

That we are not even proposing contracts suggests to me the owners are just cutting all out of season non contracted investment 

[bluebruce]

The levels of delusion on the LT comments and some on FB are insane.

I bet they're largely people who have been praising JE, but now it's all 'oh he's not that good anyway, there's loads of better managers out there we can get' and even some 'get shut' type comments.

Honestly, some of our fans deserve what they've been getting and will get.

[RoverInverness]

4 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

This crops up on here from time to time but if we are rational/factual for a moment we can discount it TBH.

1. Tax relief - it has been mentioned on here historically (by a former accountant) that there is no reciprocal tax arrangements between India & UK to allow UK losses to be written off against Indian profits. The tax write off angle therefore doesn’t work.

2. Offshoring debt - not sure what this means TBH. The UK companies are part of the consolidated group. When the group accounts are prepared, BRFC is included in those numbers. The vast majority of the debt incurred by UK companies is intra-group - it’s one company lending to another - how does the fact that the debt is owed by a subsidiary in the UK benefit them?

3. Venky’s bought a PL club - if they didn’t want a club in the PL - why not just buy someone like Wrexham or similar ?

4. Why would they not want the income that comes from being in the PL? It makes zero sense to suggest that they are so cunning they’ve worked out a mechanism that not having £150m coming in is better than actually having £150m coming in

5. Venky’s aren’t offshoring their money - they have bought assets in the UK. They slipped up by not accurately declaring the nature of some of those assets. The UK businesses don’t generate money, they absorb it. There aren’t great cash deposits in the accounts of the UK subsidiaries. The UK subsidiaries would be insolvent if cash wasn’t injected.

Sometimes we can go down rabbit holes looking for complicated explanations of something much more simple.

My take - they are so wealthy BRFC is a rounding error in the annual accounts & creates barely a ripple. They didn’t understand what they were getting into. They took lousy advice. Made some terrible executive (& managerial) appointments. Eventually they decided to introduce some rigour & they set a budget to be adhered to. They appointed trusted UK based staff to enact the budget. Enter SP & SW.

SP & SW are carrying out the wishes of the folks who pay their generous salaries - namely “stay within the budget…control costs…don’t come to us for money except if there is a danger of insolvency/administration…”

Venkys set the parameters…SP & SW carry out their instructions and act as a firewall.

Thst’s why changing CEO changes nothing. We need new owners with a new vision, a commitment, a passion for the club.

Thanks for this. Corruption and deceitful business dealings are easily possible for these thoroughly dishonourable and totally dysfunctional family. However, I agree completely that it does not actually make it the most likely explanation for the decade long limbo we find ourselves in.

The most likely explanation for the current situation at the club, IMO, remains the same as it has been since Paul Lambert was sold a pack of false promises to take over the club. That is -

Mr & Mrs D probably want to sell, but the Fat One constantly vetoes this decision. The Fat One would probably like to spend/borrow a little, when he occasionally remembers about us, but his sister and brother in law constantly veto these decisions. Hence we are stuck in perpetual purgatory. Unreliable promises for £ and commitment come from the Fat One, refusal for £ to ever be spent, and instructions for sabotage, come from the D’s.

(The other one I doubt remembers his own name, let alone ours).

We’re caught in a sibling feud, I think, both sides too stubborn to give in. Neither side interested enough to make a killer move. I suspect SP (and thus SW too) see the D’s as the real bosses and probably try to humour and occasionally pretend to respond to the Fat One whilst knowing full well they take their real orders from the D’s. 

Pashwag (SP & SW) realise that to maintain their own positions they have to prevent managers having direct access to the family. Hence, post-Mowbray, JDT & JE have been kept well away from them. The instruction from the D’s to Pashwag may well be, as a priority, don’t let the coaches get access to the Fat One. 

Getting rid of Pashwag won’t change anything, but still, it would be fun to see them fall.

We also shouldn’t talk of the owners as a single entity, they are a divided camp with different intentions. Our dysfunctionality as club merely reflects our owner’s dysfunctionality as a family.

[Norbert Rassragr]

Every bit of hope and competence gets stamped on and crushed by the verminous scum at Ewood and India. There is no future for this club beyond decay and failure unless the owners get chased out of town now.