Eustace…GONE

[JBiz]

10 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He's welcomed the approach, yes. I'm sure he's had feelers out for a while - he was simply not backed in January and he can see the writing on the wall in the summer. I'm sure any  manager would do the same after working under Steve and Suhail for any period of time.

Even today, he told them what it'd take to retain his services - absolute basic necessities and they've released that bitter, pathetic hit piece of a club statement in response. I would love a transcript from that meeting, I bet it was scathing.

 

You can see what's coming. Go and read some of Nixon's tweets (their chief propogandist) - he talks about how we're still top 6 and it's a huge 15 games coming up etc in response to people questioning the long term future of the club. The fact of the matter is there isn't a long term future for this club - contracts are being run down, 5 of the 6 January transfers have been brought in on a 6 month contract and multiple players are out of contract in the summer.

Eustace has lived this day to day. He's not asked for the world and they will not (or more likely cannot) provide him with anything so he's done the honest thing and left with his head held high and his reputation intact.

 

TLDR: he's left for a smaller, poorer club in a desperate relegation dogfight - that tells you everything you need to know.

 

I don’t read nixon news or posts if I can help it, especially Twitter. It’s all so monetised now, you’ve no way of disseminating what’s fact or opinion, and most is click based. Wouldn’t be surprised he’s trying to engage rovers fans into arguments to get a higher monthly pay out.

Re the contracts - there’s plenty of posters who would drive dolan hyam and hedges to derby with John, so this “contracts expiring” isn’t as simple as that. Also loans cost money, and many of those leaving are on loan, that could be argued as opportunity, especially if we’ve money in the bank.

On a specific contract, I think it would be pointless giving someone like Dolan 15k pw for 5 years, and as an example of that - his advisors will know that his best wage will come from free transfer - we aren’t going to beat that for numerous reasons, the main one being 150+ games into his career his final contribution be it shot or pass is often shite.

Eustace has done a very good job at rovers with the Willy he has wee’d with, but it’s surely not a surprise to anyone that many passionate rovers fans would be frustrated at the timing an obvious manufacturing of this scenario!

You never know, I’d imagine the CVs are flooding in, despite what we know about the Rao’s. Managers will see 15 (18) games to get a huge tick on the CV and very little chance of a X.

[JBiz]

10 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Advocating ‘togetherness’ has nothing to do with seeing a contract out. ‘Togetherness’ was about getting results on the pitch.

It’s a bit naive to think it was meant in any meaningful way 🤣

It’s an obvious lack of commitment despite expecting it from players, staff and fans. 

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, JBiz said:

It’s an obvious lack of commitment despite expecting it from players, staff and fans. 

He asked for a new contract and assurances over budget. He didn’t get either commitment from the club. But you expect him to stay committed?

You’re very selective over who you expect commitment from. 

[JBiz]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

He asked for a new contract and assurances over budget. He didn’t get either commitment from the club. But you expect him to stay committed?

You’re very selective over who you expect commitment from. 

I would take anything in the press with a pinch of salt. Remember I said there would’ve been no approach if he hadn’t already talked to them.

[ageoftherover]

12 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Advocating ‘togetherness’ has nothing to do with seeing a contract out. ‘Togetherness’ was about getting results on the pitch.

It’s a bit naive to think it was meant in any meaningful way 🤣

You're still responsible for your words, no matter the subtext we might read into them. You don't get to expound cliches then dart behind "i was just expounding cliches" when your actions don't line up with your prior statements. Hence the narratives his camp have to build up surrounding his exit, let down by the club, not given assurances by management, unfair treatment of his players etc etc.

The last one in particular is a bit much. Yeah the squad has been badly let down by the club wrt contracts, but are they better off showcasing their wares in an enthusiastic, galvanised squad that makes the play-offs and potentially beyond? Or are they better off showcasing their wares in a rudderless ship that fades out heavily to a lower mid table finish? The club bears ultimate responsibility for this, but let's not pretend JE jumping ship helps the players in any shape or form.

[onlyonejackwalker]

17 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Advocating ‘togetherness’ has nothing to do with seeing a contract out. ‘Togetherness’ was about getting results on the pitch.

It’s a bit naive to think it was meant in any meaningful way 🤣

How will they view that togetherness now?

As you quite rightly say his words have proven meaningless. Sure as shooting he will be saying the exact same things to.the Midlands press this week. 

[47er]

He's gone and that's it. Wanted a new contract, which he deserved, wanted the players whose contracts were up to be offered new ones. Owners turned him down.

Why would he stay in the circumstances? How come we've lost 2 managers in 12 months?

This crisis has been almost 15 years in the making and everything about the club has been dumbed down.

Tomorrows game will be a funeral one from our point of view. Feel so sad for the players who have given their all this season only to see the rug pulled from under them.

Some people are talking as if its as simple as-- a manager has gone, so what? We'll get another one and things will carry on as they always have.

I think a stage more desperate than that has been reached and our very future is on the line.

I wouldn't care to be involved in marketing for Rovers at the end of the season, you can't fall all the people all the time.

[JCRovers]

56 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Ok ill try and wake up.

For the record I'm not pinning any blame on Eustace JC. I'm simply stating what I believe to be the overriding factor in his decision making process.

Do you honestly believe he is so aggrieved with life at Ewood that he has taken a pay cut to work for Derby? 

And I believe Eustace simply decided that enough is enough around January 25th (as per @jim mk2 's opening post in this thread), and told his agent to let other Championship clubs know that he's willing to listen to any offers that comes his way. Hence why Derby knew about the release-clause and has (probably) already agreed on contract length and wages before making an official approach to Rovers.

Despite that, he was still willing to listen to the club one last time and let them explain what their future plans are, if they could provide any sort of guarantees regarding renewal of contracts & transfer budget and whether they were willing to reward him for the team's progress this season. He has been screaming for reinforcements throughout the entire January window and they didn't do anything until the very last minute when they spent a rather meagre sum of one million. And today they refused his requests yet again, which basically left him with no other choice but to leave. Trust me, this isn't primarily about a pay-raise, it's about ambition, proper communication with the owners, and getting backed when needed. He's just sick of all the lies and being let down over and over again. They have failed him, the team and the fans during this window when injuries started piling up and the team were forced to have youngsters on the bench (who were nowhere near ready for senior football).

They have failed in their ownership since day one and that will not change until they leave.

[onlyonejackwalker]

8 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

And I believe Eustace simply decided that enough is enough around January 25th (as per @jim mk2 's opening post in this thread), and told his agent to let other Championship clubs know that he's willing to listen to any offers that comes his way. Hence why Derby knew about the release-clause and has (probably) already agreed on contract length and wages before making an official approach to Rovers.

Despite that, he was still willing to listen to the club one last time and let them explain what their future plans are, if they could provide any sort of guarantees regarding renewal of contracts & transfer budget and whether they were willing to reward him for the team's progress this season. He has been screaming for reinforcements throughout the entire January window and they didn't do anything until the very last minute when they spent a rather meagre sum of one million. And today they refused his requests yet again, which basically left him with no other choice but to leave. Trust me, this isn't primarily about a pay-raise, it's about ambition, proper communication with the owners, and getting backed when needed. He's just sick of all the lies and being let down over and over again. They have failed him, the team and the fans during this window when injuries started piling up and the team were forced to have youngsters on the bench (who were nowhere near ready for senior football).

They have failed in their ownership since day one and that will not change until they leave.

All contributory factors I totally agree.

However you seemed to avoid answering my questions?

Do you think he has taken a pay cut, or had a pay increase in joining Derby? 

Do you think he asked for a pay rise to stay at Rovers?

 

Edited 16 hours ago by onlyonejackwalker
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[JCRovers]

1 minute ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

All contributory factors I totally agree.

However you seemed to avoid answering my only question.

Do you think he has taken a pay cut, or had a pay increase in joining Derby? 

Do you think he asked for a pay rise to stay at Rovers?

 

Yes, I do believe he asked for a pay-rise/improved contract and whether they would be willing to match Derby's offer or go one better. The very least the club could do was to match their offer and provide some reassurances about players' contracts that expires within the next 6-18 months. They decided that Eustace was not worth it.

How do you feel about that, seeing a head coach seemingly looking helpless and depressed from his post-match reactions in his last couple of games? How do you feel about the club not rewarding a head coach that helped the team survive relegation last season and now has the team around playoff spots? Do you think he deserves to be treated like this? Is it worth getting rid of a head coach who's been working with the team for the last year and has made them achieve results that are above expectation for a couple more thousands in salary raise? 

[Upside Down]

52 minutes ago, JBiz said:

I would take anything in the press with a pinch of salt. Remember I said there would’ve been no approach if he hadn’t already talked to them.

He wouldn't have talked to them if he'd been backed and given resources that he desperately needed.

[booth]

7 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Disgraceful.

Written like a petulant teenager. Check.
Alienating the manager. Check.
Treating the fans like gullible idiots. Check.


Suhail's first attempt at a statement. Check.

[USABlue]

You know Venkies may be able to score a few brownie points.  Simply get Eustace to stay, lie and say they had no idea until they looked into that the situation with the last few managers had been that way.  Fire Waggot and the other with immediate effect and gonfrom there.

Nah better yet just sell and sod off 

[Mike E]

The contract situation makes me wish we still had someone like Broughton. Whatever his failings, he could at least see beyond six months.

[booth]

2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Even today, he told them what it'd take to retain his services - absolute basic necessities and they've released that bitter, pathetic hit piece of a club statement in response. I would love a transcript from that meeting, I bet it was scathing.

It was perfect, a manager in the play off positions keeping the fans relatively happy, but with just enough shit to wade through so we'll just miss out again.

Now it's two managers leaving within 12 months in controversial circumstances. Fans massively unhappy and questioning why a manager is leaving the play off places for a relegation fight.

One positive - the statement certainly reads like someone not in full control of their emotions. It got someone riled up.

[Forever Blue]

3 hours ago, JBiz said:

I would take anything in the press with a pinch of salt. Remember I said there would’ve been no approach if he hadn’t already talked to them.

Elliot Jackson isn’t going to make it up. So the only commitment issue is the one from  the club to the manager who has taken us from the relegation zone to the play off zone on a shoestring budget. 
 

No wonder he’s off to where he’s wanted. 

[Forever Blue]

3 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

How will they view that togetherness now?

As you quite rightly say his words have proven meaningless. Sure as shooting he will be saying the exact same things to.the Midlands press this week. 

They’ll view the lack of togetherness from the club to the manager with real sadness. He asked for a new contract, a contract he deserved, and they refused. Shame on them. 

[Upside Down]

24 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Elliot Jackson isn’t going to make it up. So the only commitment issue is the one from  the club to the manager who has taken us from the relegation zone to the play off zone on a shoestring budget. 
 

No wonder he’s off to where he’s wanted. 

The LET is nothing more than the club's stenographer so if they're writing stuff like that then it's absolutely going to be true.

[bigbrandjohn]

John Gone

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/24924657.eustace-agrees-derby-deal-showdown-blackburn-talks/

[Dan]

30 minutes ago, bigbrandjohn said:

John Gone

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/24924657.eustace-agrees-derby-deal-showdown-blackburn-talks/

Don't read the comments section, if you've any sanity left, it will drive you over the edge.  It's like prodding a painful tooth or bruise; I can't help myself, but have a read now and then.  I imagine the same idiots are bigging up Trump and Musk on Twitter(also a cesspit of fucking idiots these days).

 

Thank goodness for this forum, we do disagree, very often, but generally we are in agreement about who is the real enemy and want the best for Rovers.

Edited 12 hours ago by Dan

[Upside Down]

43 minutes ago, Dan said:

Don't read the comments section, if you've any sanity left, it will drive you over the edge.  It's like prodding a painful tooth or bruise; I can't help myself, but have a read now and then.  I imagine the same idiots are bigging up Trump and Musk on Twitter(also a cesspit of fucking idiots these days).

 

Thank goodness for this forum, we do disagree, very often, but generally we are in agreement about who is the real enemy and want the best for Rovers.

It's a triumph of modern science that these people have managed to make it beyond childhood.

I have never encountered such subhuman levels of cretinous stupidity as what can be found in the LET comment section.

It's really quiet dangerous that people who are so clearly lacking in mental ability are allowed out into the community.

Edited 11 hours ago by Upside Down

[A Northern Horde...]

Well what a Venkys inspired Clusterfuck...it just gets worse and worse.Its just unreal this.

When will Rovers fans speak up with a united  Voice against these feckers?

[Ossydave]

5 hours ago, 47er said:

He's gone and that's it. Wanted a new contract, which he deserved, wanted the players whose contracts were up to be offered new ones. Owners turned him down.

The players I agree on, we're just 'existing' at the moment and the loan players are like any business taking on 'seasonal temps' - it's obviously no way to run a football club!

Eustace though? I'm not sure about that, what's he actually done to deserve one? We did survive relegation by the skin of our teeth, but that was massively down to Szmodics. Granted he tightened the defence up a bit but it wasn't exactly a flawless first spell in charge.

This season how many games have we actually played well in, seriously? I haven't left many games thinking wow we looked amazing today. The winning streak was good and smoothed things over, being in the top 6 helps with that! However you don't get anything at all for being top 6 in Feb as we know. It's staggering we're somehow still there but teams around us will start ramping things up now as their Jan signings bed in.

So at this point, why did Eustace need a new contract? I didn't want him to go if I'm honest but he didn't need one till the end of the season when league position actually means something.

Also led to believe he was saying goodbyes to some of the staff at Brockhall on Friday (with a smirk on his face). Should have just let Johnson take charge on Sunday.

My views on the owners and especially Suhail are very clear and not defending them in any way, shape or form just to be clear. However, I don't believe the bullshit about being with his family that Eustace is coming out with. A championship manager spends a fair chunk of time on the road anyway when you factor in all the away games etc. JDT made a lot more of a commitment on that front!!!

Let's not forget we've won 2 games in the last 11, a new manager bounce now could actually be useful. We're in the hands of simpletons to get the appointment right like but a short term deal with a huge play off bonus is the way to do things, for now.

[A Northern Horde...]

Rooney on his way.

[USABlue]

47 minutes ago, A Northern Horde... said:

Rooney on his way.

Too exoensive I'd imagine.