Eustace…GONE

[the original david brent]

58 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Facebookers blaming Eustace for this claiming he wanted more.  Saying he got the players he wanted and this is down to Eustace.  Bunch of bellends

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

different clubs have different ways or different structures. Some head coaches have more of a say in recruitment then others. 

Reading between the lines Eustace wants more of a say than ever and he wanted certain types. Also I think he was promised when being interview for the job more of a say in recruitment then he got. 

Eustace wanted experienced Championship players in the summer and winter windows, yes he got some of his targets but others he didn't. He wanted Cooper but couldn't agree a deal, or Dembele who he wanted but others didn't want him. I think its clear that Eustace, Park, Owen and Gestede was never in line in terms of what we want, target markets, and who the targets should be. I think we seen a power struggle between Eustace and Park vs Gestede and Owen on transfer targets and we seen both sides have successes and failures. When you look at the January window aswell articles from Elliott Jackson in the last 2 days plus Nixon's articles and comments on the power struggle since the summer, Its seems Eustace had his own targets and I don't think he got any of them. He did refer to Karbgo signing as the club signing which seems to me he wasn't in favour of him coming in and probably thinking why didn't we sign Dembele instead. He was clearly unhappy with the slowest January Window and the fact we didn't sign his own targets. Rovers management clearly think they have bought in players with experience he wanted and think they have delivered what he wanted. I can see their point but looking at it from Eustace point of view, he clearly unimpressed with the lateness of the signings and short term nature of the signings plus I don't think Dennis and Woodrow was his own targets. I don't think he really wanted them either but accept them reluctantly. I also think Eustace knew that Derby job might come available and what their terms were being offered cos Derby wouldn't have approach us unless they knew Eustace would come. 

I think it is utter bizarre that this issue wasn't sorted on Sunday afternoon/evening post game and Eustace even gave them a chance to keep him and offered him a new contract and assurances he wanted. The Rovers management wouldn't give him what he wanted, so John Eustace has said he wanted to go Derby cos he has got the assurances he wanted over budget, contract, influence on transfer policy which will be what John Eustace will say are his reasons whilst Rovers management will say that they couldn't agree to John Eustace terms cos that doesn't fit the club management structure and transfer policy. 

Eustace clearly now felt all summer till now that what he signed up and what he was promised wasn't what was delivered but he delivered Rovers a good hard working team that is 6th but he feels that going to Derby is a better fit for him and his management ways. 

I am gutted we lose him, Gardiner and Downing but Rovers management team could have stopped all this and give him what he wanted. I didn't expected them to cos then they look weak. 

Its a mess and one that didn't need to happened. 

So, its now over to them to bring in a new head coach and assistant to work with Johnson, Lowe and Benson. He has a good overall squad and any new appointment need to hit the ground running. I would also say that it is important that any new head coach gets a good working relationship with Travis and get him on side. Also it is important that Rovers secure the future of Travis, Tronstad, Hyam and Brittain for the future of the team and club. overt to the Rovers management team to deliver. 

When we decided to go for a director of football type approach, I remember saying that there are risks/downsides. Notably players being signed that the head coach doesnt want, internal fighting, disagreements etc and that those risks would only be increased at a club as dysfunctional as ours. You dismissed me out of hand as being negative.

This always felt inevitable.

[Hasta]

9 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

Which part of JE's departure exactly is 'not washing with you' ?

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Hasta

[Old Codger]

4 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

Honesty, transparency, self-awareness and responsibility to self.

Nice to see those values back on our board again, although unfortunately it is this message board, and not the one that counts in the decisions taken in relation to OUR club. 

[booth]

12 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

More damning stats for our useless Overlords.

Get them out ASAP.

The company's chairman Anuradha J Desai said: "We don't need to buy expensive players, we can always lease them. "

[lraC]

40 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

Sport on, couldn’t agree more. The sooner the spotlight and heat is turned on Suhail Pasha, the sooner we have a chance of ridding him and his paymasters from our club.

Pasha has to be the focus.

I priced some masks up last year and was prepared to pay for a few and a few people on here, also agreed to chip in and get some too.

I think the consensus on here at the time, was not to do it and I respected that, so dropped the idea. Happy to price it up again, as this could be a way of outing him, but of course it would need some press attention and some exposure to explain it was a way of outing the shadow man, not to hail him, as a hero or something.

All together now pasha is a ****** Pasha is a ****** la, la, la la.

[roverandout]

9 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

Maybe bellends is harsh but they've certainly got their heads in the sand 

[martonrover]

4 minutes ago, lraC said:

Pasha has to be the focus.

I priced some masks up last year and was prepared to pay for a few and a few people on here, also agreed to chip in and get some too.

I think the consensus on here at the time, was not to do it and I respected that, so dropped the idea. Happy to price it up again, as this could be a way of outing him, but of course it would need some press attention and some exposure to explain it was a way of outing the shadow man, not to hail him, as a hero or something.

All together now pasha is a ****** Pasha is a ****** la, la, la la.

May I suggest a large male 'member' as part of the mask, so no-one thinks we are his fan club 😉 

Edited 4 hours ago by martonrover

[booth]

12 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

Whatever anyone thinks of Eustace it's a side issue.

[Norbert Rassragr]

I'm sick of the Quislings backing the owners on social media. If they're real people and not bots or Burnley fans, then they have no right to call themselves Rovers fans. Boot licking half wits.

[arbitro]

9 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

I haven't seen Eustace quoted anywhere as saying him living in the Midlands was a problem, in fact up until the weekend I didn't know any Rovers fan who was aware of this. I think this has been perpetuated as a myth to justify the likes of Jordan who likes to be a contrarian.

And this has been seized upon by some Rovers fans As a stick to beat him with.

[MarkBRFC]

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I haven't seen Eustace quoted anywhere as saying him living in the Midlands was a problem, in fact up until the weekend I didn't know any Rovers fan who was aware of this.

He mentioned it in passing in his last interview after the Wolves game when asked about the Derby job.

Dropped it in quite cleverly knowing that it can be used as the excuse for going, but he certainly didn't complain about it like Mowbray did every other week.

[Forever Blue]

19 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

Bellends may be difficult to swallow, but it is an apt description of those with an ‘alternative view’, or delusional  nonsense as it’s better known.

Edited 4 hours ago by Forever Blue

[martonrover]

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I think this has been perpetuated as a myth to justify the likes of Jordan who likes to be a contrarian.

Agreed, this is like the Sky pundits slaughtering us during the Kean era.

Jordan knows absolutely nothing about the situation at Rovers, unlike Henry Winter, who is passing informed comment.

Your average TalkShite listener will be happy to run with the myth.

[martonrover]

2 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

He mentioned it in passing in his last interview after the Wolves game when asked about the Derby job.

Dropped it in quite cleverly knowing that it can be used as the excuse for going, but he certainly didn't complain about it like Mowbray did every other week.

It's like when someone leaves any job.

They will come up with a reason for mass consumption, and which is politically sensitive, but those closer to the person would know the real reasons.

[the original david brent]

6 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Which part of JE's departure exactly is 'not washing with you' ?

 

The fact that there was hardly a queue for him when he came to us, and we gave him a chance.

The fact his stock has risen with us.

The fact he’s peddled out the family issue when there’s reports he’s been sounding out other jobs no closer to Birmingham, and Derby is hardly next door to Brum.

The fact he has given the impression to the fans that it’s one happy camp. ‘We are all in this together’ etc

The fact he’s dumping us when we are in 6th position, and still have a reasonable shout of play offs.

The fact he has clearly had serious conversations with Derby when his focus should have been on the cup match.

The bit about him asking for extended contract to try and save face with the fans is garbage. Even if there’s truth that he asked for it, he was going to Derby the moment they suddenly sacked Warne.

The fact that regardless of reports, he must have had an input in at least some of the signings. Dion Sanderson has literally followed him around! 
 

Apart from that his departure washes really well! 
 

I am staggered that some of your hatred for Venky’s is blinding any culpability on behalf of Eustace in this. I also repeat that I am no fan of Venky’s! 

[the original david brent]

12 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Bellends may be difficult to swallow, but it is an apt description of those with an ‘alternative view’, or delusional  nonsense as it’s better known.

I don’t think it’s delusional nonsense to attribute some significant blame onto Eustace for this! You do realise it is possible to not like Venky’s, Waggott and the general running of the club, but also think that Eustace has stitched up the famous club of Blackburn Rovers, the players who have done well this season and the fans who’ve really backed him. 

Edited 4 hours ago by the original david brent

[wilsdenrover]

9 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Bellends may be difficult to swallow, but it is an apt description of those with an ‘alternative view’, or delusional  nonsense as it’s better known.

[RTM08]

3 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

I don’t think it’s delusional nonsense to attribute some significant blame onto Eustace for this! You do realise it is possible to not like Venky’s, Waggott and the general running of the club, but also think that Eustace has stitched up the famous club of Blackburn Rovers, the players who have done well this season and the fans who’ve really backed him. 

I saw someone say "time to get a manager in who can solve the annual post Christmas slump".

If it happens under 3 different managers in a row, it's probably no the manager that is the problem! Absolute planks.

That said, no side comes out of this come out clean, apart from the fans, who are put through the ringer again.

Edited 4 hours ago by RTM08

[Bronzed A Donis]

7 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

I think it's fair to question the timing of it, but the door to leave is open when it's open. He has to take that chance, you may feel betrayed by Eustace , I don't that, I think the betrayal came first to him and to us, pure speculation though. 

For years we've stated what idiot would work for these and then when one says he doesn't want to and looks for a way out I don't think he should chastised, but perhaps I'm more apathetic towards this now. 

You could argue as it happened 12 months ago and he benefitted  from it, he knew exactly what he was getting into...

Ultimately , all fans need one thing, Venkys Out .

[Mike E]

33 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

I don’t think it makes you a bellend, but I completely understand the position Eustace is in from an employment POV.

Supervision reneging on assurances is the most common reason anyone leaves any job. He is no different.

[booth]

1 minute ago, the original david brent said:

I don’t think it’s delusional nonsense to attribute some significant blame onto Eustace for this! You do realise it is possible to not like Venky’s, Waggott and the general running of the club, but also think that Eustace has stitched up the famous club of Blackburn Rovers, the players who have done well this season and the fans who’ve really backed him. 

Being angry at Eustace is pointless. He's left because Venkys and their underlings are fucking useless and they deserve every bit of the flak.

Imagine your work environment and colleagues being that shite that you're leaving a sixth place club for one in 22nd place. Imagine the likes of Waggott and a smug cunt called Suhail who has no clue about football constantly sticking a spoke in the wheels. Oh I forget, we don't need to imagine that one because it happens every fucking year!

[neophox]

3 hours ago, roverblue said:

Reading the article from Elliot Jackson it seems like there has been some toxicity behind the scenes since the summer. I trust his words more than the propaganda from the club and toads like Nixon.

If Eustace really has been putting his name out for every job going (including Preston?!?) then he needs to take some responsibility as well. Neither the club nor him now coming out of this looking particularly good.

If its true he wanted to go to Preston then thats poor.

[JHRover]

22 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

The fact that there was hardly a queue for him when he came to us, and we gave him a chance.

The fact his stock has risen with us.

The fact he’s peddled out the family issue when there’s reports he’s been sounding out other jobs no closer to Birmingham, and Derby is hardly next door to Brum.

The fact he has given the impression to the fans that it’s one happy camp. ‘We are all in this together’ etc

The fact he’s dumping us when we are in 6th position, and still have a reasonable shout of play offs.

The fact he has clearly had serious conversations with Derby when his focus should have been on the cup match.

The bit about him asking for extended contract to try and save face with the fans is garbage. Even if there’s truth that he asked for it, he was going to Derby the moment they suddenly sacked Warne.

The fact that regardless of reports, he must have had an input in at least some of the signings. Dion Sanderson has literally followed him around! 
 

Apart from that his departure washes really well! 
 

I am staggered that some of your hatred for Venky’s is blinding any culpability on behalf of Eustace in this. I also repeat that I am no fan of Venky’s! 

What do you think caused all these 'facts' that you have listed?

Do you genuinely think he's just decided to drop a side in the top 6 the week after another pathetic transfer window closed to go and have another relegation battle for the fun of it? Or perhaps he has been forced into jumping ship, like JDT was, due to intolerable conditions brought about by the worst owners in English football?

[Hasta]

27 minutes ago, the original david brent said:

The fact that there was hardly a queue for him when he came to us, and we gave him a chance.

The fact his stock has risen with us.

The fact he’s peddled out the family issue when there’s reports he’s been sounding out other jobs no closer to Birmingham, and Derby is hardly next door to Brum.

The fact he has given the impression to the fans that it’s one happy camp. ‘We are all in this together’ etc

The fact he’s dumping us when we are in 6th position, and still have a reasonable shout of play offs.

The fact he has clearly had serious conversations with Derby when his focus should have been on the cup match.

The bit about him asking for extended contract to try and save face with the fans is garbage. Even if there’s truth that he asked for it, he was going to Derby the moment they suddenly sacked Warne.

The fact that regardless of reports, he must have had an input in at least some of the signings. Dion Sanderson has literally followed him around! 
 

Apart from that his departure washes really well! 
 

I am staggered that some of your hatred for Venky’s is blinding any culpability on behalf of Eustace in this. I also repeat that I am no fan of Venky’s! 

I'd taken your 'not washing with me' line to mean you don't believe him.

Now I agree on the family reasons line. That's bullshit. 

But its blindingly obvious that he doesn't feel the club have done what they said they would do regarding investment and transfer, and that he feels that Derby would be a better place to work despite their league position than continue working with Waggot/Suhail and these owners.

That's the truth. Jackson, who never rocks the boat at Ewood, is reporting it as blunt as can be. 

It's the same reasons we heard from JDT. It's the same reasons Lambert was leaving us 9 years ago.

You may well believe that actually he got enough support (Sanderson!), but he obviously feels he hasn't otherwise he wouldn't be off. 

14 players out of contract in the summer. No contracts renewed since 2023. No guarantees that we will spend anything to replace those players. 1 year deals for journeymen. Free transfers in on 6 months deals. Loans. No proven quality brought in. No guarantees the financial situation will change.

It's practically an impossible job for a coach to keep moving this club forward. That's why he's left.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hasta