Eustace…GONE

[Herbie6590]

1 minute ago, miqaayil said:

they don't have a printer ...its the good ol fax

There’s your problem…the fax isn’t Bluetooth enabled…

[Old Codger]

1 hour ago, booth said:

Being angry at Eustace is pointless. He's left because Venkys and their underlings are fucking useless and they deserve every bit of the flak.

Imagine your work environment and colleagues being that shite that you're leaving a sixth place club for one in 22nd place. Imagine the likes of Waggott and a smug cunt called Suhail who has no clue about football constantly sticking a spoke in the wheels. Oh I forget, we don't need to imagine that one because it happens every fucking year!

well said that man!!

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

6 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Waggott did a classic knee-jerk when binning JDT saying basically that he was reverting to more old school approach. He then went for the closest thing to Mowbray available at that time & struck lucky IMO.

When Eustace proved less malleable than Tone, the problems highlighted by Elliott & Nixon started…

Just going to show our busted flush agent of a CEO doesn’t know the first thing about organizational alignment. Zero chance any appointment will work out.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Exiled in Toronto Mk2 said:

One aspect that has slipped under the radar is why, when “the model” (that I think we all pretty much agreed with) necessitated a grow, develop and sell approach, did Waggott go and appoint a manager who prefers signing old lags to the point of resigning when he isn’t allowed to sign all of them? Doomed from the start.

The model left with Broughton. It's been about scrimping and saving until the next bill is due since then.

Edited 4 hours ago by Exiled_Rover

[yankfan]

While the long term perspective of Rovers is poor, the short term should be an exciting opportunity for out of work managers. Taking a short term contract for a play off push and possible promotion you would think could attract better candidates than we’ve had in the past. No one in their right mind would sign on for more than the current campaign, but for 15 matches we should be able to get a quality manager. 

[SuperBrfc]

Simon Jordan's whole basis for blaming Eustace is underpinned by two of his own bugbears when he was a club owner:

1) Gratitude

2) Entitlement

He's always harping on about managers and players needing to be grateful. "Be grateful" (sounds familiar). In this instance, he has both today and yesterday reiterated that "Eustace should be grateful to Blackburn for giving him an opportunity".

This is a generic point made by Jordan who knows NOTHING about what has gone on here over the past 14 years. If he had any clue how this lot operate, he would not be calling Eustace out on the basis of gratitude.

Secondly, he's often laying into players and managers for being 'entitled'. Doesn't matter which club or player it is, he has done this multiple times. Again, he has personal scars from his club ownership days, which he is, IMO, wrongly applying to Eustace based on nothing but "my nose says".

He is making out, based on nothing but a guess, that Eustace got too big for his boots, didn't get what he wanted and therefore scarpered.

These views are a problem in our cause to have the Rovers fans unite against the real issue. Why? Because there are already some Rovers fans that have listened to Jordan's views who have decided he must be right because he was a former club owner. He knows better than us, therefore Eustace is an ungrateful snake.

His views are based on nothing but his "nose for these things". He needs to stfu and stop applying his own personal grievances with players/managers from yesteryear into this matter. He's unintentionally feeding the anti Eustace narrative and backing the owners.

He hasn't got a clue what has been going on at Rovers since late 2010.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think we all knew that his family hadn't moved here and he was living in a hotel here. 

He was very clever to drop the family card post game 

 

Weimann and McFadzean were his signings aswell as Cantwell? wasn't Sanderson his signing? 

I didn't know until Saturday.

Your second sentence is quite damming for somebody who wouldn't have a word said against Eustace until yesterday.

[davulsukur]

Waggotts mouthpiece really earning his corn with deflecting the blame onto Eustace here. Loads of people on Twitter kicking off about JE applying for other jobs and getting players he wanted but still ditching us, all off the back of Nixon's latest ramblings.

[vyeo]

This time last year, the whole JDT incident was so depressing. This time, I'm just feeling so drained.

No one comes out of this with any credit.

Not Eustace. I didn't like Eustace when he took over last year. In particular, I thought his lines touting togetherness were soundbites carried over from JDT, and his stuff on the pitch wasn't exactly good either. We were lucky to stay up. As this season went on, the results came against the odds. Eustace was clearly better than useless. The football is not easy on the eye, but it worked, and you start to think he believes his stuff on togetherness. I have not commented much this year because I didn't really warm to him. He felt a little distant even during the good run, not quite as invested as season 1 JDT. It is clear now that he only saw us as an opportunity to keep himself relevant. After all that talk and actual good work building the team, he has really shat on us by leaving at this time, under these circumstances. 

Not Venky's. Why are they still here?? When I look at our circumstances professionally/unemotionally, I understand the difficulties and macro-challenges in running the club. The economics are not in our favour, and from that lens, one could even logically explain away some decisions on the lack of investment. I do not agree with the approach, I am not happy about it as a fan, I think more can be done to push the envelope, but I can sympathise to some extent about the challenging environment.

But the neglect is unforgiveable. As owners, you need to at the very least set some direction (even if we may not agree with it), communicate with your leadership team and the fans, at least occasionally. It feels like they have simply given up or are wishing us away. But if that's the case, why hold on and reject reported enquiries about a sale? 

This leads us to the two goons running the club. Venky's may be the root cause, but there is no doubt in my mind that Maggot and Suhail are the cancers ruining the club. I wish someone can tell us what the relationship is between Venky's and them - are they given a set budget and told to do their best? Or are they actively advising Venky's on what to do? Whichever the case, having absentee owners mean dumb and dumber have an outsized influence on outcomes - they effectively set the club's direction and culture. If they act like a professional CEO and COO, set higher standards from the top, be more open with the manager and fans, it would go someway to alleviating this pain. But we have seen nothing from them that suggests that they are able to do so - expectations and standards are low, nothing is done creatively to maximise impact etc. 

Under them, the club feels like its dying a slow death. And what makes me so angry and frustrated, is that it need not be like that. The championship is so open as the last two seasons have shown - all you need is one good season, and we could be in a position to reset. I don't know how we'll do now - it's improbable but not impossible that with the right appointment, we could still have a go at the play-offs. But equally, the wrong guy could hasten our demise. It's always the hope that kills you. Just waiting for them to appoint Rudy as the interim coach now.  

[Forever Blue]

2 hours ago, the original david brent said:

I don’t think it’s delusional nonsense to attribute some significant blame onto Eustace for this! You do realise it is possible to not like Venky’s, Waggott and the general running of the club, but also think that Eustace has stitched up the famous club of Blackburn Rovers, the players who have done well this season and the fans who’ve really backed him. 

If you want to look at the symptom and not the cause then you do you! He’s leaving because he wasn’t supported. Just like JDT and just like the next manager (probably). That doesn’t equate to stitching up Rovers. Quite the opposite.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, the original david brent said:

Why is anyone with the alternative view a bellend? I’m no fan of Venky’s nor Waggott etc. However I’m with Simon Jordan on this! My finger is pointing at Eustace more so than the ownership on this one - and it will remain that way unless Eustace is actually going to say something.
If Eustace was so unhappy with the running of the club then he should have told us. JDT did so at least and his departure came as no surprise. Eustace has orchestrated a move away on the eve of an fa cup 4th round match, whilst bleating on about togetherness with the fans. It’s not washing with me. If that makes me a bellend then so be it.

 

I cant believe anyone with full possession of the facts is attributing any blame whatsoever to Eustace on this.

Simon Jordan whist normally extremely intelligent and articulate clearly hasnt done much research on this particular matter, is taking a particular position for the purposes of a lively radio debate, and seems not fully aware of just how much worse the position has got at the Club in the last couple of years (if that were humanly possible).

The point I think everyone is missing when they say "he's shafted the players" that the Club agreed to him having a release clause in his contract therefore he's perfectly entitled to leave after a week if he wants if someone comes in and meets the release clause. If he does well here then its 100% up to the Club to keep him happy, satisfied and not wanting to leave.

Instead it would appear he had promises broken to him in the summer after keeping us up and that he was only appeased at the last minute and that he was also promised (genuine) backing for January which once again didnt materialise.

One top of that you've got the dire situation regarding players' contracts,  staff walking out in general virtually every other week including a head scout who's left and hasnt been replaced and the recent loss of the Academy head amidst rumours the Academy is to be downgraded.

I dont blame him for one moment for leaving, I admire him for sticking to his guns. For those complainining about him leaving us in the lurch just remember that when we're struggling to field a competitive squad of 18 players on a matchday from the start of next season. And if the players are feeling let down by him I hope they're reminded fairly quickly he was actually batting for them and trying to obtain some clarity and security for them.

To think many people complained about him being "Waggott's puppet" when he came in. Now many are complaining because he stood up for himself and the players.

Can't have it both ways.

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, vyeo said:

This time last year, the whole JDT incident was so depressing. This time, I'm just feeling so drained.

No one comes out of this with any credit.

Not Eustace. I didn't like Eustace when he took over last year. In particular, I thought his lines touting togetherness were soundbites carried over from JDT, and his stuff on the pitch wasn't exactly good either. We were lucky to stay up. As this season went on, the results came against the odds. Eustace was clearly better than useless. The football is not easy on the eye, but it worked, and you start to think he believes his stuff on togetherness. I have not commented much this year because I didn't really warm to him. He felt a little distant even during the good run, not quite as invested as season 1 JDT. It is clear now that he only saw us as an opportunity to keep himself relevant. After all that talk and actual good work building the team, he has really shat on us by leaving at this time, under these circumstances. 

Not Venky's. Why are they still here?? When I look at our circumstances professionally/unemotionally, I understand the difficulties and macro-challenges in running the club. The economics are not in our favour, and from that lens, one could even logically explain away some decisions on the lack of investment. I do not agree with the approach, I am not happy about it as a fan, I think more can be done to push the envelope, but I can sympathise to some extent about the challenging environment.

But the neglect is unforgiveable. As owners, you need to at the very least set some direction (even if we may not agree with it), communicate with your leadership team and the fans, at least occasionally. It feels like they have simply given up or are wishing us away. But if that's the case, why hold on and reject reported enquiries about a sale? 

This leads us to the two goons running the club. Venky's may be the root cause, but there is no doubt in my mind that Maggot and Suhail are the cancers ruining the club. I wish someone can tell us what the relationship is between Venky's and them - are they given a set budget and told to do their best? Or are they actively advising Venky's on what to do? Whichever the case, having absentee owners mean dumb and dumber have an outsized influence on outcomes - they effectively set the club's direction and culture. If they act like a professional CEO and COO, set higher standards from the top, be more open with the manager and fans, it would go someway to alleviating this pain. But we have seen nothing from them that suggests that they are able to do so - expectations and standards are low, nothing is done creatively to maximise impact etc. 

Under them, the club feels like its dying a slow death. And what makes me so angry and frustrated, is that it need not be like that. The championship is so open as the last two seasons have shown - all you need is one good season, and we could be in a position to reset. I don't know how we'll do now - it's improbable but not impossible that with the right appointment, we could still have a go at the play-offs. But equally, the wrong guy could hasten our demise. It's always the hope that kills you. Just waiting for them to appoint Rudy as the interim coach now.  

Dont agree with your views on Eustace.

100% agree on Waggott and Pasha only they arent "Dumb and Dumber" they know exactly what they're doing imo.

[M_B]

1 minute ago, Forever Blue said:

If you want to look at the symptom and not the cause then you do you! He’s leaving because he wasn’t supported. Just like JDT and just like the next manager (probably). That doesn’t equate to stitching up Rovers. Quite the opposite.

It does make me wonder if our  form falling off a cliff, and his heart obviously not being in the job whilst applying for anything going, are somehow linked.

[Waggy76]

24 minutes ago, yankfan said:

While the long term perspective of Rovers is poor, the short term should be an exciting opportunity for out of work managers. Taking a short term contract for a play off push and possible promotion you would think could attract better candidates than we’ve had in the past. No one in their right mind would sign on for more than the current campaign, but for 15 matches we should be able to get a quality manager. 

Highly unlikely! 

The club is rotten to the Core! 

[Aqualung]

31 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Simon Jordan's whole basis for blaming Eustace is underpinned by two of his own bugbears when he was a club owner:

1) Gratitude

2) Entitlement

He's always harping on about managers and players needing to be grateful. "Be grateful" (sounds familiar). In this instance, he has both today and yesterday reiterated that "Eustace should be grateful to Blackburn for giving him an opportunity".

This is a generic point made by Jordan who knows NOTHING about what has gone on here over the past 14 years. If he had any clue how this lot operate, he would not be calling Eustace out on the basis of gratitude.

Secondly, he's often laying into players and managers for being 'entitled'. Doesn't matter which club or player it is, he has done this multiple times. Again, he has personal scars from his club ownership days, which he is, IMO, wrongly applying to Eustace based on nothing but "my nose says".

He is making out, based on nothing but a guess, that Eustace got too big for his boots, didn't get what he wanted and therefore scarpered.

These views are a problem in our cause to have the Rovers fans unite against the real issue. Why? Because there are already some Rovers fans that have listened to Jordan's views who have decided he must be right because he was a former club owner. He knows better than us, therefore Eustace is an ungrateful snake.

His views are based on nothing but his "nose for these things". He needs to stfu and stop applying his own personal grievances with players/managers from yesteryear into this matter. He's unintentionally feeding the anti Eustace narrative and backing the owners.

He hasn't got a clue what has been going on at Rovers since late 2010.

Good post. 

I've listened to Jordan.... And he summises a lot. The only thing I agree with him on is the need to be nearer family shite. 

For a pro manager that's a child's excuse. He knew the score when he took the job and it's not like he lived in another country which many managers have to endure. 

Piss weak for a pro. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

When we decided to go for a director of football type approach, I remember saying that there are risks/downsides. Notably players being signed that the head coach doesnt want, internal fighting, disagreements etc and that those risks would only be increased at a club as dysfunctional as ours. You dismissed me out of hand as being negative.

This always felt inevitable.

I've been waiting for you to something similar to me since Yesterday. 

The problem with your post is that you don't mentioned that Eustace was promised the £5m in the summer that GB tried to buy McGuire with in previous winter window when being offered the job and negotiations to become our next head coach. 

Then factoring in that GB and Kimberley plus other recruitment staff left before the summer. We appointed John Park, Rudy Gestede and Adam Owen into 3 different roles but all having a say into transfers and who we targets and possible targets during the summer. From what we know we had a transfer committee deciding who we went for during the summer, so normally and naturally you different opinions, different targets suggestions, disagreements and comparisons needed which is what we witnessed all the summer. No way, did Eustace wants or suggest Ohashi or Gueye or Toth as transfer targets but I think its safe to say that Batth, Weimann and Cantwell were his targets. Its clear to see Eustace wanted Dembele or Stansfield but gone neither. As I said, I think we witness a power struggle as such between Eustace and Park vs Gestede and Owen in the summer over signings. Both sides have successes and failures.  Just to add that if me and you were in charge of making signings we would have different targets and spend the money so comparison and agreement will always need to happen just like Klopp did when he wanted Julian Brandt but his recruitment staff wanted and suggested Mo Salah. They convince Klopp to backed their judgement and Liverpool signed Mo Salah and looked at the success he been. 

Moving on to the January transfer window, Thinks its clear Eustace wanted Rovers to spend money and early in the window. We know he had his transfer targets for the number 9 position which was McBurnie, Bamford and Thomas-Asante. He expected Rovers management back him and signed one of those. We didn't. Eustace is big on Championship experience and That's doesn't align with Rovers budget. Rovers did signed 5 players with experience of English football but all either loans or short term contracts. I don't think any apart from Sanderson was his choice, with that I think Karbgo, Dennis and Ribeiro all have more than decent games against Wolves. 

I also think Eustace was unhappy we didn't invest more of the Szmodics money in the either transfer window and also lack of contract renewals of key players like Hyam, Brittain, Tronstad and Travis. 

So in short didn't have a simple director of football/head coach structure but an over complicated structure with more voices than ever with 4 or 5 people involved 

[SuperBrfc]

17 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Waggotts mouthpiece really earning his corn with deflecting the blame onto Eustace here. Loads of people on Twitter kicking off about JE applying for other jobs and getting players he wanted but still ditching us, all off the back of Nixon's latest ramblings.

Him and Jordan combined have done a sterling job in taking some of the heat away from where it should be.

The good thing is, not everybody is going to be swayed by that and we have people like Henry Winter in our corner.

[roverandout]

Henry winter is the only journalist who backs our corner every time.  He gets alot of shit on other sites but he's the best English journalist out there

[vyeo]

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Dont agree with your views on Eustace.

100% agree on Waggott and Pasha only they arent "Dumb and Dumber" they know exactly what they're doing imo.

I know what you mean re Eustace - I'm conflicted myself. I landed on a more negative take because I think he has acted solely for himself. As the boss, and someone who by all accounts enjoys a strong relationship with the team, how are the players to think with how he has acted? I don't think he owes anything to Maggot and Suhail, but I'm old-school in that I think he has some leadership obligation to the players to lead them through the season and see how far they can go. I would have had a very different take if he had seen the season out and left in the summer.

Even with the most sympathetic reading of his comments re Derby, he was minimally trying to use it to leverage something for himself. Some part of that may be noble and justified, but I doubt that was his intent. Eustace is not stupid - he would have burnt the Derby bridge, and he must also have known that simply naming he-who-must-not-be-named Suhail in public was enough to seal his departure. 

[bluebruce]

It occurred to me today...Mowbray left because we wouldn't offer him a new contract. JDT left because we wouldn't back him in the transfer market when we had a real chance of promotion.

Venkys have excelled themselves this time, and made a manager leave for both reasons at the same time.

The chicken chokers are absolutely immune to learning lessons. If they run us for another 20 years, it will all still be the same in 20 years.

[Forever Blue]

16 minutes ago, M_B said:

It does make me wonder if our  form falling off a cliff, and his heart obviously not being in the job whilst applying for anything going, are somehow linked.

Thats straight out of the Waggott playbook.
 

It’s more down to the injuries to key men and lack of squad depth. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Forever Blue said:

Thats straight out of the Waggott playbook.
 

It’s more down to the injuries to key men and lack of squad depth. 

We’d half a team missing at one point. We did well to lose games by the odd goal and not get hammered.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

It occurred to me today...Mowbray left because we wouldn't offer him a new contract. JDT left because we wouldn't back him in the transfer market when we had a real chance of promotion.

Venkys have excelled themselves this time, and made a manager leave for both reasons at the same time.

The chicken chokers are absolutely immune to learning lessons. If they run us for another 20 years, it will all still be the same in 20 years.

They don’t learn because they aren’t looking to learn. They couldn’t care less.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, vyeo said:

I know what you mean re Eustace - I'm conflicted myself. I landed on a more negative take because I think he has acted solely for himself. As the boss, and someone who by all accounts enjoys a strong relationship with the team, how are the players to think with how he has acted? I don't think he owes anything to Maggot and Suhail, but I'm old-school in that I think he has some leadership obligation to the players to lead them through the season and see how far they can go. I would have had a very different take if he had seen the season out and left in the summer.

Even with the most sympathetic reading of his comments re Derby, he was minimally trying to use it to leverage something for himself. Some part of that may be noble and justified, but I doubt that was his intent. Eustace is not stupid - he would have burnt the Derby bridge, and he must also have known that simply naming he-who-must-not-be-named Suhail in public was enough to seal his departure. 

It'll be curious how they view it, but to me I'd just go into the room and say:

"everyone in this room bar Kargbo and Buckley [pointed look at Buckley for being a lucky, lucky boy] has 18 months or less on their contract. I've repeatedly tried to get the Board and the owners to extend player contracts. They've steadfastly refused. 

I can't work under these circumstances. I'm trying to build something here and those above me are actively working against me. I appreciate that we won't all see eye to eye on this. For those that disagree with my actions here, I apologise and I thank you for the blood, sweat and tears you've shed for the team. For those that do agree with me, I may be signing you for Derby in July". 

 

[Exiled_Rover]

6 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

It occurred to me today...Mowbray left because we wouldn't offer him a new contract. JDT left because we wouldn't back him in the transfer market when we had a real chance of promotion.

Venkys have excelled themselves this time, and made a manager leave for both reasons at the same time.

The chicken chokers are absolutely immune to learning lessons. If they run us for another 20 years, it will all still be the same in 20 years.

They literally wouldn't speak to Mowbray. It was bizarre.