Eustace…GONE

[roverandout]

There are actually posters on Facebook who are saying Waggott is doing a good job because he's brought millions in and that venkys have learned from their mistakes.  Ffs I give up. We're truly in the shit when our own supporters are so fucking blind.  We've no chance of getting our club back. We're truly up shit creek with no paddle

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I've been waiting for you to something similar to me since Yesterday. 

The problem with your post is that you don't mentioned that Eustace was promised the £5m in the summer that GB tried to buy McGuire with in previous winter window when being offered the job and negotiations to become our next head coach. 

Then factoring in that GB and Kimberley plus other recruitment staff left before the summer. We appointed John Park, Rudy Gestede and Adam Owen into 3 different roles but all having a say into transfers and who we targets and possible targets during the summer. From what we know we had a transfer committee deciding who we went for during the summer, so normally and naturally you different opinions, different targets suggestions, disagreements and comparisons needed which is what we witnessed all the summer. No way, did Eustace wants or suggest Ohashi or Gueye or Toth as transfer targets but I think its safe to say that Batth, Weimann and Cantwell were his targets. Its clear to see Eustace wanted Dembele or Stansfield but gone neither. As I said, I think we witness a power struggle as such between Eustace and Park vs Gestede and Owen in the summer over signings. Both sides have successes and failures.  Just to add that if me and you were in charge of making signings we would have different targets and spend the money so comparison and agreement will always need to happen just like Klopp did when he wanted Julian Brandt but his recruitment staff wanted and suggested Mo Salah. They convince Klopp to backed their judgement and Liverpool signed Mo Salah and looked at the success he been. 

Moving on to the January transfer window, Thinks its clear Eustace wanted Rovers to spend money and early in the window. We know he had his transfer targets for the number 9 position which was McBurnie, Bamford and Thomas-Asante. He expected Rovers management back him and signed one of those. We didn't. Eustace is big on Championship experience and That's doesn't align with Rovers budget. Rovers did signed 5 players with experience of English football but all either loans or short term contracts. I don't think any apart from Sanderson was his choice, with that I think Karbgo, Dennis and Ribeiro all have more than decent games against Wolves. 

I also think Eustace was unhappy we didn't invest more of the Szmodics money in the either transfer window and also lack of contract renewals of key players like Hyam, Brittain, Tronstad and Travis. 

So in short didn't have a simple director of football/head coach structure but an over complicated structure with more voices than ever with 4 or 5 people involved 

“ A Camel is a Horse designed by a committee “.

[chaddyrovers]

39 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I didn't know until Saturday.

Fair enough. I think it was well known that

39 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Your second sentence is quite damming for somebody who wouldn't have a word said against Eustace until yesterday.

I wouldn't agree its damming but as soon as I heard him say that I thought he is laying the foundations for the reasons why he wants out and using that as one plus he will say his lack of transfer say and lack of long term planning at Rovers for the reasons from moving on and going to derby. 

I don't blame Eustace but Rovers should have spend more and differently in both window. If we buying Karbgo for around £1m why didn't they not backed Eustace's choice of Dembele for example. Or why did we buy Toth instead of spending an extra 200/300k to get Jeffery De Lange as first choice keeper with Pears as number 2 or even selling him and signing Begovic as number 2. So I'm sure we would have all spent the money differently or signed different players given the choice. 

In January, we should have spent money and buy some players and long term contracts. Instead we chosen a short term approach instead of thinking of any medium to long term approach which is worry to be honest

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Fair enough. I think it was well known that

I wouldn't agree its damming but as soon as I heard him say that I thought he is laying the foundations for the reasons why he wants out and using that as one plus he will say his lack of transfer say and lack of long term planning at Rovers for the reasons from moving on and going to derby. 

I don't blame Eustace but Rovers should have spend more and differently in both window. If we buying Karbgo for around £1m why didn't they not backed Eustace's choice of Dembele for example. Or why did we buy Toth instead of spending an extra 200/300k to get Jeffery De Lange as first choice keeper with Pears as number 2 or even selling him and signing Begovic as number 2. So I'm sure we would have all spent the money differently or signed different players given the choice. 

In January, we should have spent money and buy some players and long term contracts. Instead we chosen a short term approach instead of thinking of any medium to long term approach which is worry to be honest

So are you finally admitting our January transfer window was shit?

[neophox]

If we want a push for the playoffs. If we somehow can persuade Steve Cooper to come I would give him the £500.000 collected from Eustace transfer as a bonus if he gets us to the Premier League.

Edited 3 hours ago by neophox

[Mike E]

16 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It'll be curious how they view it, but to me I'd just go into the room and say:

"everyone in this room bar Kargbo and Buckley [pointed look at Buckley for being a lucky, lucky boy] has 18 months or less on their contract. I've repeatedly tried to get the Board and the owners to extend player contracts. They've steadfastly refused. 

I can't work under these circumstances. I'm trying to build something here and those above me are actively working against me. I appreciate that we won't all see eye to eye on this. For those that disagree with my actions here, I apologise and I thank you for the blood, sweat and tears you've shed for the team. For those that do agree with me, I may be signing you for Derby in July". 

 

I read that in Cloughie’s voice for some reason. Maybe because of Derby.

Or have you got a cold?

Edited 3 hours ago by Mike E

[Mike E]

7 minutes ago, neophox said:

If we want a push for the playoffs. If we somehow can persuade Steve Cooper to come I would give him the £500.000 collected from Eustace transfer as a bonus if he gets us to the Premier League.

Nonsense talk. That £500k has probably already vanished up some nostrils.

[Old Codger]

45 minutes ago, M_B said:

It does make me wonder if our  form falling off a cliff, and his heart obviously not being in the job whilst applying for anything going, are somehow linked.

The injuries haven't helped, tbf, but of course there is a direct comparison between the drop off in form this year under JE and a similar pattern under JDT. No doubt the matters have taken some weeks to come to a head, and the likelihood is that the bad blood started well in advance of the inevitable parting of the ways. It just seems so mindnumbingly obvious though that actually supporting the manager for once might actually produce a different outcome, and a positive one at that.

Unbelievable that lightening should strike twice. Hurt me once, poor me. Hurt me twice, shame on you. Hurt me three times? AND I WILL RIP OFF YOUR HEAD AND SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK!

[Atko's Engine]

12 minutes ago, neophox said:

If we want a push for the playoffs. If we somehow can persuade Steve Cooper to come I would give him the £500.000 collected from Eustace transfer as a bonus if he gets us to the Premier League.

He'll probably lose more than that in his pay off from Leicester.

[Wegerleswiggle]

Where's that 500k gone? 

[...]

9 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Pitch me an idea…😉

Fan views. 

Die hard supporter

40+ season ticket holder

1st full seasoner

Walk on fan

And a stay away fan until venkys leave. 

Be interested to see a bunch of questions directed at each one

[roverandout]

2 minutes ago, Wegerleswiggle said:

Where's that 500k gone? 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I read that in Cloughie’s voice for some reason. Maybe because of Derby.

Or have you got a cold?

It reminds me of one engineering place I worked at. The inspection and marking out guys thought they should have a pay rise given the nature of the work they were doing. So they elect a senior guy as the spokesman and he goes upstairs to negotiate the rise.

An hour later he comes down and says - “ Sorry lads, the management won’t budge on  the wage issue. By the way I start as your foreman on Monday. “

True story.

 

 

 

[Herbie6590]

9 minutes ago, ... said:

Fan views. 

Die hard supporter

40+ season ticket holder

1st full seasoner

Walk on fan

And a stay away fan until venkys leave. 

Be interested to see a bunch of questions directed at each one

@StubbsUK this…👆does it overlap with your idea? 

[Penwortham Blue]

35 minutes ago, roverandout said:

There are actually posters on Facebook who are saying Waggott is doing a good job because he's brought millions in and that venkys have learned from their mistakes.  Ffs I give up. We're truly in the shit when our own supporters are so fucking blind.  We've no chance of getting our club back. We're truly up shit creek with no paddle

The vast majority of these LT and Facebook folk are Dingles and taking great pleasure in winding us up. Better to stay on here, where 95% of folk are fully aligned and bleed blue and white.

[Herbie6590]

1 minute ago, Penwortham Blue said:

The vast majority of these LT and Facebook folk are Dingles and taking great pleasure in winding us up. Better to stay on here, where 95% of folk are fully aligned and bleed blue and white.

“FIND THE 5%…” 😆

[Penwortham Blue]

1 hour ago, SuperBrfc said:

Simon Jordan's whole basis for blaming Eustace is underpinned by two of his own bugbears when he was a club owner:

1) Gratitude

2) Entitlement

He's always harping on about managers and players needing to be grateful. "Be grateful" (sounds familiar). In this instance, he has both today and yesterday reiterated that "Eustace should be grateful to Blackburn for giving him an opportunity".

This is a generic point made by Jordan who knows NOTHING about what has gone on here over the past 14 years. If he had any clue how this lot operate, he would not be calling Eustace out on the basis of gratitude.

Secondly, he's often laying into players and managers for being 'entitled'. Doesn't matter which club or player it is, he has done this multiple times. Again, he has personal scars from his club ownership days, which he is, IMO, wrongly applying to Eustace based on nothing but "my nose says".

He is making out, based on nothing but a guess, that Eustace got too big for his boots, didn't get what he wanted and therefore scarpered.

These views are a problem in our cause to have the Rovers fans unite against the real issue. Why? Because there are already some Rovers fans that have listened to Jordan's views who have decided he must be right because he was a former club owner. He knows better than us, therefore Eustace is an ungrateful snake.

His views are based on nothing but his "nose for these things". He needs to stfu and stop applying his own personal grievances with players/managers from yesteryear into this matter. He's unintentionally feeding the anti Eustace narrative and backing the owners.

He hasn't got a clue what has been going on at Rovers since late 2010.

Good post, I said the same yesterday. He will always draw on his owner experience, which took him to bankruptcy and is paid to provide a contrarian view, whatever the topic. He hasn’t got a clue about the 15 year backdrop to this at Blackburn Rovers, indeed he didn’t even really want to taken on board the coincidence of two aspiring and ambitious managers leaving within 12 months.

[superniko]

2 hours ago, miqaayil said:

maybe they want to announce with replacement 

Wouldn't it be up to Derby to announce it though? They're not waiting around for us to get a replacement before confirming themselves.

[Herbie6590]

https://www.brfcs.com/articles/what-is-going-on/2139

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[Polky]

 

[SuperBrfc]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

Good to hear from Richard Dinnis again. A top co-commentator for Rovers games on Radio Lancs back in the day.

Both make fair points there. There's no reason why we can't make it back to the Prem. The size of our crowds is not a sticking point, like some try to do us down with. We just need investment. As both of them suggest.

[Paul Mellelieu]

https://x.com/bigfellabeaty/status/1889369692499747061

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I've been waiting for you to something similar to me since Yesterday. 

The problem with your post is that you don't mentioned that Eustace was promised the £5m in the summer that GB tried to buy McGuire with in previous winter window when being offered the job and negotiations to become our next head coach. 

Then factoring in that GB and Kimberley plus other recruitment staff left before the summer. We appointed John Park, Rudy Gestede and Adam Owen into 3 different roles but all having a say into transfers and who we targets and possible targets during the summer. From what we know we had a transfer committee deciding who we went for during the summer, so normally and naturally you different opinions, different targets suggestions, disagreements and comparisons needed which is what we witnessed all the summer. No way, did Eustace wants or suggest Ohashi or Gueye or Toth as transfer targets but I think its safe to say that Batth, Weimann and Cantwell were his targets. Its clear to see Eustace wanted Dembele or Stansfield but gone neither. As I said, I think we witness a power struggle as such between Eustace and Park vs Gestede and Owen in the summer over signings. Both sides have successes and failures.  Just to add that if me and you were in charge of making signings we would have different targets and spend the money so comparison and agreement will always need to happen just like Klopp did when he wanted Julian Brandt but his recruitment staff wanted and suggested Mo Salah. They convince Klopp to backed their judgement and Liverpool signed Mo Salah and looked at the success he been. 

Moving on to the January transfer window, Thinks its clear Eustace wanted Rovers to spend money and early in the window. We know he had his transfer targets for the number 9 position which was McBurnie, Bamford and Thomas-Asante. He expected Rovers management back him and signed one of those. We didn't. Eustace is big on Championship experience and That's doesn't align with Rovers budget. Rovers did signed 5 players with experience of English football but all either loans or short term contracts. I don't think any apart from Sanderson was his choice, with that I think Karbgo, Dennis and Ribeiro all have more than decent games against Wolves. 

I also think Eustace was unhappy we didn't invest more of the Szmodics money in the either transfer window and also lack of contract renewals of key players like Hyam, Brittain, Tronstad and Travis. 

So in short didn't have a simple director of football/head coach structure but an over complicated structure with more voices than ever with 4 or 5 people involved 

Erm, ok.

To simplify. The more people involved at a dysfunctional club like ours, the more chance of conflict, disagreements and ineffiency. 

As an aside, that £5m promise is totally unfounded.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

@StubbsUK this…👆does it overlap with your idea? 

Could I be the ‘stay away’? Albeit I had a brief return for Bowyer’s final season, and gave up again post-Lambert (and then joined RT board in 2016).