Eustace…GONE

[Exiled_Rover]

12 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

I'm not making any mistake. Unlike you, I'm not fooliing myself he is leaving for any other reason than money. He's a grown up, he is making a commercial decision regarding his future. I fully understand. I'm not bitter in the slightest. 

But if it all goes tits up and you don't secure the bag, you can't come weasling back expecting the players to again respond to your 'all for one, one for all' repetitive twaddle.

The players are mature. Performances have proven that. Far too mature to fall for Eustace trying to worm his way back in spouting solidarity.

Make Travis and Tronstad joint player managers. That would please everyone. Everyone apart from.......

Of course he's leaving for money - our owners refuse to spend any, which is why we've had such bad transfer windows recently and most players contracts have less than 18 months left on them.

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

Would you trust Waggott and Pasha? I wouldn’t. Eustace has sent a clear message to his team — get out, this lot have no aspirations to be a successful football club. 

I wouldn't, but I wouldn't have in the first place. This was no secret. How they treated JDT, how they froze Mowbray out and didn't even discuss his contract, how they treated Berg or Appleton despite their incompetence, how they treated Bowyer...

It's a very long list. It was public knowledge.

Had I made that monumental of a mistake in selecting my job then I would have undoubtedly started looking for something else, but my public messaging would have been different and I'm not sure I would have left for another sinking ship. 

[J*B]

2 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I wouldn't, but I wouldn't have in the first place. This was no secret. How they treated JDT, how they froze Mowbray out and didn't even discuss his contract, how they treated Berg or Appleton despite their incompetence, how they treated Bowyer...

It's a very long list. It was public knowledge.

Had I made that monumental of a mistake in selecting my job then I would have undoubtedly started looking for something else, but my public messaging would have been different and I'm not sure I would have left for another sinking ship. 

But his reputation has increased tenfold by coming here. He’s left with us in the top six. He clearly thinks we’re going to tank down the league now — you’d assume, because recruitment was poor. So he’s got out at the perfect time. He also clearly thinks he can save Derby (they’re no longer in the relegation zone) and in one summer transfer window he will be able to put them into a better position than Rovers. And frankly, I think he’s probably right. 

[roversfan99]

The public statement yesterday was a stroke of genius to be fair. The last 24 hours have seen a lot more anti Eustace stuff off the back of it.

I certainly dont wish him any success but equally I totally understand why he is going. He shouldnt be a focus of the attention.

[roversfan99]

People seem to get off throwing rubbish in at times like these.

[Eddie]

7 minutes ago, J*B said:

But his reputation has increased tenfold by coming here. He’s left with us in the top six. He clearly thinks we’re going to tank down the league now — you’d assume, because recruitment was poor. So he’s got out at the perfect time. He also clearly thinks he can save Derby (they’re no longer in the relegation zone) and in one summer transfer window he will be able to put them into a better position than Rovers. And frankly, I think he’s probably right. 

They're only out of the drop zone on goal difference and they've played 2 more games than all the sides below them, and more games than the sides immediately above them.

They're in real trouble. 

Any boost that his spell here has given his reputation (and I think we vastly overrate it because we follow it on a daily basis) will be undone by a relegation. 

[Exiled_Rover]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The public statement yesterday was a stroke of genius to be fair. The last 24 hours have seen a lot more anti Eustace stuff off the back of it.

I certainly dont wish him any success but equally I totally understand why he is going. He shouldnt be a focus of the attention.

That public statement is why my seat will now be empty in the Jack Walker Stand.

It was beyond amateurish. I found it embarrassing and insulting.

[Ghost7]

A few things we already knew have been well proven in the past few days... Rovers are one of the most badly ran clubs in the country and Simon Jordan is an absolute plant pot.

[StubbsUK]

7 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

@StubbsUK this…👆does it overlap with your idea? 

Yeah, it’s a venn diagram of sorts. Like you said, probably not the time to start it though!

[Ghost7]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

That public statement is why my seat will now be empty in the Jack Walker Stand.

It was beyond amateurish. I found it embarrassing and insulting.

 

Completely agree, I'm a season ticket holder so I do "back the lads" but I can tell you as an absolute fact, one thing that gets teams into the Premier League (and arguably the only thing) ISN'T a full crowd, it's a well ran football club by connected owners and in my opinion the club have to get themselves in order first. Which will be in many, many years time... when Venky's are gone.

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Wow, I didn't realise how close to events you must be! Or did you just make all that up?

Surely a rhetorical question

[Silas]

1 hour ago, J*B said:

 I’d engineer a move away too. 

 

1 hour ago, J*B said:

Again, I’d do the same, I agree with him. 

 

24 minutes ago, J*B said:

And frankly, I think he’s probably right. 

But would you have taken the job in the first place?

Would you have gone to the basket case club originally when it was so obvious the regime you'd be working under?

Would you have continued after last summer if the promises were already broken and writing was on the wall?

Not sure you answer yes to all those questions, and if not, you're not a John Eustace. So, just agreeing with his final decision, (which came about as a result of a series of historic decisions to end up on this path), doesn't necessarily absolve him no. 

[JBiz]

53 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The public statement yesterday was a stroke of genius to be fair. The last 24 hours have seen a lot more anti Eustace stuff off the back of it.

I certainly dont wish him any success but equally I totally understand why he is going. He shouldnt be a focus of the attention.

Business spectacles on - applying for jobs, and those comments on bbc Sunday…

It’s not a one way street.

19 minutes ago, Silas said:

 

 

But would you have taken the job in the first place?

Would you have gone to the basket case club originally when it was so obvious the regime you'd be working under?

Would you have continued after last summer if the promises were already broken and writing was on the wall?

Not sure you answer yes to all those questions, and if not, you're not a John Eustace. So, just agreeing with his final decision, (which came about as a result of a series of historic decisions to end up on this path), doesn't necessarily absolve him no. 

These lads know what they’re getting into.

It would also be career suicide to just jump without a net, that’s the point of agents, his stock is probably as good as it’s been right now.

It’s the engineering that gets me. At least JDT did it on the radio, JE has done it whilst preaching family, it just doesn’t sit well.

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

People seem to get off throwing rubbish in at times like these.

Love our captain btw 

[Upside Down]

33 minutes ago, Silas said:

 

 

But would you have taken the job in the first place?

Would you have gone to the basket case club originally when it was so obvious the regime you'd be working under?

Would you have continued after last summer if the promises were already broken and writing was on the wall?

Not sure you answer yes to all those questions, and if not, you're not a John Eustace. So, just agreeing with his final decision, (which came about as a result of a series of historic decisions to end up on this path), doesn't necessarily absolve him no. 

Would you stay out of work even if there were opportunities around or would you take what you can get until something better came along?

This isn't about Eustace anyway, it's about venkys and the fact  that this has happened twice in the space of a year.

[Old Codger]

4 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto Mk2 said:

He didn’t just speak about togetherness, he droned on about it in every single interview for a whole year, it was his mantra. Upping sticks with 15 games to go and surely denting the players’ chances of reaching the Premier League shows he wasn’t in this together with them at all. Togetherness implies self-sacrifice for the good of the group, he’s put his needs ahead of those of the group, irrespective of the many good reasons he had to be pissed off. Good luck to him preaching togetherness to the Derby dressing room.

It did work though, didn't it? Pre-JE, what was the connection like between the team and the long-suffering fans? Pretty weak, is what I recall. Under JE there was much more of a feeling of togetherness, despite his 'droning on' as you put it, and this is partly how he managed to get some extraordinary results from a pretty ordinary bunch of players.

I wonder will the next chump drone on, or whether we will return to the days of the players not being able to get of the pitch quick enough? I certainly know which approach I prefer and which endears me to my team despite their obvious shortcomings in some games, as a fan..

Anyway, who cares? JE has gone, and the cancerous thieving lying conniving dishonest spin-doctoring mealy-mouthed faceless spineless bog-eyed shysters remain. 

Rinse and repeat, methinks..

Night night oh gullible folk that we are.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

I might, but then I'd change my public tune.

I've worked for bosses who I didn't like or trust. I didn't quit, I needed a job, but I also knew I had a responsibility to my team and certainly didn't mislead people when it came to my intentions. 

That’s exactly what he did. He worked for a boss he didn’t like or trust. He didn’t quit, because he needed a job, and kept his responsibility to his team (even going to bat for them on their contracts).

I also don’t think he has misled anyone as to his intentions, unless you believe he’d have been better telling everyone that ‘if another club wants me I’ll look at it and give you one last chance to hold your promise to me and leave if you do not.’

He did everything you claim as the right thing to do.

[Eddie]

37 minutes ago, Mike E said:

That’s exactly what he did. He worked for a boss he didn’t like or trust. He didn’t quit, because he needed a job, and kept his responsibility to his team (even going to bat for them on their contracts).

I also don’t think he has misled anyone as to his intentions, unless you believe he’d have been better telling everyone that ‘if another club wants me I’ll look at it and give you one last chance to hold your promise to me and leave if you do not.’

He did everything you claim as the right thing to do.

No, he took a job with a very known quantity because he needed the job and the money. Then he supposedly decided that he wanted to go elsewhere, but, instead of resigning, threw his hat in the ring for several jobs and then tried to leverage one of those jobs as soon as he got a bite. 

We'll get some hardos on here asking me for my sources, but the timeline and delays make it clear that he probably would have stayed had the club turned up on Monday morning with a new contract and some empty promises.

He had a chance to either start to expose the club for what it was (like JDT) or to shut up and get on with his job. He chose neither. He even talked up some of the signings, had input into a couple of them (average at best), and publicly droned on about togetherness - all whilst flashing his eyes at anyone who even hinted at flirting with him. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Eddie

[Upside Down]

16 minutes ago, Eddie said:

No, he work took a job with a very known quantity because he needed the job and the money. Then he supposedly decided that he wanted to go elsewhere, but, instead of resigning, threw his hat in the ring for several jobs and then tried to leverage one of those jobs as soon as he got a bite. 

We'll get some hardos on here asking me for my sources, but the timeline and delays make it clear that he probably would have stayed had the club turned up on Monday morning with a new contract and some empty promises.

He had a chance to either start to expose the club for what it was (like JDT) or to shut up and get on with his job. He chose neither. He even talked up some of the signings, had input into a couple of them (average at best), and publicly droned on about togetherness - all whilst flashing his eyes at anyone who even hinted at flirting with him. 

Have you ever had a job before?

Because you come across like someone that has never worked at a company in their life.

Your take on this is quite detached from not just the football world but the working world in general.

[Eddie]

9 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Have you ever had a job before?

Because you come across like someone that has never worked at a company in their life.

Your take on this is quite detached from not just the football world but the working world in general.

Never been employed. Hoping for my first job by the time I know 40. Know anyone?

[RevidgeBlue]

25 minutes ago, Eddie said:

We'll get some hardos on here asking me for my sources, but the timeline and delays make it clear that he probably would have stayed had the club turned up on Monday morning with a new contract and some empty promises.

Your dislike for Eustace practically from the moment he arrived has always been completely irrational.

He gave the Club a chance to retrieve the situation. Are you saying the Club SHOULDN'T have provided him with assurances about players' contracts and a new deal for himself?

And if they had provided those assurances and they turned out to be empty, that's their fault not Eustace's.

[Eddie]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Your dislike for Eustace practically from the moment he arrived has always been completely irrational.

He gave the Club a chance to retrieve the situation. Are you saying the Club SHOULDN'T have provided him with assurances about players' contracts and a new deal for himself?

And if they had provided those assurances and they turned out to be empty, that's their fault not Eustace's.

I'll say again.

I wasn't his biggest fan to begin with and I disliked how he contributed to the lowering of standards last season.

He won me over with what he achieved in the first half of this season and he should feel rightfully let down - although not surprised - by our transfer policy.

But that doesn't mean that he has the right to walk all over us on his way out of the door.

Some of the responses on here are like watching an abused wife say 'well, this one doesn't hit me, he only cheats on me'. Have some respect for the club. Not only do we deserve better owners, better CEOs, better leadership, but we also deserve better than a manager who turns his back on us after less than 12 months when the situation hasn't changed. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

I'm not making any mistake. Unlike you, I'm not fooliing myself he is leaving for any other reason than money. He's a grown up, he is making a commercial decision regarding his future. I fully understand. I'm not bitter in the slightest. 

But if it all goes tits up and you don't secure the bag, you can't come weasling back expecting the players to again respond to your 'all for one, one for all' repetitive twaddle.

The players are mature. Performances have proven that. Far too mature to fall for Eustace trying to worm his way back in spouting solidarity.

Make Travis and Tronstad joint player managers. That would please everyone. Everyone apart from.......

Have you had your head in the sand for the last 2 years? He may well be getting a slighter better salary at Derby but at the end of the day that wont be the main reason he is moving from a Club in 6th to one in 22nd. Which Im sure wouldnt have been his choice in ideal circumstances.

He's moving because the owners have ceased funding the Club, we have no particularly saleable assets left, those we do have cant get new contracts and he couldnt even get a contract extension for himself. Basically we look like a Club heading for sale or administration / liquidation at the end of the 2025/26 season.

Whilst I didnt think Mowbray should have got a new contract do you think Eustace should have turned a long team deal from Derby down and risked getting to the end of his deal in 15 months time in a similar position  not knowing  what was happening? If it was you, you wouldnt do that.

As for Travis and Tronstad as joint player managers you're obviously being facetious so I'll respond in kind. Wouldnt be against it - Tronstad might be better as a manager than.......

Edited 1 hour ago by RevidgeBlue