Eustace…he gone…*official*

[neophox]

Well like all Rovers transfers this is destined to take time....as our club secretary works from home it could take a bit time for all formalities....dont expect Eustace to take charge of Derby tonight..

[RTM08]

1 minute ago, roverandout said:

More like held the club back

I saw someone on facebook try to claim Mowbray had less money to spend than JDT and JE and my jaw hit the floor. I find it hard to believe some of them have eyeballs.

[neophox]

Mowbray did sign Brereton for 7m didnt he?

[Herbie6590]

Many of us on here cry out to know what’s going on behind closed doors. We want someone to stand up to the lunatics running the asylum. Distilling the last 24 hours press coverage, it seems Eustace probably was that man. Resigning only when he could see no chance of winning the war.

Don't think of this as football - think of it as employment.

Who amongst any of us would relish having to go to work every day in a toxic environment? Working for people you think are incompetent? People who promise often but deliver rarely? 
Which of us wouldn’t be seduced by an offer from a former employer promising the earth? 
 

Football is tribal. Employment isn’t. Eustace isn’t a Rovers fan. We are stuck with this lot. He isn’t…wasn’t.

[Polky]

 

[Herbie6590]

5 minutes ago, neophox said:

Well WBA had the choice of making an approach for Eustace but choosed Mowbray.

£500k cheaper…

[roverandout]

3 minutes ago, RTM08 said:

I saw someone on facebook try to claim Mowbray had less money to spend than JDT and JE and my jaw hit the floor. I find it hard to believe some of them have eyeballs.

They're total idiots. Can't stand reading anything they write but it's all over Facebook. This is why we'll never get rid of venkys because people can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. They'll always come out with 'he's gone now fuck him. We move on' I fucking despair at the dumbness of some rovers fans. We'll be stuck with the chicken pluckers for a long time because of morons like them

Edited February 11 by roverandout

[KentExile]

11 minutes ago, neophox said:

Mowbray did sign Brereton for 7m didnt he?

and Gallagher for £5M,

Armstrong was £1.5M- £2M

big wages on both of those above, + Downing, Holtby, Kaminski, Dacks 2nd contract (the one he signed whilst injured the first time)

wasn't Mulgrew also signed up to a bumper deal and then cast aside shortly afterwards?

Edited February 11 by KentExile

[SuperBrfc]

I'm not paying any attention to the "family reasons" thing that is out there regarding Eustace. IMO, it's being used as a cover story but many are running away with it to wrongly bash Eustace. Playing straight into the hands of the enemy.

"If he wants to be near his family, why did he take the Rovers job, he knew he'd be away from them, good riddance" etc.

To me, what Elliott Jackson's information from this morning shows is that, much like us here, Eustace had the hierarchy sussed as being useless early doors. He saw a pair of bluffers who had no idea, no ambition and who weren't going to get him what he needed. Like us, he had hope that John Park might be able to do something for him in the window, but then Park walked. Along with him went that hope. He then became desperate to get out but had a contract tying him down.

Let's not forget, the pair of bluffers attempted to renege on a previous agreement to allow him the McGuire money last summer. He was set to resign before they met him in the middle. This set the tone, though. He knew they weren't serious operators.

Whilst we post about it here, Eustace was in the thick of it, dealing with them regularly. We don't know what other kind of bullshit he may have had to put up with, but the fact is he was bound by a contract. Hence, IMO, his desperation to get out and him being linked with numerous jobs.

I don't see the latter as him being a traitor or disloyal or a 'snake'. It is not normal for a manager to be linked with all and sundry like Eustace was. There had to be a reason for that to keep on happening.

It only needs one minute of speaking with Pasha to know that he is a dud when it comes to football. He can't help anybody on a footballing front. I know this close hand from a regular fan.

The last 10 years show that he has not learnt the basics of football. He has no idea about player values, the need to reinvest, buying 'assets', the need to renew contracts etc and we are seeing all of this plain and clear.

If a regular fan can see Pasha as being useless in that role, then somebody as experienced within the game as JDT or Eustace will spot it instantly. It is not a surprise Eustace wanted out, as he could see what he was dealing with. He shouldn't be blamed for trying to leave, IMO.

This is a uniquely shit situation, a uniquely shit setup, where an ambitious manager stands no chance. Two managers have left in the same way now, both have named the bluffers either directly or indirectly upon leaving. None of this is a coincidence, in my view.

If this was a normal club with a normal Board, I would be partly blaming Eustace and would be angry about him looking elsewhere for the past few months. Under this regime though, I get it. I don't like it, but I absolutely get why he wanted out. Just like JDT, it became a desperate need to leave.

It's not a good look for all concerned, true, but I'm not blaming Eustace. He is not the enemy, just like JDT wasn't the enemy.

Most of us know where the problems lie, despite whatever PR bullshit certain hacks might put out.

[Penwortham Blue]

3 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

I'm not paying any attention to the "family reasons" thing that is out there regarding Eustace. IMO, it's being used as a cover story but many are running away with it to wrongly bash Eustace. Playing straight into the hands of the enemy.

"If he wants to be near his family, why did he take the Rovers job, he knew he'd be away from them, good riddance" etc.

To me, what Elliott Jackson's information from this morning shows is that, much like us here, Eustace had the hierarchy sussed as being useless early doors. He saw a pair of bluffers who had no idea, no ambition and who weren't going to get him what he needed. Like us, he had hope that John Park might be able to do something for him in the window, but then Park walked. Along with him went that hope. He then became desperate to get out but had a contract tying him down.

Let's not forget, the pair of bluffers attempted to renege on a previous agreement to allow him the McGuire money last summer. He was set to resign before they met him in the middle. This set the tone, though. He knew they weren't serious operators.

Whilst we post about it here, Eustace was in the thick of it, dealing with them regularly. We don't know what other kind of bullshit he may have had to put up with, but the fact is he was bound by a contract. Hence, IMO, his desperation to get out and him being linked with numerous jobs.

I don't see the latter as him being a traitor or disloyal or a 'snake'. It is not normal for a manager to be linked with all and sundry like Eustace was. There had to be a reason for that to keep on happening.

It only needs one minute of speaking with Pasha to know that he is a dud when it comes to football. He can't help anybody on a footballing front. I know this close hand from a regular fan.

The last 10 years show that he has not learnt the basics of football. He has no idea about player values, the need to reinvest, buying 'assets', the need to renew contracts etc and we are seeing all of this plain and clear.

If a regular fan can see Pasha as being useless in that role, then somebody as experienced within the game as JDT or Eustace will spot it instantly. It is not a surprise Eustace wanted out, as he could see what he was dealing with. He shouldn't be blamed for trying to leave, IMO.

This is a uniquely shit situation, a uniquely shit setup, where an ambitious manager stands no chance. Two managers have left in the same way now, both have named the bluffers either directly or indirectly upon leaving. None of this is a coincidence, in my view.

If this was a normal club with a normal Board, I would be partly blaming Eustace and would be angry about him looking elsewhere for the past few months. Under this regime though, I get it. I don't like it, but I absolutely get why he wanted out. Just like JDT, it became a desperate need to leave.

It's not a good look for all concerned, true, but I'm not blaming Eustace. He is not the enemy, just like JDT wasn't the enemy.

Most of us know where the problems lie, despite whatever PR bullshit certain hacks might put out.

Sport on, couldn’t agree more. The sooner the spotlight and heat is turned on Suhail Pasha, the sooner we have a chance of ridding him and his paymasters from our club.

[joey_big_nose]

45 minutes ago, booth said:

Three January transfer windows they've fucked up, and this one has led to the manager leaving.

Reading the articles I dont think it was the transfer window that did it really. While not brilliant it was better than recent efforts. And it sounded like he was interested in roles before the Jan window opened.

It was the lack of comms with the owners, the lack of a plan (not renewing key players contracts being a huge red flag), and confusion and poor quality individuals (Gestede) pushing out good quality (Park etc).

Edited February 11 by joey_big_nose

[martonrover]

4 hours ago, Ossydave said:

There's nothing to suggest another manager couldn't have kept us up though, again I reiterate I don't want Eustace to go, but I don't think he has the god-like qualities some are making out.

Sheffield Wednesday are almost a like for like comparison. They finished below us last season, they have probably invested a similar amount with Ugbo being their main signing of note. They sit 3 points behind us (for now).

Another good manager could've kept us up, yes, but he wasn't given the credit due, in my opinion.

We were in freefall when he took over and looked a relegation team all over.

Sheffield Wednesday are also fortunate to have a very good manager,

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

I'm not paying any attention to the "family reasons" thing that is out there regarding Eustace. IMO, it's being used as a cover story but many are running away with it to wrongly bash Eustace. Playing straight into the hands of the enemy.

"If he wants to be near his family, why did he take the Rovers job, he knew he'd be away from them, good riddance" etc.

To me, what Elliott Jackson's information from this morning shows is that, much like us here, Eustace had the hierarchy sussed as being useless early doors. He saw a pair of bluffers who had no idea, no ambition and who weren't going to get him what he needed. Like us, he had hope that John Park might be able to do something for him in the window, but then Park walked. Along with him went that hope. He then became desperate to get out but had a contract tying him down.

Let's not forget, the pair of bluffers attempted to renege on a previous agreement to allow him the McGuire money last summer. He was set to resign before they met him in the middle. This set the tone, though. He knew they weren't serious operators.

Whilst we post about it here, Eustace was in the thick of it, dealing with them regularly. We don't know what other kind of bullshit he may have had to put up with, but the fact is he was bound by a contract. Hence, IMO, his desperation to get out and him being linked with numerous jobs.

I don't see the latter as him being a traitor or disloyal or a 'snake'. It is not normal for a manager to be linked with all and sundry like Eustace was. There had to be a reason for that to keep on happening.

It only needs one minute of speaking with Pasha to know that he is a dud when it comes to football. He can't help anybody on a footballing front. I know this close hand from a regular fan.

The last 10 years show that he has not learnt the basics of football. He has no idea about player values, the need to reinvest, buying 'assets', the need to renew contracts etc and we are seeing all of this plain and clear.

If a regular fan can see Pasha as being useless in that role, then somebody as experienced within the game as JDT or Eustace will spot it instantly. It is not a surprise Eustace wanted out, as he could see what he was dealing with. He shouldn't be blamed for trying to leave, IMO.

This is a uniquely shit situation, a uniquely shit setup, where an ambitious manager stands no chance. Two managers have left in the same way now, both have named the bluffers either directly or indirectly upon leaving. None of this is a coincidence, in my view.

If this was a normal club with a normal Board, I would be partly blaming Eustace and would be angry about him looking elsewhere for the past few months. Under this regime though, I get it. I don't like it, but I absolutely get why he wanted out. Just like JDT, it became a desperate need to leave.

It's not a good look for all concerned, true, but I'm not blaming Eustace. He is not the enemy, just like JDT wasn't the enemy.

Most of us know where the problems lie, despite whatever PR bullshit certain hacks might put out.

Good post 

But it was Eustace himself who brought the being away from family line into it the media on  Sunday  

 

[martonrover]

10 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Like us, he had hope that John Park might be able to do something for him in the window, but then Park walked. Along with him went that hope

Agreed, I thought at the time that losing Park (again!) was a serious blow.

[DE.]

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Good post 

But it was Eustace himself who brought the being away from family line into it the media on  Sunday  

 

It's a go-to line for a lot of managers who decide to leave. Mowbray said it too. It's an easy sympathy line which sounds somewhat plausible if you don't bother thinking about it beyond surface level. Same as Eustace's lines about family, togetherness, etc. It's just basic manager spiel that almost every manager comes out with. It's hardly unique to him. 

All I cared about was how he represented the club and the results he got on the pitch. Everything else is just fluff. On the metrics that mattered, Eustace overachieved massively, and so losing him to a team in the relegation zone is a damning indictment on the club and the club alone. 

[neophox]

 

[neophox]

Just now, neophox said:

 

He says around 5,50 s that its the clubs decision regarding Siggy....

[Herbie6590]

10 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Good post 

But it was Eustace himself who brought the being away from family line into it the media on  Sunday  

 

“A Mr Savage on line one for you…putting him through…”

[islander200]

1 minute ago, DE. said:

It's a go-to line for a lot of managers who decide to leave. Mowbray said it too. It's an easy sympathy line which sounds somewhat plausible if you don't bother thinking about it beyond surface level. Same as Eustace's lines about family, togetherness, etc. It's just basic manager spiel that almost every manager comes out with. It's hardly unique to him. 

All I cared about was how he represented the club and the results he got on the pitch. Everything else is just fluff. On the metrics that mattered, Eustace overachieved massively, and so losing him to a team in the relegation zone is a damning indictment on the club and the club alone. 

Yeah it is and I'm not disputing it's on the owners and the board and we are poorly run

But for me at the moment this is not reflecting well on Eustace at all and he is shit on the group of players that he was calling family etc in near every interview when it's becoming apparent he was touting himself to other clubs for months now.

Wonder if he told Sanderson that he was itching for a move away when he convinced him to come here.

 

[Penwortham Blue]

3 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yeah it is and I'm not disputing it's on the owners and the board and we are poorly run

But for me at the moment this is not reflecting well on Eustace at all and he is shit on the group of players that he was calling family etc in near every interview when it's becoming apparent he was touting himself to other clubs for months now.

Wonder if he told Sanderson that he was itching for a move away when he convinced him to come here.

 

Everyone passionate about our club understands the background and where the real blame lies but, I agree, no one comes out of this well.

[Penwortham Blue]

18 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Another good manager could've kept us up, yes, but he wasn't given the credit due, in my opinion.

We were in freefall when he took over and looked a relegation team all over.

Sheffield Wednesday are also fortunate to have a very good manager,

I am really saddened by Eustace leaving, they had different ways but both JDT and Eustace were really good, young and aspirational managers. Statistically at least, we are currently in exactly the same free-fall form as when JDT left 12 months ago, 3 wins in twelve.

[Hullrover]

16 minutes ago, roverandout said:

They're total idiots. Can't stand reading anything they write but it's all over Facebook. This is why we'll never get rid of venkys because people can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. They'll always come out with 'he's gone now fuck him. We move on' I fucking despair at the dumbness of some rovers fans. We'll be stuck with the chicken pluckers for a long time because of morons like them

Doesn't help throwing insults at other fans if you want them to see your side of the argument (much of which I broadly agree with). A bit Trumpist if you ask me. Neither would boycotting games or walking out, as at the moment the players need our support (suggestion from others not necessarily you). In ground demos/gestures/banners might be a good idea, or protest marches as in the KeanOut era if anyone is prepared to organise them. Especially v Norwich which is another stupid KO time specially chosen for the millions (😂) of viewers in the far east AND India who want to watch a game between two mediocre Championship clubs neither of which have any players they have ever heard of.

[davulsukur]

More damning stats for our useless Overlords.

Get them out ASAP.

[DE.]

16 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yeah it is and I'm not disputing it's on the owners and the board and we are poorly run

But for me at the moment this is not reflecting well on Eustace at all and he is shit on the group of players that he was calling family etc in near every interview when it's becoming apparent he was touting himself to other clubs for months now.

Wonder if he told Sanderson that he was itching for a move away when he convinced him to come here.

 

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. The players know the club is shambolically run as well, so I can't imagine many of them begrudging Eustace getting out before things really go downhill (and this would have happened with or without him, our post-Christmas collapse is as inevitable as the sun setting). I don't think we were getting into the top six with Eustace, nor will we without him. 

So, at that point I can only be angry if I feel personally slighted by Eustace. I was never that attached to him to begin with - he'd only been here a year - and I loathe what the club has become under Venky's, so it's difficult for me to become emotional in any way over Eustace going. It's just more BS on top of the mountain of BS that's piled up since the day Venky's arrived. 

I mainly just look upon Eustace's departure with a detached resentment - entirely towards the clowns who have wrecked this club to the point where managers will be desperate to leave even if we're massively overachieving. The only part of this sorry saga that genuinely angered me was that pathetic statement the club put out. 

Edited February 11 by DE.

[martonrover]

5 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

I am really saddened by Eustace leaving, they had different ways but both JDT and Eustace were really good, young and aspirational managers. Statistically at least, we are currently in exactly the same free-fall form as when JDT left 12 months ago, 3 wins in twelve.

History is repeating itself.

The fact that Eustace has got us into this position without Szmodics and Wharton says much about his quality, and that of his assistants.

In a way I think he's doing us a favour by leaving now, and going to a club at the other end of the table.

The more sensible, well informed journalists, such as Henry Winter, are now highlighting the ownership again.

It's also opened more eyes of SOME of our remaining supporters.

The others are clearly beyond hope.