Eustace…he gone…*official*

[RTM08]

1 hour ago, superniko said:

Pompey 3-0 the other week.

Yeah we're shite away from home against rubbish promoted teams (don't think we've beaten one for 3 or 4 years away). But at home, against bottom of the league, who haven't won an away game all season and have conceeded 63 (!!!!) goals in 30 games, whose goal difference is 15 goals worse than the next team - if we're calling that 'tough' then we might as well give up.

Let's be honest, Pompey were robbed a bit by some pretty poor refereeing decisions - could have easily gone the other way. Get your overall ppint though.

[StHelensRover]

21 minutes ago, AVE1875 said:

Am I one of the only ones that is massively unimpressed with links to Gary O'Neil? A lot of fans seem quite positive towards him. One of my close mates is a big Wolves fan and he openly spoke about how he is one of the worst managers they have ever had (during his lifetime anyway).

I personally think he's sh*te and will be gutted if we appoint him.

He's a Sky and TalkSport darling which is why he's always so bigged up in the media.

 

Just read that after his permanent appointment at Bournemouth they went 8 games without a win and then just about stayed up - sh*te.

Edit - I think he was a bit unlucky at wolves, not financially backed, best players sold and some crap VAR decisions, but I am still highly unconvinced he knows anything about how to get a Championship club promoted. He was technically on the coaching staff when Bournemouth went up, but that was putting bibs and cones out, not managing.

Edited February 12 by StHelensRover

[AVE1875]

1 minute ago, StHelensRover said:

I personally think he's sh*te and will be gutted if we appoint him.

He's a Sky and TalkSport darling which is why he's always so bigged up in the media.

 

Just read that after his permanent appointment at Bournemouth they went 8 games without a win and then just about stayed up - sh*te.

I agree, I don't know how he has done anything to be highly tipped and regarding (again by the deluded) as you can see from the below stats but like you say, a Sky and TalkSport darling ... In comparison to JE's and Steve Cooper's. 

(Stats taken from transfermarkt.co.uk)

Managerial record of O'Neil: - 

John Eustace: - 

Steve Cooper: - 

[Leonard Venkhater]

13 hours ago, J*B said:

In which case he knew from the end of the summer window that it was being run terrible and we had recruited poorly, so instructed his agent to put him in the mix if opportunities came up. Again, I’d do the same, I agree with him. 

Agreed.

I heard a strong rumour that they broke an explicit promise about the Maguire money in the summer and that he offered to resign then. Blimey, his links to the PNE job were in August!

Meanwhile, all those comments about the Blackburn family and togetherness...

Edited February 12 by Leonard Venkhater

[AVE1875]

2 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Agreed.

I heard a strong rumour that they broke an explicit promise about the Maguire money in the summer and that he offered to resign then. Blimey, his links to the PNE job were in August!

I have also heard this, apparently promised to allocate JE 5 mill for his own signings which was there or there about what was being spent on McGuire. 

[Paul Mani]

7 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Agreed.

I heard a strong rumour that they broke an explicit promise about the Maguire money in the summer and that he offered to resign then. Blimey, his links to the PNE job were in August!

Meanwhile, all those comments about the Blackburn family and togetherness...

👀👍🏼

[Mike E]

4 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

No one is shifting blame. The owners have put the structure and finances into place to get us into 6th. They should have further gambled on this manager and trusted the process in January. It was a risk worth taking. Give him two or three quality Championship players and he would have stayed for 15 more games.

Eustace could have left in the summer with everyone's blessing. But his head has been turned. And the easiest way to do that is with an improved offer.

He tried to. And still dragged us up to the playoff places when he was forced to stay.

That’s not a man who gave up or even had his head turned. For him to perform like this, with THIS bunch of players while NOT MOTIVATED is a testament to his potential while here, and a damning indictment on Venkys or the club’s refusal to back him or any of the team.

[rog of the rovers]

Win % and Points per game stats shouldn't really be used for Gary O'Neil as all his managerial games have come in the Premier League.

Just as you should caveat Tony Mowbrays 61% win rate and 2.09 points per game numbers from the League One campaign.

Of the names muted, he (O'Neil) is the only one with any real top level credentials. He was mentioned in the Manager of the Year discussion in the Premier League as recently as last season. Then in the summer lost his best player, Pedro Neto, before a poor season with Wolverhampton Wanderers.

[Mike E]

Re: Gary O’Neil, just like when Eustace was appointed for me. A bit underwhelming but not terrible.

But that’s all anyone at the club wants: ‘Not terrible’. As such we end up nowhere.

[MarkBRFC]

Seems quite outspoken O'Neil.

One look at Pasha and he would think what the fuck is this place.

Suppose he could be desperate to get back in the game though, and it's not often you get a job at this level at this stage of the season when your not battling to stay in the division.

[Eddie]

7 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Can't help you there I'm afraid.

The people I know are looking for someone useful.

[AVE1875]

1 minute ago, Mike E said:

Re: Gary O’Neil, just like when Eustace was appointed for me. A bit underwhelming but not terrible.

But that’s all anyone at the club wants: ‘Not terrible’. As such we end up nowhere.

I don't disagree with those comments to be fair Mike ... But yes, still underwhelming.

6 minutes ago, rog of the rovers said:

Win % and Points per game stats shouldn't really be used for Gary O'Neil as all his managerial games have come in the Premier League.

Just as you should caveat Tony Mowbrays 61% win rate and 2.09 points per game numbers from the League One campaign.

Of the names muted, he (O'Neil) is the only one with any real top level credentials. He was mentioned in the Manager of the Year discussion in the Premier League as recently as last season. Then in the summer lost his best player, Pedro Neto, before a poor season with Wolverhampton Wanderers.

My point is, it isn't an appointment to be massively excited about; if he comes and does a good job then I will be ecstatic (for us as fans & the players, not the ownership!!), but let's hope that this doesn't dispel from the problems and they don't spin this off as a masterclass and the negativity gets forgotten about.

That being said, look at O'Neil's stats ... It is 100 games, 31 wins, 17 draws and 52 losses (I don't need to state the %'s it is of course obvious). Wolves aren't a bad side, I would say they are under performing, especially when they have players like Cunha yet they've been left in a relegation battle because of him... So if he couldn't do well with a relatively good side in the Prem among teams like Southampton, Ipswich, Leicester, Everton, Spurs (lol) and of course Man Utd (bigger lol) then what is he going to be able to do at Blackburn? 

[arbitro]

I find it a bit odd that there has been no official announcement by Derby yet about Eustace becoming their new manager. Sky said he was expected to be unveiled at Derby's match last night but as the evening wore on they said it wasn't going to happen then as there were some minor details to be sorted.

Hypothetically how strange would it be if the move didn't go through. Contractually I wonder how Eustace would stand with us as I guess technically he still works for us. Again hypothesising but I wonder if  Waggott et al fear that if they appoint another manager we might have to pay wages to him and Eustace. And they can kiss the £750k goodbye.

[Browjd]

Wonder if the focus on an abroad manager (as per Nicko) is because they may not know how dire the situation really is....

Edited February 12 by Browjd

[Groundhog]

Is it true he applied for the Preston job? If so it makes the statement about his family potentially a load of bollocks. 

[Herbie6590]

2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

So what's their end game? Rovers bumping around the bottom of L2?

I’ve absolutely no idea…🤷‍♂️

[moerpho]

All talks of closeness to family etc should never be uttered at Blackburn Rovers. Robbie Savage saw to that in his transfer from Birmingham. Laughed my ass off at that one, but always thought I would be furious if I were a Brum-fan…..untill they became Big Club:-D

(for those borne after 2000: check out what you can find on this transfer. Entertaining!)

[Upside Down]

8 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I find it a bit odd that there has been no official announcement by Derby yet about Eustace becoming their new manager. Sky said he was expected to be unveiled at Derby's match last night but as the evening wore on they said it wasn't going to happen then as there were some minor details to be sorted.

Hypothetically how strange would it be if the move didn't go through. Contractually I wonder how Eustace would stand with us as I guess technically he still works for us. Again hypothesising but I wonder if  Waggott et al fear that if they appoint another manager we might have to pay wages to him and Eustace. And they can kiss the £750k goodbye.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Rovers are dragging this out just to cause as much disruption as possible to prevent any kind of challenge on promotion.

[Herbie6590]

2 hours ago, superniko said:

Pompey 3-0 the other week.

Yeah we're shite away from home against rubbish promoted teams (don't think we've beaten one for 3 or 4 years away). But at home, against bottom of the league, who haven't won an away game all season and have conceeded 63 (!!!!) goals in 30 games, whose goal difference is 15 goals worse than the next team - if we're calling that 'tough' then we might as well give up.

16:51 on Saturday - KG - BBC Radio Lancs “Plymouth’s third came from a piece of sloppy defending on the edge of Rovers box when a sliced clearance fell to an unmarked…”

[chaddyrovers]

 

[arbitro]

10 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Rovers are dragging this out just to cause as much disruption as possible to prevent any kind of challenge on promotion.

Do you mean dragging a new appointment for us out?

[Herbie6590]

37 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Re: Gary O’Neil, just like when Eustace was appointed for me. A bit underwhelming but not terrible.

But that’s all anyone at the club wants: ‘Not terrible’. As such we end up nowhere.

You ever watched Chernobyl? 😉

[Cherry Blue]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is a club statement too much to ask??

Gutted!

 

[Exiled_Rover]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 I hope they're both on their way down the M6 as we speak. We don't need any of Eustace's disciples taking the team.

[wilba23]

It really is bewildering what the end game is from our feckless owners. If they wanted to continue putting the bare minimum in, with maybe a chance they can even make a profit, then surely going up and having the Premier League tv income, increased advertising streams and ticket sales would be a no-brainer.

Unless they really want the club to wash its own face and use the trading model to sustain us, in which case staying in this division or dropping down makes more sense as you're able to blood our academy youngsters in a less high pressure environment before selling them on after they've gained valuable first team experience - probably interspersed with experienced heads on cheap short term loans and contracts to ensure you could field a viable first 11. The problem with that is we need a decent number of the youngsters to be of reasonable quality to be able to sell for decent money. That wasn't the plan clearly under Eustace who seemed reluctant to play some of our highly rated kids so might be part of the reason they refused him an improved contract.

Someone else has mentioned on here it's unlikely to be for tax reasons why they keep us because you can't off-set debt from India to the UK, I think I have that right. Maybe then it is out of spite and all goes back to that snowball, they want us all to suffer and realise how big and powerful they are.

The whole thing's just incredibly depressing and must be what purgatory is like. It's the glimmer of hope our good first half of the season brought which pains the most.